John 1: 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. Exactly, as it is Jesus that Proverbs chapter eight describes. John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
(Not by him but John 1:3 Through him (or, in him) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight, Rejoicing always before him," (ASV) Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by his side, as a master workman: and I was his delight from day to day, playing before him at all times;" (BBE) Proverbs 8:30 "I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times;" (Douay - Rheims) Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was the craftsman by his side. I was a delight day by day, Always rejoicing before him," (WEB) Proverbs 8:30 "Then I am near Him, a workman, And I am a delight -- day by day. Rejoicing before Him at all times," (YLT)
Hebrews 1:3 ""The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." 100% true, and the powerful word that he sustained things with was his Fathre's word just as he exhibited to us when he came in the flesh, so completely living by God's Word that he was to us "The Word of God."
Paul says "For which of the angels did God EVER say.......,Hebrews 1:5" the obvious answer is--- to no angel did God ever say...., because Jesus was never an angel. (For those who say Jesus was an angel.) The dumb part of this logic is that it gives no reasoning why Paul should even consider in the first place whether it was ever an angel that was spoken to that way. It leaves Paul pulling that thought out of nothing. Silly, silly, silly. And I have not even yet told you yet how it is correctly understood. You don't even realize that this whole picture here painted is based on the power and authority behindf the human line of Judean Kings. So you stretch it to fit your silly desire for a Trinity.
In Hebrews 1:8 and 9, doesn't God call Jesus "God"? The answeris no, he does not. Your view has God talking to himself in a silly fashion. But worse it hides an important truth from those who are side-tracked buying into your belief with you.
Ridding out the evil tampering that was done to the verse by tares: Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says,
"God is your throne for ever and ever,
and (God's)righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy."
Above what companions? Above the earthly line of kings that sat on the same thrown as David. That is why God never spoke what he did to angels. He spoke it to that line of human kings and exalted Jesus above all of them.
Look at this silly logic. God is invisible. Jesus is God made visible. By your own description Jesus would only have been God made visible while in the flesh. You totally discount the scriptures you here go on to cite are speaking after he was no longer in the flesh.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 1:16-17 16For by (Greek "en", literally in) him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. In other words God his Father vested all things "in" him and what things are about to be brought back to is what they were always anyway. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Again your wisdom leaves you not seeing. No one that I know of even disputes this. Before Jesus came to earth in the flesh, didn't he exist in heaven with God, with the glorified body he returned to God with, after he ascended to heaven? See these scriptures:
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Silly, silly, silly.