Spirit filled believer?

[Eternally Grateful]

Youi really like to see things from a carnal perspective don't you? equating the spirit to man is like equating mustard and ketchup they are not the same in the slightest and it doesn't matter if you think something like chromozones decides what he is or isn't because the scriptures are the truth not your opinion and they say the spirit is a he and you have yet to provide any evidence supporting your stance other than your opinion which means you are leaning on your own understanding and are rejecting the scriptures therefore rejecting the words of God himself all because you cannot see past your own personal view and refuse to admit you are wrong.

Do you hold the word of God as truth or not?

ok man,

this is actually a rediculous argument.

If you want to die on this, feel free

I will not be the one who causes division in the church because I demand the HS must be a human male.. and not a genderless spirit who has no gender.

 

[Azim]

But he is still refered to as a he in scripture John 14:26, referring to Him as "the Helper" (or "Advocate") and saying that "He will teach you". He also states in John 15:26, "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me".

So it doesn't matter if he does not have the chromozones because he is spirit and yet he is still mentioned by Jesus himself as a he so do you just ignore this scripture or are you able to admit you may be wrong?

In my meditations with God, when it comes to the spiritual aspects, and labeling "he" or "she", "he" could mean first. "She" being second. Just my thoughts.

 

[Aunty Jane]

This is just your own opinion it is not scripture or even scripture based so this is not proof.

There is an old saying....”a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still”....there is no teaching that man anything he does not want to believe.
What you want to believe doesn’t make it truth.

I gave you reasons for why the “he” in the scriptures you mentioned is not literal. Ignore it if you wish.

 

[Cross8527]

ok man,

this is actually a rediculous argument.

If you want to die on this, feel free

I will not be the one who causes division in the church because I demand the HS must be a human male.. and not a genderless spirit who has no gender.

I don't demand anything I provided scriptural evidence that the holy spirit is a he you however have not and likely cannot provide any evidence that the spirit is genderless, have ever considered how Jesus and the father are male? and if God is a trinity then why would father and Jesus be male but the spirit genderless?

 

[Cross8527]

There is an old saying....”a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still”....there is no teaching that man anything he does not want to believe.
What you want to believe doesn’t make it truth.

I gave you reasons for why the “he” in the scriptures you mentioned is not literal. Ignore it if you wish.

You gave me reasons that are not biblical you are trying to make scripture say something it isn't to fit your belief and if you cannot provide any scriptural evidence then it is just your own opinion not truth. I provided my evidence you simply refuse to accept his word as truth and try to twist it to fit your own doctrine

 

[ProDeo]

The Bible tells us that the gifts would cease, because Christians had to put away the traits of a spiritual child and press on to maturity, developing the qualities of “faith, hope and love”. (1 Cor 13: 8-13)

You are making sense, that is without saying you are 100% right

The stories I hear are, that at the front line (where the gospel message is unknown) AD 30-70 type miracles still happen when the Gospel is preached.

 

[Rockerduck]

You are making sense, that is without saying you are 100% right

The stories I hear are, that at the front line (where the gospel message is unknown) AD 30-70 type miracles still happen when the Gospel is preached.

The gifts are still present today. They haven't ceased. Most Christians don't look for them or haven't seen them. I hear the Holy Spirit speak and many others do too. I bring this up when someone in bible studies ask about it and I then ask everybody has the Holy Spirit spoken to them and half the class will say yes, at least one time in their life. I don't see many lay hands on in some churches, but other churches actively do. More healings take place in a church the lays hands on people.

 

[Cross8527]

The gifts are still present today. They haven't ceased. Most Christians don't look for them or haven't seen them. I hear the Holy Spirit speak and many others do too. I bring this up when someone in bible studies ask about it and I then ask everybody has the Holy Spirit spoken to them and half the class will say yes, at least one time in their life. I don't see many lay hands on in some churches, but other churches actively do. More healings take place in a church the lays hands on people.

I had the laying of hands on me and felt God's immense power surge through me to the point I was just stunned unable to move.
I also fell backwards and was unable to get up but wow was that an intense power I felt it was glorious

 

[Cross8527]

Many believe the gifts of the spirit like healing has ceased mainly because they have never seen the real thing just a bunch of fakes. If I was the enemy and I wanted to put doubt in the miracles of God I would make a bunch of fake ones to make people doubt it is a brilliant scheme and has actually worked out quite well for him.

There is not scriptural evidence that they have ceased either,

 

[Aunty Jane]

The gifts are still present today. They haven't ceased. Most Christians don't look for them or haven't seen them.

The ones who have looked for them and even those who have seen them, have faced disappointment when the hoped for a cure was not experienced, or was only temporary.
In the first century, there were no failures....all were cured....100%.
If it is the same spirit, then it has lost a good deal of its power...the power that created the Universe does not wane. God gave us the power of reason, but emotions can override immature reasoning.
As Paul stated to his fellow Christians....
“Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permits.”
These “elementary” things were already established, so there was a need now to “press on to maturity”.
The miracles had to cease so that maturity could replace “the traits of a babe”.

1 Cor 13:8, 11, 13.....
“...but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. . . .When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. . . . But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.” (NASB)

The devil can’t have a lend of those who have a sound knowledge of the truth.....he can only sway emotions by his trickery. Falling down when a preacher lays hands on someone was never part of the gifts, but goes with those who babble in church.
God does not compete with the devil with miracles in these last days.....mature Christians don’t require them.

I hear the Holy Spirit speak and many others do too. I bring this up when someone in bible studies ask about it and I then ask everybody has the Holy Spirit spoken to them and half the class will say yes, at least one time in their life.

This another red flag...how do you know that it’s God’s Voice and not the pretender doing his “angel of light” trick? (2 Cor 11:13-15) God does not speak to his worshippers audibly, and never has.....even in the wilderness he only spoke to one person....Moses....who acted the mediator between God and his people. Moses had to enter a compartment in the Tabernacle where no one else was permitted to go, in order to communicate with God and receive his instructions.

The other red flag for authenticity was that believers in the first century were never the beneficiaries of the gifts...they were given for the benefit of unbelievers, in order to bring them to Christ. Those cured or raised from the dead were for the most part Jewish, and their leaders had failed to accept Jesus as Messiah, claiming that his miracles were from Beelzebub (the leader of the demons). So deeply entrench were the false teachings of the Pharisees that something more than just preaching was necessary to kick start the way back to true worship. Once Christianity was well established by the end of the first century, the gifts died with the apostles as Paul said they would, because spiritual infants would not be able to withstand the persecution that was coming.

I don't see many lay hands on in some churches, but other churches actively do. More healings take place in a church the lays hands on people.

Another misconception....the “laying on of hands” was carried out by the apostles who were the only ones who could pass the gifts on to others. The laying on of hands was to receive the holy spirit....to appoint leaders in the church, and to direct the all important preaching work.

Acts 5:12-16....
“At the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were taking place among the people; and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s portico. But none of the rest dared to associate with them; however, the people held them in high esteem. And all the more believers in the Lord, multitudes of men and women, were constantly added to their number, to such an extent that they even carried the sick out into the streets and laid them on cots and pallets, so that when Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on any one of them. Also the people from the cities in the vicinity of Jerusalem were coming together, bringing people who were sick or afflicted with unclean spirits, and they were all being healed.” (NASB)

It is ignorance that promotes false ideas about what Christianity should look like..and how Christians should behave in a world ruled by the devil. (1 John 5:19)
And those who need to see miracles today betray a lack of spiritual maturity. What was Jesus last command to his apostles before he departed from them?

“And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Matt 28:18-20 NASB)

Were miracles included in that final command?
Being given “authority” “in heaven and on earth” by his God and Father, Jesus commanded them to ‘make more disciples, teaching them to observe all of his commands’.

Is that what we see in today’s divided church system? (1 Cor 1:10)

 

[Dan Clarkston]

There is not scriptural evidence that they have ceased either

And those refusing to believe the Lord still moves among His true Children won't be bothered with His Presence either.

 

[Berean]

We do not even fit the definition, because we have no human leader....we have one leader who teaches us all things, and that is Jesus Christ....the son of God. It is he who appointed a “faithful and wise slave” in this time of the end, when he is about to make his “presence” felt as the judge of all mankind.

Seems like a contradiction here. You say you have no human leader, you're right, you have human leaders plural, a governing body, that dictates to you what you can believe and do.

 

[walter]

Seems like a contradiction here. You say you have no human leader, you're right, you have human leaders plural, a governing body, that dictates to you what you can believe and do.

Sure the Watchtower had an article last Sunday about "How to win the fight against wrong desires" this article cited many scriptures and in their own words gave practical advice on key points that can help us to win the fight against wrong desires. I thought the article was very useful and helpful.

We have fundamental beliefs about Salvation, The use of God's name, The love we have for our brothers and sisters and even enemies, around the world in 1,108 languages, our commitment to observe Jesus instructions and we can also explain our fundamental beliefs like these with only scriptures.

I respect your viewpoint and the words you use to express them.. I can explain my fundamental beliefs with scriptures alone, not anybody else's additional words, can you do this?

 

[Berean]

Sure the Watchtower had an article last Sunday about "How to win the fight against wrong desires" this article cited many scriptures and in their own words gave practical advice on key points that can help us to win the fight against wrong desires. I thought the article was very useful and helpful.

I'm sure it was. So you admit you have human leaders.

We have fundamental beliefs about Salvation, The use of God's name, The love we have for our brothers and sisters and even enemies, around the world in 1,108 languages, our commitment to observe Jesus instructions and we can also explain our fundamental beliefs like these with only scriptures.

Does that include love for former members, as they would constitute "enemies".

I respect your viewpoint and the words you use to express them.. I can explain my fundamental beliefs with scriptures alone, not anybody else's additional words, can you do this?

Of course I can. Anytime you're ready, I'm here!

 

[rockytopva]

Remembering that Spirit filled believers are basically good people...

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23

 

[Taken]

equating the spirit to man

God IS SPIRIT.
Man HAS a Spirit.

God and manKIND having LIKENESSES…
Does NOT Translate to Being …
The SAME or EQUAL.

manKIND and Animals Have similarities…
Likenesses…
Both HAVE souls, bodies, instincts, brains, thoughts, blood, life, ears, mouths, nourished out of their habitat, seeds to reproduce, male, female, yet not EQUAL.

manKIND and God Have similarities…Likenesses…
Both HAVE spirits, souls, bodies, minds, thoughts, desires, wants, seeds to reproduce, male, female, Yet not EQUAL.

Gender Reference use of Pronouns… such as “He, His, Him… Masculine … when Referencing God…IS literally Glorifying God.

WHY?
Because IT was God Himself who established the Standard, Principle, Protocol of MALE HEAD…
Dominance, Responsibility, Expectations, Obedience…
Male…humans…Head of Clan, Tribe, Household, Family…
Subject TO a Higher Authority…HEAD MALE…
He, Him…Teacher, Word, Power, Maker
He, Him… Teacher, Word, Maker…
Subject to a Higher Authority, HEAD MALE
He, Him…Creator.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[walter]

I'm sure it was. So you admit you have human leaders.

Sure we do, doesn't most everyone that belongs to any faith?

 

[walter]

Does that include love for former members, as they would constitute "enemies".

I myself was removed for over 20 years, I know exactly how it feels.. I respect all the words in the Bible on this subject. I use the words in the Bible to dictate my actions.

But if you want to debate every single word and sentence, I am not interested. I respect your views and your reasons why, I do not debate any of your views or your reasons why you believe them, I expect everyone takes the information and makes the best choices and believes them to be true until they find out there is more reliable information.

 

[walter]

Of course I can. Anytime you're ready, I'm here!

I don't know of any subjects at this minute but I will take you up on that later, if you are still interested.

 

[Berean]

I don't know of any subjects at this minute but I will take you up on that later, if you are still interested.

Of course. You can even message me if you'd like