So what happens to the old self that was in Adam?

[Peterlag]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual. The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

 

[marks]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual. The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

Aren't you still living in your flesh? That's the man born from Adam. The new creation is a new spirit being, the child of God. God is a Spirit, and Spirit gives birth to spirit. This spirit child of God still uses the Adamic creation flesh, corrupted by sin. Like driving a wrecked car. Some aren't as wrecked, and some are better drivers, still, we remain in these flesh bodies. And that's where we find the corruption of sin.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49 KJV
42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Shall indicates this is yet to come.

Much love!

 

[Peterlag]

Aren't you still living in your flesh? That's the man born from Adam. The new creation is a new spirit being, the child of God. God is a Spirit, and Spirit gives birth to spirit. This spirit child of God still uses the Adamic creation flesh, corrupted by sin. Like driving a wrecked car. Some aren't as wrecked, and some are better drivers, still, we remain in these flesh bodies. And that's where we find the corruption of sin.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49 KJV
42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Shall indicates this is yet to come.

Much love!

Your above verses say nothing about sin. It is written...

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

 

[jeffweeder]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual. The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

Why are the dead in Christ raised at his second coming?
Why are the living changed in a twinkling of an eye at his second coming?
Why do the dead and living in Jesus meet up together with Jesus when he descends at his second coming?

The dead and living in Jesus are changed at his second coming Bodily. The perishable/decaying bodies inherit the imperishable when he comes again having a body like his glorious body. When he appears we will be like him.

 

[jeffweeder]

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

How is that working for you? Are you trying to tell us that you have not sinned since you were born again of the Spirit???

Why are we encouraged as born believers to confess our sins to one another.?

 

[Peterlag]

How is that working for you? Are you trying to tell us that you have not sinned since you were born again of the Spirit???

Why are we encouraged as born believers to confess our sins to one another.?

Because you think 1 John was talking to Christians when he said we should confess. He was talking to the Gnostic folks who were around in his day who did not believe that they sinned.

 

[Peterlag]

Why are the dead in Christ raised at his second coming?
Why are the living changed in a twinkling of an eye at his second coming?
Why do the dead and living in Jesus meet up together with Jesus when he descends at his second coming?

The dead and living in Jesus are changed at his second coming Bodily. The perishable/decaying bodies inherit the imperishable when he comes again having a body like his glorious body. When he appears we will be like him.

Again nothing about sin in the above verses.

 

[jeffweeder]

Because you think 1 John was talking to Christians when he said we should confess. He was talking to the Gnostic folks who were around in his day who did not believe that they sinned.

That is not true.

He is clearly talking to us dear ones.

2 My little children (believers, dear ones), I am writing you these things so that you will not sin and violate God’s law. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate [who will intercede for us] with the Father: Jesus Christ the righteous [the upright, the just One, who conforms to the Father’s will in every way—purpose, thought, and action].

2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature—our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world.


When was the last time you sinned Peter?

 

[Angel Faith]

I read 1st and 2nd John referring to non-redeemed folk. The Nicolaitans, for instance. And those included in the warning in 2 John 1:7.

 

[Peterlag]

That is not true.

He is clearly talking to us dear ones.

2 My little children (believers, dear ones), I am writing you these things so that you will not sin and violate God’s law. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate [who will intercede for us] with the Father: Jesus Christ the righteous [the upright, the just One, who conforms to the Father’s will in every way—purpose, thought, and action].

2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature—our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world.


When was the last time you sinned Peter?

Peter has the same mindset as Paul when he writes in 1 Peter "that we, being dead to sins,..." Peter goes on to say that Christ suffered once for sins so as to bring us to God, and so this is why the Scripture reads "being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" Again, the old man crucified and the new man put in its place. Peter again, "ceased from sin;..." Put that mindset on or as Peter writes "arm yourself likewise with the same mind:" Because he that has suffered in the flesh or was crucified in the flesh has put on the new man because the other one is dead. That new person "hath ceased from sin;..."

A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called "Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.

I see this 1 John chapter 1 and 2 as we are either walking in our old dead nature if we are into sin. Or we are walking in the spirit if we are not into sin.

 

[Davy]

Because you think 1 John was talking to Christians when he said we should confess. He was talking to the Gnostic folks who were around in his day who did not believe that they sinned.

Oh yes, Apostle definitely WAS... talking to BELIEVERS ON CHRIST in 1 John 1. You're not going to skate out of that fact so easily.

A problem you obviously have, which can even be viewed as a type of sin, is absolutist legalism in interpreting God's Word. Those guilty of that often don't have the ability for abstract thinking needed to understand Lord Jesus' parables. They tend to make everything out to be literal in the absolute sense.

On this topic for example... in Luke 11 when Christ's Apostles asked Him how to pray, Jesus gave them to say the "Our Father Who art in heaven...", which teaches us to ASK FORGIVENESS of our sins!

And in Romans 7, Apostle Paul recognized the battle between his flesh vs. his spirit, that he was not able to always do what his spirit wanted, and often found himself doing just the opposite of what he sought out to do. Paul recognized the sin in our fleshy members. At the same time, he recognized his spirit wanting to follows the laws of God which is good. Basically, Paul recognized that while in the flesh, our flesh is still going to make us slip up at times and sin.

And it is for this reason that John gave the 1 John 1 Scripture which teaches the BELIEVER on Christ what to do when they do find they have slipped up and did a sin. We are to repent to Lord Jesus, asking Him forgiveness. And that ain't about our first belief on Christ either. It's actually one of the things all Christians are supposed to do during their Communion time with Jesus while remembering what He did for us upon His cross.

It is the FALSE 'once saved, always saved' religious movement that is pushing the fiasco that once we have believed on Jesus Christ that it is impossible for us to sin anymore. Those may very well be the ones Jesus was speaking about in Matthew 7 that at His future coming He will say to them, 'get away from Me, I never knew you that work iniquity.'

 

[Peterlag]

Oh yes, Apostle definitely WAS... talking to BELIEVERS ON CHRIST in 1 John 1. You're not going to skate out of that fact so easily.

A problem you obviously have, which can even be viewed as a type of sin, is absolutist legalism in interpreting God's Word. Those guilty of that often don't have the ability for abstract thinking needed to understand Lord Jesus' parables. They tend to make everything out to be literal in the absolute sense.

On this topic for example... in Luke 11 when Christ's Apostles asked Him how to pray, Jesus gave them to say the "Our Father Who art in heaven...", which teaches us to ASK FORGIVENESS of our sins!

And in Romans 7, Apostle Paul recognized the battle between his flesh vs. his spirit, that he was not able to always do what his spirit wanted, and often found himself doing just the opposite of what he sought out to do. Paul recognized the sin in our fleshy members. At the same time, he recognized his spirit wanting to follows the laws of God which is good. Basically, Paul recognized that while in the flesh, our flesh is still going to make us slip up at times and sin.

And it is for this reason that John gave the 1 John 1 Scripture which teaches the BELIEVER on Christ what to do when they do find they have slipped up and did a sin. We are to repent to Lord Jesus, asking Him forgiveness. And that ain't about our first belief on Christ either. It's actually one of the things all Christians are supposed to do during their Communion time with Jesus while remembering what He did for us upon His cross.

It is the FALSE 'once saved, always saved' religious movement that is pushing the fiasco that once we have believed on Jesus Christ that it is impossible for us to sin anymore. Those may very well be the ones Jesus was speaking about in Matthew 7 that at His future coming He will say to them, 'get away from Me, I never knew you that work iniquity.'

I disagree with everything you write above. I wrote a good friend about sin minutes ago and I will share it with you if you care to enjoy it...

The Greek word "hamartano" is used for the word "sin." Translated into English as "sin" which means to miss, failure, aberration from prescribed law or duty. Thus, considered not as an action, [as the Catholics taught us, who are the ones who defined the definition for us 1600 years ago] but as the quality of action, the evil principle from the actual transgression. If a canal by which water flows down to a place is considered pure. And then an influence comes into the water that has the idea of muddying the water. Then it's the defiling influence, the disturbance that has flowed upon the creation of God. There is no mud in what God created in Christ Jesus that was placed inside of our new nature. None. Thus, it's impossible for me to bring this mud forward when I'm in Christ.

 

[Davy]

I disagree with everything you write above. I wrote a good friend about sin minutes ago and I will share it with you if you care to enjoy it...

Well of course you would, especially if you are on the false OSAS doctrine of man. You kind of identified yourself with that group, because you reject that Apostle John was speaking to believing Christians in 1 John 1, which is gross error.

 

[Peterlag]

Well of course you would, especially if you are on the false OSAS doctrine of man. You kind of identified yourself with that group, because you reject that Apostle John was speaking to believing Christians in 1 John 1, which is gross error.

If John was talking to Christians to confess their sins? Then what do I do with these verses? Tear them out of my Bible?

How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

Most Christians still believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. And this is why they believe their sins are forgiven when they are born again up to that point, but must run to God to confess and repent their new sins every time they sin after becoming a Christian. The belief is that you will either be lost, or on your way to hell, or at the very least God will not fellowship with you, and He certainly will not answer your prayers if you are found with an unconfessed sin. Such a concept would mean everybody would be on their way to hell because there is not a person on this earth who does not have either a known or an unknown unconfessed sin. Now if this new sin just means the loss of a relationship with God, which would include unanswered prayers. Then God would not have a single person on this earth qualified to receive an answer to prayer or to be able to fellowship with Him. This idea that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual is believed by most because the churches teach that Christians still have a sin nature. They do not. It's destroyed after the spirit of Christ has come upon the Christian.

 

[Davy]

If John was talking to Christians to confess their sins? Then what do I do with these verses? Tear them out of my Bible?

There you go trying to deceive again with misinterpreting 1 John 1.

Brethren in Christ:
This guy is not going to listen to the Scriptures, and instead is more interested in pushing a false doctrine from men. So here's Apostle John speaking to those who had ALREADY BELIEVED on Lord Jesus Christ...

1 John 1
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

The subject John is speaking of is about the Apostle's witness of Lord Jesus, being with Him, and having actually touched with their hands after His resurrection. So WHO would John being speaking that to that would understand? the un-believer? No, of course not, but to the 'believer' on Christ Jesus.

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

John is simply remarking to other brethren by his Epistle how John and the other Apostles were direct witnesses of Christ Jesus, and desired to be believed by these other brethren of what they directly experienced. It is not a first time preaching to unbelievers.


5 This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Now John gets down to the nitty-gritty. It's about the 'walk' in Jesus Christ by The Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul covered this same 'walk' idea in Galatians 3. IF... we walk by The Spirit, then we are not under the law, and won't have sin. But IF... we walk by our flesh, then we are back under the law. And in Romans 7, Apostle Paul revealed how it is not possible to walk perfectly all the time, because of our fleshy members which is captive under sin.

But notice that John speaks of the Blood of Jesus Christ CLEANSING us from sin. For who? for those who have not yet believed on Jesus? or for those who have already... believed on Jesus, and at times, like Apostle Paul said, finding their flesh causing them to slip up at times? It's the latter John is pointing to.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV

In the prayer Lord Jesus told His Apostles to pray ("Our Father Who art in heaven...), Jesus included the asking of forgiveness of sins!

So like I said before, those on man's false OSAS doctrines might just be the ones in Matthew 7 that Jesus will say to get away from Him, ye that work iniquity, because it has to mean they did not maintain their 'walk' with Him, and instead went off on their own, thinking they were already made perfect in this world. But in reality, the devil has trapped those into a huge deception by getting them to disregard future sin, and refusing to 'repent' to Jesus and ask Him forgiveness.

 

[Peterlag]

There you go trying to deceive again with misinterpreting 1 John 1.

Brethren in Christ:
This guy is not going to listen to the Scriptures, and instead is more interested in pushing a false doctrine from men. So here's Apostle John speaking to those who had ALREADY BELIEVED on Lord Jesus Christ...

1 John 1
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

The subject John is speaking of is about the Apostle's witness of Lord Jesus, being with Him, and having actually touched with their hands after His resurrection. So WHO would John being speaking that to that would understand? the un-believer? No, of course not, but to the 'believer' on Christ Jesus.

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

John is simply remarking to other brethren by his Epistle how John and the other Apostles were direct witnesses of Christ Jesus, and desired to be believed by these other brethren of what they directly experienced. It is not a first time preaching to unbelievers.


5 This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Now John gets down to the nitty-gritty. It's about the 'walk' in Jesus Christ by The Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul covered this same 'walk' idea in Galatians 3. IF... we walk by The Spirit, then we are not under the law, and won't have sin. But IF... we walk by our flesh, then we are back under the law. And in Romans 7, Apostle Paul revealed how it is not possible to walk perfectly all the time, because of our fleshy members which is captive under sin.

But notice that John speaks of the Blood of Jesus Christ CLEANSING us from sin. For who? for those who have not yet believed on Jesus? or for those who have already... believed on Jesus, and at times, like Apostle Paul said, finding their flesh causing them to slip up at times? It's the latter John is pointing to.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV

In the prayer Lord Jesus told His Apostles to pray ("Our Father Who art in heaven...), Jesus included the asking of forgiveness of sins!

So like I said before, those on man's false OSAS doctrines might just be the ones in Matthew 7 that Jesus will say to get away from Him, ye that work iniquity, because it has to mean they did not maintain their 'walk' with Him, and instead went off on their own, thinking they were already made perfect in this world. But in reality, the devil has trapped those into a huge deception by getting them to disregard future sin, and refusing to 'repent' to Jesus and ask Him forgiveness.

A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called "Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.

I see this 1 John chapter 1 and 2 as we are either walking in our old dead nature if we are into sin. Or we are walking in the spirit if we are not into sin.

Chapter 1
6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
6. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
7. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
8. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
9. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
10. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

Chapter 2
1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
1. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
2. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."
3. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
4. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

5 "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him."
5. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
6. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

The last verse I'm going to mention has "in him" again. From 1 John we read "that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." We cannot sin in him because there's no sin in him and this is why "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

 

[Davy]

A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called "Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.

I see this 1 John chapter 1 and 2 as we are either walking in our old dead nature if we are into sin. Or we are walking in the spirit if we are not into sin.

Chapter 1
6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
6. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
7. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
8. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
9. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
10. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

Chapter 2
1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
1. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
2. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."
3. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
4. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

5 "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him."
5. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
6. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

The last verse I'm going to mention has "in him" again. From 1 John we read "that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." We cannot sin in him because there's no sin in him and this is why "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

BRETHREN:
It's still like I said, this guy isn't going to succumb to the actual Scripture understanding, but instead desires to push a lie from men that we cannot sin anymore after having believed on Jesus Christ. It is very clear that Apostle John was speaking to believing brethren in Christ in 1 John 1 even John is admonishing them to not sin even in the next chapter!

I see Peterlag's type of Bible interpretation error all the time, taking one little Scripture and trying to ISOLATE it from the rest of The Bible. One can easily do that, as that is done by the 'hireling' all the time whom Jesus did not call. The hireling preaches as a business, and lacks understanding in God's Word.

 

[Peterlag]

BRETHREN:
It's still like I said, this guy isn't going to succumb to the actual Scripture understanding, but instead desires to push a lie from men that we cannot sin anymore after having believed on Jesus Christ. It is very clear that Apostle John was speaking to believing brethren in Christ in 1 John 1 even John is admonishing them to not sin even in the next chapter!

I see Peterlag's type of Bible interpretation error all the time, taking one little Scripture and trying to ISOLATE it from the rest of The Bible. One can easily do that, as that is done by the 'hireling' all the time whom Jesus did not call. The hireling preaches as a business, and lacks understanding in God's Word.

It's not just me. I just Googled it and found many reports saying John was writing to a few different people. One report said if John was only writing to Christians then he was the greatest one to ever contradict himself while writing the same book. Google it for yourself and read a few of the better reports on this. It's not my fault I'm well read.

Here's one I just found in 2 seconds. They write... "John appears to have anticipated Gnosticisms development and threat to the health of the church and wrote to counteract its influence." Here's the link... John?s Response to Proto-Gnosticism in His First Epistle

 

[Peterlag]

It's not just me. I just Googled it and found many reports saying John was writing to a few different people. One report said if John was only writing to Christians then he was the greatest one to ever contradict himself while writing the same book. Google it for yourself and read a few of the better reports on this. It's not my fault I'm well read.

Here's one I just found in 2 seconds. They write... "John appears to have anticipated Gnosticisms development and threat to the health of the church and wrote to counteract its influence." Here's the link... John?s Response to Proto-Gnosticism in His First Epistle

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Aren't you still living in your flesh? That's the man born from Adam. The new creation is a new spirit being, the child of God. God is a Spirit, and Spirit gives birth to spirit. This spirit child of God still uses the Adamic creation flesh, corrupted by sin. Like driving a wrecked car. Some aren't as wrecked, and some are better drivers, still, we remain in these flesh bodies. And that's where we find the corruption of sin

I like your analogy of a wrecked car but at the same time I’m struggling to see it. I’m struggling because is it really the cells and skin covering this body (the meat and bones) that is wrecked …or the mind which steers the body
“Aren’t you still living in your flesh?” Makes me think of “we move and have our being in Him.” To clarify further consider “a flesh body” in regards to the church. Is “a flesh body” skin or a mind set of debates, strife, hatred, divisions and slander…that body of flesh with your question “aren’t you still living in your flesh”? Point is wrecked skin I do see in the mirror as it begins to age and wrinkle …I get there is more underneath like diseases, muscles and disk that deteriorate. But again is that the wreckage or the thoughts that dominated over (meat and bone)until worn out and just can’t go anymore..Out of gas? Yet He said the Lame leap …which oddly makes me think of John the Baptist leapt in the womb …
Luke 1:41-44 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit: [42] And she spoke out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. [43] And how is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? [44] For, lo, as soon as the voice of your salutation was heard in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.