Source or Resource? - Understanding the difference

[Bob Estey]

This came up on another topic. Seemed to be worth its own topic.

Understanding the difference between the SOURCE and a RESOURCE.
God should be our SOURCE. Everything else is a RESOURCE. (including the Bible)

Source:
- God

Resources:
- The Bible
- Commentaries
- Preachers/teachers
- Other believers
- Unbelievers (listen)

Other resource ideas?

/ @Spyder

I believe you said it very well.

 

[Spyder]

Thanks.
I did not know that about the Geneva translation.
Was it widely distributed among the public?

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Yes, it was. The Pilgrims came to America with the Geneva Bible. The KJV was not the standard translation until the Queen of England prohibited any more Geneva bibles from being published.

 

[Mr E]

ha ha @St. SteVen --- you'll have to spin out another thread from this spun out thread so you can have a discussion on where the resources have come from, in the resource library.

You have the Hebrew texts and the Greek texts-- translated into Latin and then into German (Martin Luther's work) and finally into English (King Henry, Geneva and King James versions).

Yes, the Geneva Bible preceded the King James version by about 50 years, but before the Geneva Bible, there was "the Great Bible" -- which has been all but forgotten. Mary- was Queen of England. This is the Queen that Protestants gave the moniker-- Bloody Mary for her persecution of them. Many of theological scholars fled from her-- to Geneva, Switzerland, where --guess who??? Jean Calvin-- the French theologian had established himself as opposed to the Catholic teachings. This group of scholars translated the Geneva Bible from the original Hebrew and Greek directly (like Tyndale had started to do, prior to being thrown in prison and then executed for it). This Geneva Bible, though it came after the King Henry-- it was preferred by the Reformers-- well? -because it was spicier. It used more forceful language-- more "vigorous." And so this was the Bible that the Puritans -who became Pilgrims took with them on the Mayflower-- as they fled from the tyranny of the Catholic Church.

Incidentally-- Mary I-- Bloody Mary was defending the church from the English Reformation. You see it was her Father's work-- having the Bible translated into English that started all the trouble. As soon as people could read this resource for themselves with their own eyes, and not have to take the Church's word for it..... Reformers stood up and opposed things they found out were simply wrong teachings.

Who was Queen Mary's father? It was King Henry VIII.

Just as the King James version bears the name of it's benefactor, so too the Great Bible-- it was the authorized King Henry version.

 

[St. SteVen]

ha ha @St. SteVen --- you'll have to spin out another thread from this spun out thread so you can have a discussion on where the resources have come from, in the resource library.

Yes, the words are interchangeable, but I think you get the idea.

Thanks for the historical info and the song that I remember from my youth.
I remember my father looking at me in amazement as I sang it, Wondering... ???

"Second verse, same as the first..."

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[amadeus]

Kinda makes me want to talk to a baby, but dangit, they're grown now, lol

Yes, that is one thing that happens when time passes. One grandson is expecting his 2nd child and my youngest granddaughter just moved into her own apartment. My wife and I sit back and watch from a distance now. Even babysitting is in the past tense....

Oh but indeed, out of the mouths of babes

Mt 21:16

And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

 

[amadeus]

Yes they did, and that's the point we are making I think. I always say don't worship the 'book of God', worship the 'God of the book'. That's the problem I think Steven made initially. We have too many translations being made GOD by people here. Whereas I study lots of translations hoping that the Spirit enlightens the eyes of my heart to get the best picture possible. Just like that last verse I broke down dealing with one word.

God works with us as we walk and work with Him. I read the KJV along with Luther [German] and Valera [Spanish]. Sometimes I will read for a long time or even seek something in particular [study] without seeing anything new, but then suddenly a verse opens up in ways completely new to me. I strive to go to the lowest place in the lowest room [Luke 14:8-11] daily. It can be very helpful to clear me of accumulated debris and sometimes give me something new....

Another verse is really the one that I did my study on decades ago. And it was;

The word “approved” in the Greek refers to being ‘tested’ or assayed 'as to being the real thing'. You are not "approved" just because you give lip service to a 'correct’ doctrinal statement of faith. You are "approved" if ‘what you talk/believe’ manifests, when you are ‘tested’. But if you fail the temptation or test, and compromise in your ‘walk’ you then show yourself to be un-approved. And it matters not one bit if what you 'say you believe' is true or not. On the day of judgement, you will not be judged for your TALK, but for your WALK.

Good!

 

[amadeus]

I heard a testimony one time from some type of Christian Missionary and they were going to meet some tribe that had never been visited by missionaries before. It was on some island somewhere. And he said when they got there they were greeted and welcomed and they took them and fed them and then they began to share the gospel nessage with them.

And the tribesman began speaking up and interjecting thoughts and responses but they acted like they have heard this before. They knew Jesus! To his knowledge they were the first to ever come to the Island with bibles and the gospel message. So he asked the tribesman where did you learn these things? And the tribesman said, from the teacher who comes. And then they described a divine robed figure that has been coming to their camp and teaching them about God.

I thought that was an awesome testimony and it does sound like something the Lord would do for them. If it was Jesus or an Angel which came to them, I don't know. But Jesus knows His own timetable so He maybe wanted to help out save His people and some time. Time is short right now!

Give God the glory!

 

[Phil .]

It looks like you are promoting eastern mysticism with that website. Well, more than promoting...
Sessions at $150.00 each? (guided imagery meditation?) I suppose. Quotes from the Maharishi?
Most Christians on here would object, I suppose. I don't mind, but be careful.

That isn’t what it looks like nor what it is, that’s an interpretation. There is no promoting. The question was asked, that is the answer.

There are also two free group zoom calls on the last weekend of every month. What’s offered is perfectly in line with the teachings of Jesus. It’s even mention in the guidelines which every member must click that they agree with to be able to participate:


“As taught by Jesus:
Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
Forgive others. Accept & allow forgiveness for yourself.
Lean not on your understanding, but on Truth-God-Love.
Proper use of thought and speech is not to condemn, embarrass, isolate, exclude or shame; but to help the suffering to heal, the blind to see, and the oppressed to liberate.”

 

[St. SteVen]

That isn’t what it looks like nor what it is, that’s an interpretation.

Like I said, "I don't mind."
I'll let others come to their own conclusions.
I'm glad you are here. I wasn't trying to be off-putting.
Was just surprised by what I found. No worries.

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[Phil .]

Like I said, "I don't mind."
I'll let others come to their own conclusions.
I'm glad you are here. I wasn't trying to be off-putting.
Was just surprised by what I found. No worries.

Much love.

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic.

Jesus is the answer. - But what's the question?

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[St. SteVen]

From the OP with new emphasis.

This came up on another topic. Seemed to be worth its own topic.

Understanding the difference between the SOURCE and a RESOURCE.
God should be our SOURCE. Everything else is a RESOURCE. (including the Bible)

Source:
- God

Resources:
- The Bible
- Commentaries
- Preachers/teachers
- Other believers
- Unbelievers (listen)

Other resource ideas?

]

 

[Lambano]

Source:
- God

Ever sit back and watch two believers who take opposite and mutually contradictory positions but each claiming that "God told me this" and "the Holy Spirit told me that" drop the gloves and go at each other?

 

[St. SteVen]

Ever sit back and watch two believers who take opposite and mutually contradictory positions but each claiming that "God told me this" and "the Holy Spirit told me that" drop the gloves and go at each other?

Oh, yes.

I went to a fight the other day and a hockey game broke out.

Oh, wait... that was the religious forum. - LOL

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[Behold]

Source:
- God

The Source of all wisdom and knowledge and truth.

Is Jesus.

"As Jesus is THE Truth, and In CHRIST (Jesus) are hidden (found) all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge"

So, as ""Jesus is THE Word, made Flesh, and the bible is ""The word of God...""

All of these are of the same place, are of the same Spirit.

 

[MA2444]

I look back on my earthly life and I can see that my source has been God. And my Resource when I ran out. He's resourced me again and again!

And all that time I was in Business for myself, I thought I was the source and the talent and the skills were mine. In retrospect, I can see the truth. It was God all along.

 

[Ritajanice]

The source is the Living Spirit,Gods Living Witness.

The resource are commentaries,some speak the word of God directly to your heart ,great resource imo, Bible I go to for confirmation ,if I believe the Spirit is ministering ,relaying a word to me.

 

[Ritajanice]

@MA2444 said.

And all that time I was in Business for myself, I thought I was the source and the talent and the skills were mine. In retrospect, I can see the truth. It was God all along.


RJ asks, do you believe that God gifted you with talent and skills?

Can you explain when you say it was God all along,I’m intrigued.

 

[MA2444]

@MA2444 said.

And all that time I was in Business for myself, I thought I was the source and the talent and the skills were mine. In retrospect, I can see the truth. It was God all along.


RJ asks, do you believe that God gifted you with talent and skills?

Can you explain when you say it was God all along,I’m intrigued.

Those are good Questions! And I do have answers. I've thought this through fairly well. The Lord gave me life, He gave me many Talents. He gave me many skills. He gave me many Oppurtuinities. He gave me a Family. He gave me a Secretary! He even gave me the tools that I always needed and always had. I think that all that I did was to show up and do the work!
The Lord also gave me good health. He gave me everything I would need for all time. The Blessings that I will need n a month or two are already in place waiting to be delivered.

The Lord Loves us. The Lord loves us way more than anyone can comprehend. A true and pure Love. A perfect Love. The Lord showed me that perfect love requires Free Will. ! And the Lord will not violate our free will. That's what we're here for, to make choices everyday, look to the Lord or look to the world?

I noticed it about life even before I was walking with the Lord. Ups and downs in life always, I've prolly had a couple hundred shut off notices in my life time. But my stuff doesnt get shut off. Something always happens or comes through and, the lights stay on! I've never had a vehicle re-possessed. So why do some people get their stuff shut off or repoed? Gamblers, drunks & druggies. I've never really fit into those catagories. I've always worked and paid my bills first before recreation!

Those people who it happened to chose poorly. Doing the right thing in life always involves doing what your Conscience tells you to do! Somehow, prolly my Dad, I had ideas of integrity, honesty, and honor in my heart and I wanted to do the right thing. And something always happens at the last minute almost always. In fact always. It takes around 50 years on this planet to even get a clue, lol!

Now I am walking with the Lord to the best of my ability, but what does scripture say? Apart from me, you can do nothing...?? Yes! Everything was Him and my entire life. All I have done is make choices. There is no such thing as coincidenses on earth. Everything, absolutely everything is staged and set up for you to enter the situation and make a choice.

He gave me everything. Talent, skills, tools, and the Oppurtunities to go out and be fruitful for my family and I did it pertly right and the Lord is very forgiving and compassionate to our situation on this valley of the shadow of death planet where everything is a horror funhouse. And you cant escape from it so there's no such thing as random things happening to anyone. You were out into that situation! Make your choice!

The Lord doesnt bless people based on failure, because of His comapassion for us here. But He does reward obedience. So the more you do right and good deeds for others the better life is for all. I think scripture also says I have equipped you for every good work? So he has provided everything. Choose wisely!

Sorry so long, lol.

 

[Jay Ross]

God gives people giftings. Biblically Satan gave his faithful servants talents, i.e. large sums of money, based on their ability to trade and turn profits with the talents they were given, so as to impede the establishment of God's everlasting Kingdom while he is imprisoned in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years, which will begin in around 20 years from now.

The word "talent" today is a corruption from scripture because of its misuse by pastors and priests since the churches were established.

Today if you have a talent, you can make money and as Christ taught, the love of money is destructive.

Talent in British English

noun

1.

innate ability, aptitude, or faculty, esp when unspecified; above average ability

a talent for cooking
a child with talent

2.

a person or persons possessing such ability

3.

any of various ancient units of weight and money

4. informal

Sexually attractive people collectively, esp those living in a particular place

the local talent

5. an obsolete word for inclination

Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

Word origin

Old English talente, from Latin talenta, pl of talentum sum of money, from Greek talanton unit of money or weight; in Medieval Latin the sense was extended to ability through the influence of the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14–30)