Sins in others

[aspen]

how do you react when you see personal sin in others? How are we supposed to handle it? What is the role of love in the process?

 

[Nancy]

how do you react when you see personal sin in others? How are we supposed to handle it? What is the roll of love in the process?

Are you talking about other Christians?

 

[Hidden In Him]

What is the roll of love in the process?

The "roll" of love? How about Red Velvet Cinnamon Rolls! Yum!
They do the trick for me, LoL!

Maybe it just involves correcting people gently, in considerate or even humorous ways (whenever possible). "Goes down" easier that way, LoL.
But you have to be careful. Some people don't like being teased, so it depends on the person.

 

[Enoch111]

how do you react when you see personal sin in others? How are we supposed to handle it? What is the roll of love in the process?

According to Scripture, Christians can only address sins in others who are within their local church or assembly. Every church in the Bible was an autonomous church with elders and deacons. However, all the Christians within that church were part of the same spiritual family.

So if a brother or sister were sinning, anyone within that church could approach them and try to put them back on track. With love, meaning you do not make excuses for them, or allow them to make excuses for themselves. Here is one very pertinent Scripture:

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19,20).

This corresponds to another passage in Hebrews 12:15,16: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

When it comes to someone who has sinned against you personally, then there is a distinct procedure which must be followed as given in Matthew 18:15-17:
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

 

[Nancy]

According to Scripture, Christians can only address sins in others who are within their local church or assembly. Every church in the Bible was an autonomous church with elders and deacons. However, all the Christians within that church were part of the same spiritual family.

So if a brother or sister were sinning, anyone within that church could approach them and try to put them back on track. With love, meaning you do not make excuses for them, or allow them to make excuses for themselves. Here is one very pertinent Scripture:

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19,20).

This corresponds to another passage in Hebrews 12:15,16: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

When it comes to someone who has sinned against you personally, then there is a distinct procedure which must be followed as given in Matthew 18:15-17:
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

What if the the brother who trespassed another brother attends a different local body? I've not too long ago had this happen to me. I was only able to take it so far and, as things were not "settled", I went to Romans 12:18 :
"If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all."

 

[aspen]

The "roll" of love? How about Red Velvet Cinnamon Rolls! Yum!
They do the trick for me, LoL!

Maybe it just involves correcting people gently, in considerate or even humorous ways (whenever possible). "Goes down" easier that way, LoL.
But you have to be careful. Some people don't like being teased, so it depends on the person.

Delicious!

 

[Enoch111]

What if the the brother who trespassed another brother attends a different local body?

Then, if the elders in the church of the offended party are doing their jobs, they would meet with the elders of the other church, and bring the matter to their attention. And if those elders are conscientious, they will address the matter with their offending church member, and try to resolve it. While this kind of situation is not discussed in the NT, it would be consistent with this passage:

Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the Word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation [manner of life]... Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. (Heb 13:7,17)

 

[aspen]

So here is how I see personal sin in others:

1. We can only see it in order to root out our own sin. If it is not within us in some form, we cannot register it as sin
2. When I see personal sin in others I seek it out within myself
3. Identified, I need to ask myself, “how can I love better?” If it is lying, like when I am watching Trump, I identify my own dishonesty and commit to honesty as a form of complete loving action.
4. With practice, and God grace, I am on a sanctification path

 

[Hidden In Him]

So here is how I see personal sin in others:

1. We can only see it in order to root out our own sin. If it is not within us in some form, we cannot register it as sin
2. When I see personal sin in others I seek it out within myself
3. Identified, I need to ask myself, “how can I love better?” If it is lying, like when I am watching Trump, I identify my own dishonesty and commit to honesty as a form of complete loving action.
4. With practice, and God grace, I am on a sanctification path

This is excellent (aside from the Trump thing, Lol).

Now, along the same lines as "how can I love better," I believe this attitude is what opens the door for God to reveal to you the sins of others so you can reach them. Those with a condemning attitude need not apply, as they will only make the sinner want to sin and/or reject God even more.

But yes, being humble enough to be ever looking at one's own sins is what qualifies you for ministry. Without it, we "lie against the truth" by presenting ourselves as being above others, and superior to them.

 

[Hidden In Him]

This is excellent (aside from the Trump thing, Lol).

Now, along the same lines as "how can I love better," I believe this attitude is what opens the door for God to reveal to you the sins of others so you can reach them. Those with a condemning attitude need not apply, as they will only make the sinner want to sin and/or reject God even more.

But yes, being humble enough to be ever looking at one's own sins is what qualifies you for ministry. Without it, we "lie against the truth" by presenting ourselves as being above others, and superior to them.

The "beam in your own eye" teaching comes to mind here.

 

[aspen]

I think you can almost thank a sinner for helping you root out your own sin!

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think you can almost thank a sinner for helping you root out your own sin!

Sometimes. You can also occasionally thank a sinner for bringing you to the brink of road rage.

 

[aspen]

Sometimes. You can also occasionally thank a sinner for bringing you to the brink of road rage.

That could be a thread. Road rage.

 

[Hidden In Him]

That could be a thread. Road rage.

Count me out, LoL.

 

[aspen]

Count me out, LoL.

Aw-oh.... are you a road rage-aholic? It’s ok, this is the sin thread, we are here to help!

 

[Hidden In Him]

Aw-oh.... are you a road rage-aholic? It’s ok, this is the sin thread, we are here to help!

I've gotten much better, but let's just say I don't want to talk about it, LoL.

 

[Mayflower]

Cleanse your hands you sinners!!!!! Purify your hearts you double minded!!!! Lol. :)

No. But I like Matthew 18. It is hard to go first to the brother/sister without talking about it first.

 

[farouk]

Cleanse your hands you sinners!!!!! Purify your hearts you double minded!!!! Lol. :)

No. But I like Matthew 18. It is hard to go first to the brother/sister without talking about it first.

Good verse there about not being double minded.

 

[prism]

When it comes to someone who has sinned against you personally, then there is a distinct procedure which must be followed as given in Matthew 18:15-17:
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Then, if the elders in the church of the offended party are doing their jobs, they would meet with the elders of the other church, and bring the matter to their attention. And if those elders are conscientious, they will address the matter with their offending church member, and try to resolve it. While this kind of situation is not discussed in the NT, it would be consistent with this passage:

Doesn't the 'elders' approach short circuit v.15?
It seems verse 15 is the first step regardless of the congregation they belong to.

 

[Enoch111]

Doesn't the 'elders' approach short circuit v.15?
It seems verse 15 is the first step regardless of the congregation they belong to.

My response was to two Christians in two different churches at odds with each other. Matthew 18 applies to one single church. Therefore there is no short circuit. That might be the only possible solution.