Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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I do not hate you. I hate your false doctrines.
But I can't take credit for it. Jesus did it.
Has He done it for you too? All you have to do is ask Him, IF YOU WANT TO STOP SINNING. It is why He came. Study 1 John 3.
You just can't relate to them. That is because they are foolishness to the natural man.
Of course it doesn't what? What is "it"?
Do you want to go to heaven as a sinner? It doesn't work that way.
Our sins are eternally forgiven yet our flesh still sins in either thought, desire, word, deed or failing to do what is right.
You will waste your time trying to convince me your flesh no longer sins
I'm sorry if you are still in "the flesh." I hope you don't think "the flesh" is your physical body. That would be dumb. After all Paul said,
Romans 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Where in Australia do you live? Do you know where Toowoomba is? That is where my mother is from.
God already knows we are sinners. He doesn't have to upset himself by seeing it. He turns away from sin
You need a lesson on "the flesh." It is not our physical body, but our inner carnal nature. It is also called "the old man."
Romans 6:
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body (whole or catalogue, like the body of works of The Beatles) of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 lest sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
It is not enough that you can be free from sin; you must also know it scripturally, lest you believe, and keep listening to the lies that you can never be free from sin in the flesh. THEN you will keep sinning, like a dog who goes back to his own vomit. 2 Peter 2:18-22 "18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who [i]have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
God knows mankind are sinners. But Jesus came to TAKE AWAY our sin from our nature.
I went to church for 30 years before Jesus TOOK AWAY my sin from my nature. I went from an adulteress to a child of God in an instant. I've been free from lawless willful sin ever since. Then comes the long process of maturing all the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus does both in us as the Author and Finisher of our two faiths.
Romans 1:16-17 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Says you, the one who claims to have lived sinless for 2½ years. To echo your words : only God can judge the intents of the heart.
Says you, the one who is unable to go there again and live without sin.
And then preach to others to go there where you no longer can go yourself and if they don't they will end up in outer darkness!
Something is wrong, right ?
Actually, it's because your beliefs are not Biblical.
For example, Acts 13:38-39 makes it impossible for you to argue that John is saying it is the sins that can not be forgiven under the law and required death that born again people can't commit and which makes them sinless and perfect. Because of Christ there is no more sin unto death for those who believe in his sacrifice. All sins are forgiven in this New Covenant (except of course the sin of blasphemy of the Spirit). That's how we know what you say is false.
You are not sinless. You are sinning when you do not walk according to the fruit of the Spirit. That sin comes from your 'sarx', your flesh, the part of you that has yet to be redeemed.
You did not know that every time you use the phrase 'sin nature' you are referring to the sarx, which is the flesh.
Paul calls this counting yourself dead to sin.
11...you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Romans 6:11
The born again believer overcomes sin by believing the truth that sin no longer has dominion over you. You can only let it have dominion over you.
But now let's examine this truth in the light of what you said. If what you say is true, that Jesus taking away sin means you can't commit lawless sin anymore, how can a person let the sin that you say Jesus took away from them and which they cannot commit anymore have dominion over them?
Obviously, what you say 'Jesus taking away sin' means is not true. We still can commit lawlessness, and we must count ourselves dead to it so that it doesn't reign in our bodies.
Might this do?
1Jo 2:1-2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins…..
Guilt is expiated with genuine sincere repentance. (But not if we were to keep on sinning knowingly and deliberately, because God will not be mocked. Someone who keeps on wilfully sinning when they have it in their power not to is trampling on the blood of Christ and treating it as an unholy thing........they are not being sincere and God knows it and will not be made a fool of....He will not allow His grace to be abused.)
The bible says All things HAVE been put under the feet of Jesus, but we do not yet see all things put under Him. So there is a "yes, but not necessarily yet" to these things. Our old man HAS been crucified and yet we, or at least most of us, are still having to contend with our old man in some respect or other. Even though the devil was defeated at the cross, he still goes around seeking who he may devour.
The born again, miraculously saved apostle Paul whose whole life was consecrated to the Lord still testified that "In me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good thing." And this is why we need to undergo the chastisements of the Lord......to put the flesh under and take more ground with respect to our lives/hearts.....and even our fruitful branches the Lord prunes to make them more fruitful. Different people are given different gifts and graces in the beginning when they come to faith in Christ....I think no one of us should assume that everyone's experience is the same as ours.
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