So, as one relatively new still, what's with the name calling, insults,pejoratives

[Mayflower]

Morning...you are so sweet....don't change.
There are people on the forum that talk about how we should live. I have...I have a thread called Grailhunter's Corner. Some People have issues preaching that we should do good for one another because they call that works and want to through water on applying Christianity to our lives... The Apostle James touched on this....doing good for one other will not get you to heaven, but doing good for one another is what a good Christian should be doing.

But consider this, some of what you are saying gets lost in practicality. Everyone....LOL....at least in this country....has freedom of religion....we still have it because there were those that were not so sweet and were willing to fight and die for it. It is common among sheep to put down those that fight. It is just the way it is, and it is not going to change.

Freedom of religion is expressed on this forum....some of those beliefs are not only evil but threaten the souls of others.
Now we also have the right to open a bank account and start a retirement savings. That does not mean you know that your bank is honest....you maybe lead to believe it is honest and saving are safe. You may save your whole life and in the end have nothing...all your bank statements just worth the paper it was written on. Now as your standing there realizing that all of your work and planning was for nothing. Would the thought occurred to you, that you wished someone would have told you if they knew. As you point out....How we live this inch in life....you are right...compared to eternity...this is a drop in a bucket, your retirement is a drop in a bucket.

When I am going nose to nose with the evils on this forum, I am not so much debating them, I am struggling with evil to save souls. The souls of others...the souls of the guests that are reading this forum. I think past my nose. I know what I am doing. Your probably secure in your heavenly reward....but there are people coming to this forum wanting to learn the Way to salvation. There maybe people coming to this forum living sinful lifestyles, wanting to change, and they will run into these OSAS people that will tell them....we are all filthy rags....all Christian are filthy rags....there is no hope of being good. So there is no reason to try....no reason to change....just believe in Christ and you are guaranteed heaven. Now when they wind up standing in the flames....do you think the thought would occur to them that they wished someone would have told them the truth.

It is wonderful to be sweet and non confrontational, God love your heart...but consider not coming down on those that are trying to save souls from hell. They are going that extra mile. They are willing to step out and risk being looked down on by the very people they are trying to protect...but again this is the norm....even in the big picture to....those that have fought and killed to protect your right to believe as you wish....they are not sheep....but they are the champions of God.

I guess I can see that... Sometimes it is easy to call someone a downright false teacher/false prophet. Other times it is hard to discern what the evil is and the sheepdogs from the ones intentionally dividing. Especially just hopping in on a page and skimming. I don't know if being too sweet is a problem, but I guess both the sweet ones and the swordsmen are needed.

I was born and raised in an OSAS believing church. I came to know Christ by Osas believers. It was years before believing someone could walk away from salvation or not be walking in salvation at all to begin with. It doesn't make it an evil teaching. I have never heard of Osas believing Christians as a free pass to get away with sin. It is out of love and gratefulness we freely can serve the King now. That is the whole difference between the OT and the NT. OT was you must. NT is you get too. Not because you have to fear losing it. True believers are going to want to live for God. That is true repentance of sin. "Change of mind" about sin, because it was bad enough Christ had to die for it. If Osas says do whatever you want, you are covered, that is a false teaching. But not all osas says that. What I was taught (and since have a few more ideas on salvation), is it is out of a grateful and repentant heart to obey God.

 

[marks]

used by some here who think to use that language best represents their understanding of scripture, and their relationship with Christ?

It's the flesh. Sometimes it shows. We need to take a clue.

When we start feeling . . . . well, we know what we get to feeling before we start getting sarcastic, insulting, sniping, those little jabs, that one-ups-man-ship, impatience, frustration, that's when to delete the post, and sit back for a moment of prayer.

And then there are those who use those tactics because all they are really trying to do is pervert the faith of true believers by any means they can.

Much love!

 

[Grailhunter]

I guess I can see that... Sometimes it is easy to call someone a downright false teacher/false prophet. Other times it is hard to discern what the evil is and the sheepdogs from the ones intentionally dividing. Especially just hopping in on a page and skimming. I don't know if being too sweet is a problem, but I guess both the sweet ones and the swordsmen are needed.

I was born and raised in an OSAS believing church. I came to know Christ by Osas believers. It was years before believing someone could walk away from salvation or not be walking in salvation at all to begin with. It doesn't make it an evil teaching. I have never heard of Osas believing Christians as a free pass to get away with sin. It is out of love and gratefulness we freely can serve the King now. That is the whole difference between the OT and the NT. OT was you must. NT is you get too. Not because you have to fear losing it. True believers are going to want to live for God. That is true repentance of sin. "Change of mind" about sin, because it was bad enough Christ had to die for it. If Osas says do whatever you want, you are covered, that is a false teaching. But not all osas says that. What I was taught (and since have a few more ideas on salvation), is it is out of a grateful and repentant heart to obey God.

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There are different types of OSAS and some it is just pointing out the security of salvation. For sure, for your average Christian, salvation is secure. Christ did not die for a failing plan. But the Bible does not say that Christianity is a religion of sin. Or that those homosexual lifestyles can go to heaven. Or that heaven will be full of evildoers...would you consider heaven a reward if it was full of the the most evil people that this world could produce. Would that be a religion that you would teach your children? Believe in Christ and we will all get to be with all the evil people in heaven. What would hell be for? Besides the fact that it is not biblical, besides the fact that it is an evil teaching, it just plain does not make any sense!

Stay sweet...stay innocent...their my favorites and Christ's best.

 

[marks]

2 Timothy 3:16

I think we correct error out of love. However, if we resort to using disparaging words, or seek to cut someone to the quick with insults, we aren't serving righteousness. But instead are displaying a fault in ourselves that needs correction.

I don't think we can correct others Exegesis, Soteriology, and so forth while displaying an unrighteous demeanor.

How to represent the prince of peace without talking like the prince of darkness.

We're human. A grace filled work in process.

Matthew 7:15-20 KJV
15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

People talk about "fruit inspectors", this is the one application that is correct. Those who claim to speak for God will be known by what is produced.

If division and anger, then that. If unity and peace, then that.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I think OSAS seems to draw conflict because no matter how many debates surround it, no matter how often supporting scriptures that affirm Salvation is a free irrevocable gift of God, and that those who are truly saved do not believe they can carry on in a worldly fallen sin filled life and still be saved, there remains an effort to deny all those truths that are grounded in scripture and insist the opposite is true.

I think there are those who wish to pervert the pure faith of believers, and engage in Christian forums for that purpose. And the OSAS debate is a fertile ground.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Sometimes sarcasm can't be helped. This thread isn't saying we must at all times be perfectly composed when speaking to one another in posts. If that is the message some infer, my apologies for not being more clear.

My purpose in this is with regard to a pattern of behaviors.

Always endeavoring to post with love is, I think, a great antidote to sarcasm.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Are you saying they did not have faith, And did not abandon it? Why are you ignoring the truth?

What a great example!

The first part, "Are you saying they did not have faith, and did not abandon it?" A question phrased to give emphasis to the Scriptural working, challenging someone's interpretation.

But then, the second part, "Why are you ignoring the truth?" The fairness of the first part to me becomes lose in the emptiness of the second part. Not empty of it's own meaning, but empty in terms of the discussion.

It's own meaning is there, of course, "My take on this is the truth, and you ignore truth!" And suddenly instead of discussing the topic we get to discuss YOU. Whomever this is directed against. And I say, against, not to, because these are against the person, their intent, their character, but mostly, as I see it, to bolster an argument through force.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Here is my concern though... I think so much time and effort is put into arguing the theology and pointing out false teachers, that these great theologians are not teaching on how to live an obedient and prosperous life in Christ Jesus. Jesus called people out, but He also taught the people the how. I think if the how was focused on, that would help believers more in the long run then the specifics in if it can be lost or not.

Mine too.

Partaking in our relationship with God will increase our discernment of false teachings.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I was attempting to be humorous. Sometimes my humor is too dry. Sorry.

I've learned to NEVER "Try" to be funny!

Nearly ALWAYS a fail!

Much love!

 

[Truman]

Aw, man! :)

 

[Grailhunter]

Marks is messing with you guys.

Meet Marks OSAS Junior.
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nor do I.
However, I'd ask if you have a problem with insults and condescension?

Yes I have a huge problem. I have placed people on ignore for that reason. People can disagree, even heatedly without resorting to insults and condescension.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes I have a huge problem. I have placed people on ignore for that reason. People can disagree, even heatedly without resorting to insults and condescension.

Did somebody leave the door open!
I think they are crawling in from next store
Another OSAS be sneaking in.
Do I need to by some bug spray?
Leave the innocent alone.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Did somebody leave the door open!
I think they are crawling in from next store
Another OSAS be sneaking in.
Do I need to by some bug spray?
Leave the innocent alone.

Maybe stop seeing OSAS person's as bugs.

 

[marks]

Marks is messing with you guys.

Meet Marks OSAS Junior.
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

Are you comparing me to the devil because I have a defective funny bone?

Much love!

 

[marks]

"Amazed@grace, post: 1021244", . . . used by some here who think to use that language best represents their understanding of scripture, and their relationship with Christ?

Those words, and the spirit that gives them thought, and "breath" on forums is that which we are to be on guard against in this world. Right?
Not giving it a platform in these forums.
Right?

Imagine Evangelizing like this:
"Yeah? Well, you're too stupid to know what the bible says do don't try to argue scripture with me! Grow up Moron! "

We're a little pocket on a web that covers the world.

We have no idea how many people are out there looking for a way to discover what it is like to live as Christians in community, communing, with the holy spirit.
Or, are looking to see if we walk the talk of Jesus by our example.

So, why does hostility, disrespect, insults, intentions to hurt one another's feelings, or belittle our faith, etc... enter in?


What's the church here have to say?

Thank you for reading.:)
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Just refreshing . . .

 

[GEN2REV]

And then there are those who use those tactics because all they are really trying to do is pervert the faith of true believers by any means they can.

Bingo!

Ding, ding, ding, ding!

 

[GEN2REV]

By far maam, this is the tamest place I post, most here are very considerate and cordial. I appreciate that this site actually lets you talk about God, most "religious" sites really does not want anyone posting there who represents Him. I am banned from most, and the only other one which still allows me to post has given me a few time outs. Yet as kind as I am to others, they kick me off for insulting others, while allowing them to say just about anything to me. Go figure! I am really happy to have found this site.

Very similar situation.

 

[Mayflower]

@Grailhunter I do not think calling people the devil and bugs needing "bug spray" is an effective way to win people to Christ or guard others against false teaching. I feel like it places you in the category of ignore for a lot of people and closes off discussion.

 

[TheslightestID]

I asked the OP early on what were some examples of what he is referring to, but as I recall, I got no answers, (I got no answers on more than one question I asked him) so, as far as I know, no one has done anything but be blunt towards them.

I personally would treat anyone teaching a false gospel the same, so one might say it is nothing personal. The question would be, at what point does the debate become personal, and is being personal in order to stop someone from leading people to hell necessarily a bad thing?

I don't think it is...whatever it takes.