Sound Doctrine (Second Coming of Christ in that generation.)

[MatthewG]

The second coming of Jesus

Remember when I was a kid, Seven or eight years old When I go to bed at night The alarm clock at the head of the bed did not know why it fell to floor What I see was the slow motion of falling It's like watching pics frame by frame Not at normal speed Then the bed flew up on its own Because...

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Don't need.

 

[soberxp]

Whatever you want......I'm used to it.

Have faith or lose faith,

You choose and choice.

 

[MatthewG]

Ok.

 

[soberxp]

You never ever know the time,
No one really Knows, maybe already, maybe now, maybe will........

Even if someone else told you the true time.You will never ever know the time,

马太福音 24:44
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
所以，你们也要预备，因为你们想不到的时候，人子就来了。”

路加福音 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


Like the statement in my previous post, there's a reason.

 

[Jay Ross]

My question is why don’t you accept it and believe it that’s what Jesus said this generation won’t die until they see all these things happen. There’s some standing there today. They won’t die until they see Jesus Christ return all those things compile upon each other so I don’t know what your point is I’ve read the Bible and I know this much.

Can I suggest that the translations have hidden the Second Death from view.

What you are quoting state this, my paraphrase: - "There are some standing here today who will not taste the second death until they see Christ's return."

In other words, Christ said that even though they will die physically, when they are raised up to be judged, then they will experience the second death.

It seems to me that you have not meditated upon what the scriptures actually state.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Matthew, when we have the wrong understanding of the meaning of the Greek Word "Genea" we will arrive at the wrong conclusion. This is the same Greek Word used in the LXX in Genesis 15:16 which states, "But in the fourth generation/age, they shall return here," and in 1948 AD Abraham's descendants return during the fourth generation/age to the Land of Canaan, 4000 years after the birth of Isaac during the time period of 3,073 to 4,096 solar years which is the time spam of the fourth generation/age.

The last age is made up of a Summer Season of harvest with a duration of 1,000 years plus a 24 year Little While Period when the Bottomless pit is unlocked to release Satan and his fellow heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth before the return of Christ to judge all the people of the earth from the time of Adam up and until the end of the seventh age.

It is the forced understanding of the Greek Word, G:1074 by man that is making Jesus' statement a lie in our minds, but certainly not in the mind of Christ, he was talking about the duration of an age/generation and not about a descendant generational time period.

Hmmmm
Interesting.
Changes everything

 

[rebuilder 454]

Another problem I have is people just read certain verses over and over and over again, and they forget the audience the audience which Jesus had come and preach to, and the apostles had written to people forget that stuff eventually once they’re so obsessed with the things that they’re mostly obsessed with you know that can be various depending on the subject of the person subjectively what they believe personally. Which is all fine. People are allowed to have freedom and choose whatever they’re gonna believe and do whatever they’re gonna do and I have no control over that but what I do have control over is myself and what I believe is to be true faithfully without any proof. I know the temple was destroyed that’s historical. I don’t have proof of Jesus Christ coming back, however, considering all the text that’s in the gospel the apostolic record I would say that there’s a lot of encouraging for them to wait and be patient and wait on the Lord and I believe that when the great and dreadful day had come upon them, that was the day when Jews and Jen‘s house who were the faith who were the bride of Christ in the day were taken you wanna know why we don’t have no proof because they were gone in like a blink of an eye no one no one wrote. No one lived to tell about it. There’s so many people want proof just like the Pharisees want proof show us the sign lord show us a sign. Please show us a sign Lord and he only gave him the sign of Jonah and there’s other accounts where it says they didn’t leave them no sign

Nothing in history is written of the worldwide mark, millions of believers beheaded, flying scorpions, hailstones of fire, etc.

That alone is enough to cast down a doctrine claiming all that happened...

Then Jesus saying " trib such as The world has never seen and never will"

Amil has Jesus confused about that.

 

[MatthewG]

Can I suggest that the translations have hidden the Second Death from view.

What you are quoting state this, my paraphrase: - "There are some standing here today who will not taste the second death until they see Christ's return."

In other words, Christ said that even though they will die physically, when they are raised up to be judged, then they will experience the second death.

It seems to me that you have not meditated upon what the scriptures actually state.

Jesus took care of the second death on the cross.

That might be your paraphrase, but I don't think it means much to me personally.

I believe it mean actual death, they would die upon seeing him and be taken...

So like I said before if your predictions don't come true, you just are simply lying to yourself.

 

[MatthewG]

Nothing in history is written of the worldwide mark, millions of believers beheaded, flying scorpions, hailstones of fire, etc.

That alone is enough to cast down a doctrine claiming all that happened...

Then Jesus saying " trib such as The world has never seen and never will"

Amil has Jesus confused about that.

What a wild imagination people have.

 

[MatthewG]

You never ever know the time,
No one really Knows, maybe already, maybe now, maybe will........

Even if someone else told you the true time.You will never ever know the time,

马太福音 24:44
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
所以，你们也要预备，因为你们想不到的时候，人子就来了。”

路加福音 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.


Like the statement in my previous post, there's a reason.

Jesus gave a time frame....


"Generation - 40 years."

 

[soberxp]

Jesus gave a time frame....


"Generation - 40 years."

21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


2:40
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.


This generation = this untoward generation.

Do you live in a lucky generation?

 

[MatthewG]

21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


2:40
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.


This generation = this untoward generation.

Do you live in a lucky generation?

Ha~! Lucky?

Those people whom Jesus spoke to was that generation. He only went to Jewish people.

He knew the Old Testament, and learned of it by going to the temple when he was young.

He was no fool. You know what people say about that line you just quoted? "It's the most embarrassing verse in scripture."

You know what leads? Confusion, and that possibly Jesus didn't know what hell he was talking about.

Just like people look at me, and don't know what the hell Im talking about, they are confused.

 

[MatthewG]

That’s exactly why I take issue with people who keep proclaiming that Jesus is coming back—specifically to our generation today.

They seem to overlook the fact that in those verses, Jesus was speaking to actual, living people of that time. It’s like they forget, or choose to dismiss, the historical context and the audience who were right there hearing his words firsthand.

Take John the Baptist, for example, when he said, “the axe is laid at the root of the trees.” That wasn’t a vague warning—it meant Israel was facing judgment, about to be cut off. And then there’s the symbolism of the “fig tree.” These pieces all fit together in a meaningful way when you read Scripture as a whole.

The real issue arises when people isolate verses, chop up chapters, and even slice apart the letters. They erase the connection to the people of that era and instead shout:

“LOOK—THIS IS ABOUT US TODAY! BE READY! BE MINDFUL!”

I understand the importance of being ready, especially in the face of mortality. But I don’t buy into the idea that Jesus is coming to rescue us now in the same way he did back then. I believe, in faith, that he already fulfilled that promise for those people in their time.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for anyone whom has come to and has had interest in the topic, I post some my problems, in #57, #58, #59.

 

[Jay Ross]

My question is why don’t you accept it and believe it that’s what Jesus said this generation won’t die until they see all these things happen. There’s some standing there today. They won’t die until they see Jesus Christ return all those things compile upon each other so I don’t know what your point is I’ve read the Bible and I know this much.

Therefore, all you can do is really just share with me. Why do you hope Jesus Christ is coming back today why do you believe it so and if it’s not true, your prediction doesn’t come true then that means that you’re lying simply.

Matthew, since the theology you believe in has not happened because Jesus did not come back in 70 AD, why do you reject what I have posted in that I believe that the recorded scriptures clearly tell us that there is still around 1,050 years until the final judgement of all of mankind will occur. I am not in the camp of the Pre-tribbers which believe that He is. As such your claim that I am saying that Jesus is coming back today is not true.

I will suggest that God will fulfil Isaiah 24:21-22 in around 20 years from now, when He will judge the kings of the earth on the face of the earth and He will also judge the Heavenly hosts in heaven and that they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit, i.e. the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years before they are released from the Bottomless Pit for a little while period during which time they will receive their punishment in the Lake of Fire which Satan has denied since the time of the Garden of Eden.

Therefore, your suggestion that I am lying is also untrue. You say you have read the bible but from what you are posting you demonstrate that you have little to no understanding of what is said in the scriptures.

The most embarrassing verse in the bible is not embarrassing at all, rather what is embarrassing is that many theologians have the same understanding as you and are not able to fully understand what Jesus was actually stating.

What Jesus was indicating in this verse was that there were some who were standing next to Him who still did not believing in Him and that, because of this, they would die the Second Death when He returned in the distant future.

Do you believe?

 

[Behold]

I don’t have proof of Jesus Christ coming back,

Jesus said He was coming back.
There is your proof.

 

[MatthewG]

Matthew, since the theology you believe in has not happened because Jesus did not come back in 70 AD, why do you reject what I have posted in that I believe that the recorded scriptures clearly tell us that there is still around 1,050 years until the final judgement of all of mankind will occur. I am not in the camp of the Pre-tribbers which believe that He is. As such your claim that I am saying that Jesus is coming back today is not true.

I will suggest that God will fulfil Isaiah 24:21-22 in around 20 years from now, when He will judge the kings of the earth on the face of the earth and He will also judge the Heavenly hosts in heaven and that they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit, i.e. the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years before they are released from the Bottomless Pit for a little while period during which time they will receive their punishment in the Lake of Fire which Satan has denied since the time of the Garden of Eden.

Therefore, your suggestion that I am lying is also untrue. You say you have read the bible but from what you are posting you demonstrate that you have little to no understanding of what is said in the scriptures.

The most embarrassing verse in the bible is not embarrassing at all, rather what is embarrassing is that many theologians have the same understanding as you and are not able to fully understand what Jesus was actually stating.

What Jesus was indicating in this verse was that there were some who were standing next to Him who still did not believing in Him and that, because of this, they would die the Second Death when He returned in the distant future.

Do you believe?

Idk if you or me will be alive. So, if your prediction doesn't come true, I know you were not someone to believe.

 

[Jay Ross]

Idk if you or me will be alive. So, if your prediction doesn't come true, I know you were not someone to believe.

If Armageddon occurs in around 20 years' time which I am suggesting, then if I am right with this POV then it is highly likely that I will also be right about Christ's return in around 1,050 solar years from now. We will both have curled our toes long before Christ returns.

However, you have a higher probability of being alive when Armageddon occurs than I, but the question will be, "Will you remember what I have predicted?

 

[soberxp]

Ha~! Lucky?

Those people whom Jesus spoke to was that generation. He only went to Jewish people.

He knew the Old Testament, and learned of it by going to the temple when he was young.

He was no fool. You know what people say about that line you just quoted? "It's the most embarrassing verse in scripture."

You know what leads? Confusion, and that possibly Jesus didn't know what hell he was talking about.

Just like people look at me, and don't know what the hell Im talking about, they are confused.

21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


2:40
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.


This generation = this untoward generation.

Do you live in a lucky generation?

This generation shall not pass away= This untoward generation shall not pass away

This describes not any particular generation, but every generation of such people.


If you still don't understand what that means, I think we can call it a day.

 

[MatthewG]

If Armageddon occurs in around 20 years' time which I am suggesting, then if I am right with this POV then it is highly likely that I will also be right about Christ's return in around 1,050 solar years from now. We will both have curled our toes long before Christ returns.

However, you have a higher probability of being alive when Armageddon occurs than I, but the question will be, "Will you remember what I have predicted?

Not to brag but I’m sharp and remember a lot concerning people…

But I’m aware that sure nukes and what not could happen, but that would not be Jesus coming back…

I’ve seen people who make nuclear war bunkers and stuff they are highly extreme beings; to each their own.