Sound Doctrine (Second Coming of Christ in that generation.)

[3 Resurrections]

Those burning in Hell FOREVER will wish they were destroyed!

The wicked are NOT given eternal life - not even in an after life existence in your own personal interpretation of what "Hell" is. God is long-suffering, but He does not intend to allow His universe to be forever polluted by the continued perpetual existence of the wicked. Even the worst punishment under OT law did not include perpetual incarceration with continual flogging. God limited OT punishments to up to 40 stripes for offenses, or if it was a capital crime, they were stoned to death. God is not a sadist. He is just.

'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

God is the Source of that eternal fiery stream which issues forth from before His throne in Daniel 7. HE is eternal, but the wicked are NOT. They are CONSUMED by God the Source of that eternal fiery stream. God intended to burn up Satan to ashes on the earth to get rid of him. You can't get much deader than a heap of ashes.

 

[Jack]

The wicked are NOT given eternal life - not even in an after life existence in your own personal interpretation of what "Hell" is. God is long-suffering, but He does not intend to allow His universe to be forever polluted by the continued perpetual existence of the wicked. Even the worst punishment under OT law did not include perpetual incarceration with continual flogging. God limited OT punishments to up to 40 stripes for offenses, or if it was a capital crime, they were stoned to death. God is not a sadist. He is just.


God is the Source of that eternal fiery stream which issues forth from before His throne in Daniel 7. HE is eternal, but the wicked are NOT. They are CONSUMED by God the Source of that eternal fiery stream. God intended to burn up Satan to ashes on the earth to get rid of him. You can't get much deader than a heap of ashes.

Why are you ignoring Jesus, God of the Bible??? Are you JW???

 

[3 Resurrections]

Why are you ignoring Jesus, God of the Bible??? Are you JW???

I'm not "ignoring Jesus, God or the Bible". I am reading the Scripture accounts of what the fate of the wicked dead is, according to the entire book. And I have already said that I have no idea what the JW's teach regarding Hell. I have been Reformed Baptist, independent Baptist, and Southern Baptist, but I do not currently have ties to any denomination. What JW's teach is immaterial to me, since I have the Scriptures to tell me the fate God intended for the wicked dead, for Satan, and for the Scarlet Beast. The entire Satanic realm and all the three Beast characters are dead since AD 70, according to every bit of evidence found in Scripture. Find something else to be afraid of, because these are long-dead foes that God disposed of long ago.

 

[MatthewG]

Jack doesn’t care @3 Resurrections might as well just ignore him. I’ve talked to him off and on over the past couple years he doesn’t care he just gonna say something simple and walk away.

 

[Jack]

I'm not "ignoring Jesus, God or the Bible". I am reading the Scripture accounts of what the fate of the wicked dead is, according to the entire book. And I have already said that I have no idea what the JW's teach regarding Hell. I have been Reformed Baptist, independent Baptist, and Southern Baptist, but I do not currently have ties to any denomination. What JW's teach is immaterial to me, since I have the Scriptures to tell me the fate God intended for the wicked dead, for Satan, and for the Scarlet Beast. The entire Satanic realm and all the three Beast characters are dead since AD 70, according to every bit of evidence found in Scripture. Find something else to be afraid of, because these are long-dead foes that God disposed of long ago.

I don't know any Baptists that deny Hell!

 

[Jack]

Jack doesn’t care @3 Resurrections might as well just ignore him. I’ve talked to him off and on over the past couple years he doesn’t care he just gonna say something simple and walk away.

If I don't care why am I pulling people from the fire? Why aren't YOU pulling people from the fire as Jesus commanded??? Or are you just attacking us who are pulling people from the fire? Don't you care that BILLIONS will burn in Hell FOREVER???

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

3 Lines of scripture which conclude that generation of living people would be living and experience when the things Jesus spoke about would happen.

You getting the picture of what sound doctrine/teaching is yet?

You are not discerning the question that the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24.
Jesus begins to describe the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. But the deciples didn't just ask Him about that time, their question was a three-part question ( unbeknownst to them).
[“Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”]
1. When will these things happen? (So far the question referred to only prophecy of the Dmdestruction of the Temple).
2. What will be the sign of your coming? (when will you return)
3. When will the end of the age be?
Jesus then answered each part and adds more details to each time period.
His Second Coming has not yet occurred. The angels said when He ascended, that He would return in like manner. He hasn't yet and the events surrounding His return will be catastrophic to the entire world, not just a small town.
But His Secong Coming ushers in a Millennial Kingdom, yet still not the end of the ages.

Let's think about what the word, "age" means. A generation, a lifetime, an epoch of time. Example: the Christian Age. Nevertheless, age requires time.
Our physical concept of time is measured
in years (earth's revolutions around the sun): days (rotation of the earth on its axis); hours and minutes. When the 1st heavens (our atmosphere and physical universe) and the 1st earth is destroyed (as described in 2 Peter 3:10), a New Jerusalem, a replacement, a heavenly new earth of your will with no sun or moon or stars or nights or guess what else - TIME. Age will be no more. We will no longer count years or days, they will no longer exist, hence the end of the age happens at the destruction of the 1st heavens and 1st earth. And that has not happened yet!
I believe this New Jerusalem is heaven, a spiritual realm that currently exists now. What is it like? It looks just like earth, only it is perfect, brilliant, more colorful, peaceful, glorious, filled with love, void of sin or darkness ... filled with sound doctrine!
Capisce?

 

[3 Resurrections]

I don't know any Baptists that deny Hell!

Well, I have not said that I deny Hell - I just deny your own personal interpretation of what "Hell" is. "Hades" or "Sheol" both translated as "Hell" just means the grave, which all mankind just or unjust will experience by physically dying and returning to the dust from which we came. "Gehenna" is also translated "Hell" but it doesn't mean the grave - it meant the garbage dump outside Jerusalem's walls in the Hinnom Valley. The dead from AD 66-70 who passed away in Jerusalem by the thousands were tossed over the walls into this Hinnom Valley in those "days of vengeance" upon the people of Israel.

I deny that God destined the wicked dead for a perpetually tormented BBQ roast. By no stretch of the imagination can that be defined as "PERISHING", which Christ said is the fate of the wicked dead after the judgment - body and soul.

but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

Jude was not giving anybody credit for saving people from a perpetual fire which would you consider as lasting throughout eternity. This was a practical salvation for here on earth, in which believers could play a part in saving others from dire earthly consequences by helping them to convert from wicked activities of the day, such as the lascivious "doctrine of Balaam" which was seducing many of God's servants.

 

[Jack]

Well, I have not said that I deny Hell

Do you read your own posts? lol

- I just deny your own personal interpretation of what "Hell" is. "Hades" or "Sheol" both translated as "Hell" just means the grave, which all mankind just or unjust will experience by physically dying and returning to the dust from which we came. "Gehenna" is also translated "Hell" but it doesn't mean the grave - it meant the garbage dump outside Jerusalem's walls in the Hinnom Valley. The dead from AD 66-70 who passed away in Jerusalem by the thousands were tossed over the walls into this Hinnom Valley in those "days of vengeance" upon the people of Israel.

I deny that God destined the wicked dead for a perpetually tormented BBQ roast. By no stretch of the imagination can that be defined as "PERISHING", which Christ said is the fate of the wicked dead after the judgment - body and soul.

Jude was not giving anybody credit for saving people from a perpetual fire which would you consider as lasting throughout eternity. This was a practical salvation for here on earth, in which believers could play a part in saving others from dire earthly consequences by helping them to convert from wicked activities of the day, such as the lascivious "doctrine of Balaam" which was seducing many of God's servants.

Why do you keep evading the Scriptures??? Do you think Jesus was hallucinating when He warned us of Hell Fire, the EVERLASTING Fire, the Furnace of Fire, the Lake of Fire??? Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people there is no eternal fire where BILLIONS of humans will burn FOREVER with him!

 

[3 Resurrections]

Why do you keep evading the Scriptures??? Do you think Jesus was hallucinating when He warned us of Hell Fire, the EVERLASTING Fire, the Furnace of Fire, the Lake of Fire??? Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people there is no eternal fire where BILLIONS of humans will burn FOREVER with him!

Jesus warned His own generation about Gehenna. That was not the eternal state for the wicked dead He was talking about. It was the burning garbage dump of Jerusalem where all the dead bodies of those inside besieged Jerusalem were dumped by the thousands in those AD 66-70 years. You sound like someone who relishes torture. This is not the mind of Christ, or of God, who "has no pleasure in the death of the wicked", and has made no plans to perpetuate a tormented existence for them throughout eternity. The wicked as "chaff" are burned up and "consumed".

GOD is the origin of that fiery stream which continually issues forth from before His throne, as in Daniel 7. That fire represents His utter holiness, without which no man can see the Lord. Believe it or not, the prophet in Isaiah 33:14-18 told us that it is the righteous who will "dwell with everlasting burnings".

"...Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; HE shall dwell ON HIGH:...Thine eyes shall see the King in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off."

Personally, I can't wait to behold my King in His beauty on high in that land that is very far off, and to dwell with the devouring fire of utter holiness which comes from His throne. Those "everlasting burnings" cannot harm those who are covered with Christ's righteousness, thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift.

 

[MatthewG]

You are not discerning the question that the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24.
Jesus begins to describe the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. But the deciples didn't just ask Him about that time, their question was a three-part question ( unbeknownst to them).
[“Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”]
1. When will these things happen? (So far the question referred to only prophecy of the Dmdestruction of the Temple).
2. What will be the sign of your coming? (when will you return)
3. When will the end of the age be?
Jesus then answered each part and adds more details to each time period.
His Second Coming has not yet occurred. The angels said when He ascended, that He would return in like manner. He hasn't yet and the events surrounding His return will be catastrophic to the entire world, not just a small town.
But His Secong Coming ushers in a Millennial Kingdom, yet still not the end of the ages.

Let's think about what the word, "age" means. A generation, a lifetime, an epoch of time. Example: the Christian Age. Nevertheless, age requires time.
Our physical concept of time is measured
in years (earth's revolutions around the sun): days (rotation of the earth on its axis); hours and minutes. When the 1st heavens (our atmosphere and physical universe) and the 1st earth is destroyed (as described in 2 Peter 3:10), a New Jerusalem, a replacement, a heavenly new earth of your will with no sun or moon or stars or nights or guess what else - TIME. Age will be no more. We will no longer count years or days, they will no longer exist, hence the end of the age happens at the destruction of the 1st heavens and 1st earth. And that has not happened yet!
I believe this New Jerusalem is heaven, a spiritual realm that currently exists now. What is it like? It looks just like earth, only it is perfect, brilliant, more colorful, peaceful, glorious, filled with love, void of sin or darkness ... filled with sound doctrine!
Capisce?

I don’t know what the heavenly realm looks like.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I don’t know what the heavenly realm looks like.

People have had visions, dreams and have actually visited heaven and returned ( if you can believe that) and described it being just like beautiful scenes we see on earth - only perfect. They'veseen angels Jesus people and ĺloved ones ... What would you expect heaven would look like, people floating around on clouds playing the harp? Or some abstract reality where nothing is familiar to us at all? We go there and immediately feel comfortably at home.

 

[MatthewG]

People have had visions, dreams and have actually visited heaven and returned ( if you can believe that) and described it being just like beautiful scenes we see on earth - only perfect. They'veseen angels Jesus people and ĺloved ones ... What would you expect heaven would look like, people floating around on clouds playing the harp? Or some abstract reality where nothing is familiar to us at all? We go there and immediately feel comfortably at home.

I don’t know.