Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

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1stCenturyLady

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you or he was sick sorry, but that is part of the addiction with porn. It turns into a sexual addiction,
It than sometimes takes on the alcohol part, and then when you get pompous you start the other
Then you have a husge mess by watching others struggle, not my personal struggle

Reed further to 1 John 1:9-10
I wasn't talking about porn. Are you talking about your previous addiction?

Why verses 9 and 10 in that order? 9 is being cleansed of all unrighteousness; and 10 is saying you were born sinless - a lie. In 1 John there is a Hebrew style of writing used that starts with verse 5 and contrasts with the next verses all the way to 10. The contrast is Light vs. Darkness. It is an EASTERN style of writing.

5. God is Light
6. Walk in Darkness
7. Walk in the Light
8. Say you have no sin (In Darkness)
9. Confess and be cleansed of all unrighteousness. (In other words, come to the Light)
10. If you say you haven't sinned. (In Darkness)

Many with western minds can't see it. They even think they have to always admit to being a sinner, when that is the opposite of Paul, also eastern, who told us to reckon ourselves free from sin, lest we sin. John is not telling a Christian to always say they are sinners, but the unsaved to BECOME Christians. Many westerners are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stupid, and won't study to make themselves approved. I get so sick of showing that Jesus took away our sin, only for someone stupid quoting 1 John 1:8. There was even one recently in this very thread.
 
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Many of my brothers and sisters have no wisdom....and they love to pretend. Perpetual novices.

Many of my brothers and sisters at least have had the milk, I doubt you have.

Core Biblical Requirements
    • Acknowledge Sin: Recognize that all people have sinned and fall short of God’s standard, leaving us in need of a Savior (Romans 3:23).
    • Believe in Jesus: Trust that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He died on the cross as the full payment for sins, and that He rose from the dead (John 3:16, Acts 16:31).
    • Repent of Sins: Turn away from a lifestyle of sin and turn toward God with a changed mind and heart (Acts 3:19, Luke 13:5).
    • Confess Jesus as Lord: Acknowledge publicly and personally that Jesus is Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9).
The milk.

Even Google knows.
 
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Our sins are eternally forgiven yet our flesh still sins in either thought, desire, word, deed or failing to do what is right.
You will waste your time trying to convince me your flesh no longer sins
Have you experienced being born again and filled with His Spirit. I wasn't for the first 30 years I went to church. The night I was baptized with the Holy Spirit and born again altogether, I had no more desire to sin. So why sin when you have no desire to sin, especially when you are in love with God and don't want to hurt Him.
 

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Might this do?

1Jo 2:1-2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins…..

Guilt is expiated with genuine sincere repentance. (But not if we were to keep on sinning knowingly and deliberately, because God will not be mocked. Someone who keeps on wilfully sinning when they have it in their power not to is trampling on the blood of Christ and treating it as an unholy thing........they are not being sincere and God knows it and will not be made a fool of....He will not allow His grace to be abused.)

The bible says All things HAVE been put under the feet of Jesus, but we do not yet see all things put under Him. So there is a "yes, but not necessarily yet" to these things. Our old man HAS been crucified and yet we, or at least most of us, are still having to contend with our old man in some respect or other. Even though the devil was defeated at the cross, he still goes around seeking who he may devour.

The born again, miraculously saved apostle Paul whose whole life was consecrated to the Lord still testified that "In me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good thing." And this is why we need to undergo the chastisements of the Lord......to put the flesh under and take more ground with respect to our lives/hearts.....and even our fruitful branches the Lord prunes to make them more fruitful. Different people are given different gifts and graces in the beginning when they come to faith in Christ....I think no one of us should assume that everyone's experience is the same as ours.
Yes, 1 John 2:4 is explaining what he meant in 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10. It is not a sin to agree that Jesus has cleansed us from all unrighteousness. The "sinners" in chapter one have a remedy in verse 9. They are not yet born again.

1 John 2:1b And if ANY MAN SIN - both saved and unsaved... It is the same sentiment of John 3:16. For God so loved the World..." Also, 1 John 1:9 is the same as Acts 2:38 on how to become a Christian. Once cleansed of all your past sins and are resurrected with a clean nature, you cannot sin willfully of sins of lawlessness, and try to use 1 John 1:9 as some "get out of hell free card." But you are not yet perfect and 1 John 1:7 is the main verse depicting a Christian. You see him walking in the Light, and those imperfections unintentionally committed from immature fruit of the Spirit are continuously being cleansed. But no willful sin will be forgiven after being born again, because you did it willfully when you had been given the power to abstain, and there is no more sacrifice for sin. Jesus already did that once and for all.
 

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1Jo 2:1-2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins…..
This is better because you can see it is the same a John 3:16, most people's first memory verse as a child.

1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
Guilt is expiated with genuine sincere repentance. (But not if we were to keep on sinning knowingly and deliberately, because God will not be mocked. Someone who keeps on wilfully sinning when they have it in their power not to is trampling on the blood of Christ and treating it as an unholy thing........they are not being sincere and God knows it and will not be made a fool of....He will not allow His grace to be abused.)
Yes, I agree.
The bible says All things HAVE been put under the feet of Jesus, but we do not yet see all things put under Him. So there is a "yes, but not necessarily yet" to these things. Our old man HAS been crucified and yet we, or at least most of us, are still having to contend with our old man in some respect or other. Even though the devil was defeated at the cross, he still goes around seeking who he may devour.
If you are Protestant then you probably have not been taught the two types of sin that God's people have known for about 3,500 years. The "old man" only had to do with the worst type of sin called sins unto death. In other words, they broke commandments of God and were stoned to death when under the Law. This type of sin should not be anything you have to contend with if you are born again. As I've told you I committed a sin unto death after having gone to church for 30 years. So you see, I'm living proof that there are many people committed to going to church who have never been born again. And they are who I target in my teachings. I think the greater the sin you were committing, the more you know when you've experienced being born again. For me it was like night and day. It was extreme.
The born again, miraculously saved apostle Paul whose whole life was consecrated to the Lord still testified that "In me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good thing." And this is why we need to undergo the chastisements of the Lord......to put the flesh under and take more ground with respect to our lives/hearts.....and even our fruitful branches the Lord prunes to make them more fruitful. Different people are given different gifts and graces in the beginning when they come to faith in Christ....I think no one of us should assume that everyone's experience is the same as ours.
No, you are wrong about Paul. Acts 23:21 ?Then Paul, looking earnestly at the council, said, “Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.” Liz, even when he was jailing Christians, he did it in good conscience. I'm sure you've wrote that because of someone preacher, or not knowing that Romans 7:14-25 was life under the Law of Moses in the Old Testament. Paul was most concerned that from what he was writing, someone would think he was saying there had been something wrong with God's Law when he had been under it. Paul also wrote this with the personal pronoun "I" like John writing "we" in 1 John 1. This eastern style of writing that the Apostles wrote in, can confuse the western mindset. And many false doctrines about sin have been taught by post-Apostlic church fathers, and the Reformation even went further with the corruption of the gospel and claiming "sin is sin." That is not true. God didn't change. But some of His laws did because they were fulfilled in Christ.

When he wrote Romans 7:18, He was an Apostle of Jesus Christ. He was not under the law anymore as he was as a Pharisee (which is what he was describing and writing to) as in the first verse of chapter 7, it was those who know the law and had lived under it before trusting in Jesus that he wanted to impress on them the importance of believing there was nothing wrong with God's law, but our sin nature that Jesus has crucified, and it has been raised again clean. Now the only sins we as born again human beings is our human nature filled with the Spirit of Christ who do not willfully sin as you said. 1 John 1:7 shows us that when born again of the Spirit we should now be walking in the light...and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. It should say, all sin that is left, for it does NOT cleanse sins unto death, now only sins not unto death we naturally commit unintentionally while Jesus finishes the work He started.