Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Christian Soldier]

I voted NO, meaning not any longer, can't ignore all the warnings, the examples in Scripture, having seen examples around me.

I've studied the Bible for years, but I've never found a single verse that warns a born again believer that they can lose their salvation.
The warnings I found are for to those who make a false profession of faith, but are unchanged inwardly. They are just like Judas Iscariot, everyone thinks they are genuine Christians but they are actually children of the Devil.

We have all seen friends, relatives and neighbours who claimed to be believers, but they live a life of sin which reveals they're not true believers at all.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I've studied the Bible for years, but I've never found a single verse that warns a born again believer that they can lose their salvation.
The warnings I found are for to those who make a false profession of faith, but are unchanged inwardly. They are just like Judas Iscariot, everyone thinks they are genuine Christians but they are actually children of the Devil.

We have all seen friends, relatives and neighbours who claimed to be believers, but they live a life of sin which reveals they're not true believers at all.

The verses are easy to miss but are there (NKJV);

Ezekiel 18:24
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.”

Deuteronomy 29:18-20
“So that there may not be among you man or woman or family or tribe, whose heart turns away today from the Lord our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations… The Lord would not spare him; for then the anger of the Lord and His jealousy would burn against that man, and every curse that is written in this book would settle on him, and the Lord would blot out his name from under heaven.”

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind… If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.”

Hebrews 6:4-6
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”

Hebrews 10:26-27
“For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.”

John 15:5-6
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

Matthew 24:12-13
"And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.”

Luke 8:13
“But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.”

Mark 9:43-44
“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’”

John 8:31-32, 34-35
“Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, ‘If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.’ … Jesus answered them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.’”

2 Peter 2:20-21
“For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.”

1 John 2:24-25
“Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.”

Jude 1:5-6
“But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day.”

James 5:19-20
“Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”

Revelation 3:5
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”

also read post no 85 of this thread.

Blessings

 

[Taken]

Are you suggesting that some people will be saved after they die.

In brief;

Lord God Almighty IS:
3 = 1 God

ManKIND HAS:
body, soul, spirit
3 = 1 Person

Person = ManKind, Earthly, Alive Body with Soul and spirit in the Body.

Cadaver, Corpse = Dead Body, dead Spirit, without a Soul in its Body.

Offering of God ~
soul, Salvation
spirit, Born Again (Gods Seed),
dead body, Risen Glorified.
* ie…QUICKENING

Offering of God ~ to manKind
* “DECIDED” before mans Body Dies.
* “EFFECTED” after mans body dies.

Because…
A body, can NOT be “changed” unless it first dies.
A soul, can NOT be “saved” unless it first dies.
A mans natural spirit can NOT be “born again” unless it first dies.

A body, not quickened… remains DEAD.
A soul, not quickened…. Remains DEAD.
A spirit, not quickened.. Remains DEAD

At some point …All are, raised, judged.
Whom does the Lord God Judge…?
The QUICK and the DEAD…
2 Tim 4:1
1 Pet 4:5

Who is WITH the Lord God, That He Be Their God , and They Be His People?
The Living. ( QUICKENED )
Mark 12:27

Who IS / ARE / Shall Be the QUICKENED?
They Who Bodily Died… Believing.

What notifies us? scripture

* All earthly body’s (it’s LIFE ie BLOOD, Must / Shall Die… God Requires that Death.

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

How many Times MUST a body Die? Once.

Heb 9:
[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Is Crucifixion… a bodily Death? Yes
Can Ceasing… of blood flow, heartbeat, breathing, result in a bodily Death? Yes

Is it Foolish, to Not know, Trust, Believe, the Lord God IS the Creator… AND Maker…? Yes.

Is it Foolish, to Not Know Gods Creation IS a Done Deal…. Nothing new Under the Son? Yes.
Ecc 1:9

The Creator… Created.
The Maker… (so to speak) Restores the Glory back into that which God Created Glorious.

1 John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Natural MUST Die… Before it can Be Quickened…


1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Just because some have voted yes does not change God's Word which clearly teaches salvation is conditional

If salvation was unconditional then universalism would be true but it's snot

 

[Christian Soldier]

The verses are easy to miss but are there (NKJV);

Ezekiel 18:24
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.”

Deuteronomy 29:18-20
“So that there may not be among you man or woman or family or tribe, whose heart turns away today from the Lord our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations… The Lord would not spare him; for then the anger of the Lord and His jealousy would burn against that man, and every curse that is written in this book would settle on him, and the Lord would blot out his name from under heaven.”

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind… If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.”

Hebrews 6:4-6
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”

Hebrews 10:26-27
“For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.”

John 15:5-6
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

Matthew 24:12-13
"And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.”

Luke 8:13
“But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.”

Mark 9:43-44
“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—where ‘Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.’”

John 8:31-32, 34-35
“Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, ‘If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.’ … Jesus answered them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.’”

2 Peter 2:20-21
“For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.”

1 John 2:24-25
“Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.”

Jude 1:5-6
“But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day.”

James 5:19-20
“Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”

Revelation 3:5
“He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.”

also read post no 85 of this thread.

Blessings

Yep, just as I thought. There's not a single verse among them stating that a saved person can lose their salvation.

All you did was take verses out of their intended context and apply your unbiblical interpretation in an attempt to twist their meaning to make them say something entirely different to what they are actually saying, in order to make them support your private view.

You failed to make the distinction between those under the old covenant and the new covenant. In any case none of the verses from either covenant described saved people losing their salvation. All we have is a bunch of verses describing the two kinds of people, I mentioned in an earlier post.
You only have the elect of God, those whom God chose to save before He creaed the world, ad those whom He left dead in their sin. There is no third (free choice) group, you won't find them anywhere in the Bible. They only exist in the imagination of those who have embraced the false (Arminian) man made gospel.

You will never find a single verse in the Bible, that describes a saved person losing their salvation. I can list around 120 verses which clearly confirm this truth. But we don't need a truck load of verses to confirm or deny a simple doctrine, the fact that you had to paste so many shows that your argument is weak.

 

[Christian Soldier]

In brief;

Lord God Almighty IS:
3 = 1 God

ManKIND HAS:
body, soul, spirit
3 = 1 Person

Person = ManKind, Earthly, Alive Body with Soul and spirit in the Body.

Cadaver, Corpse = Dead Body, dead Spirit, without a Soul in its Body.

Offering of God ~
soul, Salvation
spirit, Born Again (Gods Seed),
dead body, Risen Glorified.
* ie…QUICKENING

Offering of God ~ to manKind
* “DECIDED” before mans Body Dies.
* “EFFECTED” after mans body dies.

Because…
A body, can NOT be “changed” unless it first dies.
A soul, can NOT be “saved” unless it first dies.
A mans natural spirit can NOT be “born again” unless it first dies.

A body, not quickened… remains DEAD.
A soul, not quickened…. Remains DEAD.
A spirit, not quickened.. Remains DEAD

At some point …All are, raised, judged.
Whom does the Lord God Judge…?
The QUICK and the DEAD…
2 Tim 4:1
1 Pet 4:5

Who is WITH the Lord God, That He Be Their God , and They Be His People?
The Living. ( QUICKENED )
Mark 12:27

Who IS / ARE / Shall Be the QUICKENED?
They Who Bodily Died… Believing.

What notifies us? scripture

* All earthly body’s (it’s LIFE ie BLOOD, Must / Shall Die… God Requires that Death.

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

How many Times MUST a body Die? Once.

Heb 9:
[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Is Crucifixion… a bodily Death? Yes
Can Ceasing… of blood flow, heartbeat, breathing, result in a bodily Death? Yes

Is it Foolish, to Not know, Trust, Believe, the Lord God IS the Creator… AND Maker…? Yes.

Is it Foolish, to Not Know Gods Creation IS a Done Deal…. Nothing new Under the Son? Yes.
Ecc 1:9

The Creator… Created.
The Maker… (so to speak) Restores the Glory back into that which God Created Glorious.

1 John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Natural MUST Die… Before it can Be Quickened…


1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Glory to God,
Taken

Gods Word doesn't support your views, because they are contrary to what He has said.

Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that the judgement of those who die is celestial trial of some sort. The bible doesn't describe it as such, the Bible states that the coming judgement is a done deal. There is nothing to examine or evaluate.

God already knows who His children are, since He chose them before He created the world. So the judgement is simply a separation of the goats from the sheep. The goats will be cast into hell, where they will be tormented for all eternity, while the sheep inherit eternal life in in paradise.

So salvation and damnation are already a done deal, the judgement is simply a reward and punishment ceremony. It's when sinners are sentenced and the just rewarded. There is no appeals process available to anyone, and no ew evidence will be permissible upon judgement.

We need to also consider the fact that the Bible describes degrees of reward and punishment. Those who bore much fruit shall receive a greater reward than those minimalist Christians who didn't bare much fruit. Likewise, the wicked who committed heinous sin will suffer greater burns in the lake of fire than those who's sin was less serious.

Just wanted to point out your error in thinking that dead people get another chance to repent and be saved, The Bible confirms that they don't.
You also seem to think that men only die once, but the Bible is against you there as well. The Bible speaks of two deaths, the first is in Adam (that's all of us) and the second is at the judgement, where sinners are cast into hell where they remain for all eternity and thewy never get another chance to repent and be saved.

Blessed are those who won't suffer the second death, for death has no power over us. We already posses eternal life, right now. God saves (quickens to life) His elect while we are in this body of death, He doesn't do it for anyone after they die their (bodily death). You seem to have confused spiritual death with bodily death.

 

[ProDeo]

Yep, just as I thought. There's not a single verse among them stating that a saved person can lose their salvation.

All you did was take verses out of their intended context and apply your unbiblical interpretation in an attempt to twist their meaning to make them say something entirely different to what they are actually saying, in order to make them support your private view.

You failed to make the distinction between those under the old covenant and the new covenant. In any case none of the verses from either covenant described saved people losing their salvation. All we have is a bunch of verses describing the two kinds of people, I mentioned in an earlier post.
You only have the elect of God, those whom God chose to save before He creaed the world, ad those whom He left dead in their sin. There is no third (free choice) group, you won't find them anywhere in the Bible. They only exist in the imagination of those who have embraced the false (Arminian) man made gospel.

You will never find a single verse in the Bible, that describes a saved person losing their salvation. I can list around 120 verses which clearly confirm this truth. But we don't need a truck load of verses to confirm or deny a simple doctrine, the fact that you had to paste so many shows that your argument is weak.

And you assumed the quoted passages by @LoveYeshua are about non born again Christians.

How do you know ?

 

[Taken]

Gods Word doesn't support your views, because they are contrary to what He has said.

My views were given, and supported according to Gods Word.

Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that the judgement of those who die is celestial trial of some sort. The bible doesn't describe it as such,

I didn’t speak to THAT point…
However Scripture Does.

* Records of Evidence precludes A Judgement.
* Gods Evidence…IS Recorded IN HIS BOOKS (records)
* The Accused Shall stand Before the Judge.
* The Books of Evidence are Opened.
* According TO the Evidence Revealed…
* The Judge Pronounces JUDGEMENT upon the Accused.

the Bible states that the coming judgement is a done deal.

Actually, Scripture Reveals, God IS ALL Knowing… human men ARE Not All Knowing.

Nothing NEW, is Revealed to God.
What “was, is, shall be”…is continuously Revealed / Manifested to Man!

There is nothing to examine or evaluate.

Yikes… You are projecting A Declarative Judgement AND Sentence IS carried out… “without Evidence Revealed or Considered”…

That is False…

God already knows who His children are, since He chose them before He created the world. So the judgement is simply a separation of the goats from the sheep. The goats will be cast into hell, where they will be tormented for all eternity, while the sheep inherit eternal life in in paradise.

What God Knows is not in debate.
When God Knew is not in debate.
* It is “some” men, who KNOW NOT, what “Evidence” is Against Them… UNTIL…
Gods Books OF Evidence ARE OPENED, Revealed, ARE the Facts, Truths, FOR each INDIVIDUALS “Judgement” the ”Judge Shall Pronounce.”

Regardless OF What, When, Gods Knows…
“Judgement” HAS NOT come to pass, been manifested, Yet Revealed.

So salvation and damnation are already a done deal, the judgement is simply a reward and punishment ceremony.

You completely Skip over… the JUST importance of Evidence Against “the Accused…
With the Lord God …AND…Without the Lord God”.

Just wanted to point out your error in thinking that dead people get another chance to repent and be saved,

What iS YOUR EVIDENCE, that I made that Claim?
Quote me.

You also seem to think that men only die once,

What is your Evidence that I made that Claim”?
Quote me.


Again make your Accusation against me, with My quote of Evidence, to prove YOUR Accusation.

 

[Christian Soldier]

And you assumed the quoted passages by @LoveYeshua are about non born again Christians.

How do you know ?

I know that for a fact, as none of the verses indicated that the warnings were for saved people. Most of them were describing people who claimed to be true believers, but they proved themselves to be reprobate in due course.

I reluctantly read through all of them, knowing full well that none of them would support @LoveYeshuas' unbiblical views. If any of them did confirm their doctrine, then it would mean that the entire Reformed Church teaches heresy.

The enemies of the truth would love to destroy Reformed Theology, as it's a constant thorn in the side of the Arminian Church. But that will never happen because Reformed Theology is Biblically sound. Nobody has managed to find any fault with it, even though they have been desperately trying for the past 500 years.

 

[ProDeo]

I know that for a fact, as none of the verses indicated that the warnings were for saved people. Most of them were describing people who claimed to be true believers, but they proved themselves to be reprobate in due course.

I reluctantly read through all of them, knowing full well that none of them would support @LoveYeshuas' unbiblical views. If any of them did confirm their doctrine, then it would mean that the entire Reformed Church teaches heresy.

The enemies of the truth would love to destroy Reformed Theology, as it's a constant thorn in the side of the Arminian Church. But that will never happen because Reformed Theology is Biblically sound. Nobody has managed to find any fault with it, even though they have been desperately trying for the past 500 years.

Aha, Reformed Theology.

I have been raised in a back then Calvinistic country. When I came to Christ I went to the Reformed church of my wife. Her father, my dear father in law was an elder and sometimes we had a discussion, and I said, I am saved, and he said no no no, you can't say that, nobody can know that, God decides who is elected. And I said, look here in the Bible, and there, and there, I believe what Jesus says..... But he kept shaking his head. And as a reformed believer he was right, it's what Reformed Theology teaches. And as a reformed believer he lived in fear, not knowing where he would end up after death. And on his death bed his eyes were full of fear, my wife praying with and for him, signing his favorite psalms. An awful sight it was.

So, as a Reformed believer I don't understand why you would even talk about a man-made doctrine like OSAS.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yeah, but not FOREVER.

'everlasting destruction' seem to me that is eternal
Now who here is promoting an idea that is a strange doctrine from what the church has taught for millennia?

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10 - New King James Version

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His...

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8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [a]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

some verses in the word 'everlasting'. Everlasting God, but not everlasting punishment, everlasting chains, everlasting life, everlasting kingdom, everlasting covenant, everlasting fire? And so on.
If God is everlasting, then God has the power to create everlasting conditions.


Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

1 Timothy 1:16
However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.

2 Peter 1:11
for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 13:20
Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1 Timothy 6:16
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

2 Thessalonians 2:16
Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace,

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people—

Romans 16:26
but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith—

Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Taken]

God sent Jesus to unite all things back to him. If Jesus is unsuccessful at doing so, regardless of the reason, then he FAILED. The theology of most of Christianity, including you, is that Jesus FAILS. Of course, Jesus said that the Gates of Hell will NOT prevent him from accomplishing his mission. You claim that Jesus is a LIAR because you say that he FAILS. See how that "liar" slur can cut both ways?

It is about Timing.
Long but Brief response.

@ProDeo


Faith is a Godly Gift, given for “Hearing”, the Word of God, while the mans “body” is Alive.

Salvation is a Godly Gift, promised for “Believing” while the mans “body” is Alive.

Salvation is a Godly Gift, given after the “Believing body HAS Died”.

A mans Bodily Death;
1) all men Shall bodily Die.
2) a man bodily dying (Believing IN God AND Gods Word / Before The Name of Gods Word was Revealed).
3) a man bodily dying (Believing IN Gods Word / called Jesus / but That Jesus IS NOT the Christ.)
4) a man bodily Alive;
-believing IN God,
-believing IN Jesus,
-believing Jesus IS The Christ,
-Confessing Their Belief To the Lord,
-Freely giving their body unto death (Crucified with Jesus’ body.)
-God searches their ( Heart / mans natural spirit/ ie. Truth)
-Truth of mans Confessed Belief Found…
-mans body death crucified with Jesus, accepted, by the Lord God Almighty.
-by, through, of Christ (Gods Power), man is THEN;
- - Sin Forgiven for (previously) having Not Believed.
- - soul saved.
- - Baptized with the Spirit of God.
- - mans heart circumcised. ( old natural truth cut off. )
- -new heart, new truth (Gods Truth), enters into new heart of man, plants Gods SEED, in mans new, heart. Mans spirit, becomes “born again”.
- - Gods Spirit WITH-IN the man, feeds mans new born again spirit… God Truth.
- - mans “dead crucified body” IS washed, cleansed, set aside (ie Sanctified), Justified (to be raised up Glorified), old Bodily ( now forgiven SIN, covered, with Gods Indwelling Light (Power), such Forgiven Sin, no longer Seen or Remembered, by God. Man can Never Again not believe (Sin against God).
- - mans IDENTITY (name) entered into the Lambs Book of Life. ( can Never be blotted out)
- - The Lord Prepares THAT mans “heavenly eternal place / home”
- - mans;
- - - body account-ED dead IN & with Christ
- - - soul sav-ED
- - - spirit quicken-ED ( born again)
- - - man account-ED (body, soul, spirit)…wholly, whole, holy…
- - - man “LIVES IN Christ Jesus’ Risen holy Body…UNTIL the Timing of his OWN body is “RAISED” glorified-ED.
- - - such man “called”… IN CHRIST

- - - - such man… BEFORE the Great Anger and Terrible Wrath and Tribulations (via a series of 21 Judgements) the Lord God sends Down upon the Whole Earth and alive inhabitants (who have rejected Choosing to Freely Make a Commitment of True Heartful Belief Unto and IN the Lord God Almighty)…
- - - - - CHRIST the Lord Jesus Claims, Redeems, Takes, Raises UP to Him ( in the clouds ABOVE the Earth )…All men … IN Christ…. THAT they, escape, do not suffer Gods Anger, Wrath, great and Terrible Judgements prepared FOR those NOT “committed” ( whose identity / names are not entered into the Lambs Book of Life) unto the Lord God…
Called Rapture.


- - - - - That IS THE Moment inTime… all men “IN- Christ”… are Risen UP (BY Christ the Lord) “IN” their OWN Glorified Bodys, indwellt with their own saved soul, their own born again spirit… and Forever with Christ the Lord Jesus, wherever “He” IS, Goes.


What about…men (not in Christ) DURING… Gods Tribulation Sent down from Heaven Upon the Inhabitants of the Whole Earth…??

During Judgements 1-14… men upon the Earth…( not believing…. Believing but not heartfully believing or committed… have opportunity TO confess to God, IF they truly Believe…and Willing to Bodily die for Their Belief…
God is Just… He shall Save Their soul…Judge them, to be Raise in their own “glorified body”… Timing… First Resurrection…After “their”Judgement.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[LoveYeshua]

Yep, just as I thought. There's not a single verse among them stating that a saved person can lose their salvation.

All you did was take verses out of their intended context and apply your unbiblical interpretation in an attempt to twist their meaning to make them say something entirely different to what they are actually saying, in order to make them support your private view.

You failed to make the distinction between those under the old covenant and the new covenant. In any case none of the verses from either covenant described saved people losing their salvation. All we have is a bunch of verses describing the two kinds of people, I mentioned in an earlier post.
You only have the elect of God, those whom God chose to save before He creaed the world, ad those whom He left dead in their sin. There is no third (free choice) group, you won't find them anywhere in the Bible. They only exist in the imagination of those who have embraced the false (Arminian) man made gospel.

You will never find a single verse in the Bible, that describes a saved person losing their salvation. I can list around 120 verses which clearly confirm this truth. But we don't need a truck load of verses to confirm or deny a simple doctrine, the fact that you had to paste so many shows that your argument is weak.

Have it your way, it's your choice!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God is not the One being tricked in to turning away from the Lord to live in sin.

The bottom line is the OSAS message teaches people that if they were to go back and live in sin they would still be saved which is false doctrine.

Your right God said those born of God can not turn away and live in sin.. they would never have any desire too. they were made new creatures.

And no. OSAS does not teach this. it teaches no one WOULD

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I see the ferris wheel that the OSAS fans boys are on where they regurgitate the devil's lies continually.

lol. No pride here

No, I'm not a fan of checking out the stiffs.

I'm with Jesus, He said "Let the dead bury the dead"

if you were with Jesus you would not preach Jesus can not change people. and save people completely. And let go of your own self.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Correct, salvation is conditional.

Which of course WHY the whole OSAS thing is false doctrine.

then it is not of grace. it is of works.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So Jesus fails to unite all things back to God the Father? Is Jesus too uncaring to unite all things back to our Father or simply incapable of persuading everybody to do so?

universalism is a lie.

He who does not believe is condemned already.. once you pass from this life. there is no chance of repentance.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So it's your theology that Jesus fails. Ok.

Who said Jesus fails?

What is his will? is it not that of the fathers

that all who believe will live forever.

and all who fail to repent and come to faith is lost?

Jesus did not fail. He died for them, they rejected him, He did not reject them

 

[Scott Downey]

Have it your way, it's your choice!

I like simple doctrines like those of the 'elect', and being chosen, and everlasting consolation.
God is eternal, has eternal foreknowledge, eternal purposes and is not leaving anything to random chance.

Such as this

Isaiah 46
8 “Remember this, and [b]show yourselves men;
Recall to mind, O you transgressors.

9 Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’

11 Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it;
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it;
I will also do it.

12 “Listen to Me, you stubborn-hearted,
Who are far from righteousness:
13 I bring My righteousness near, it shall not be far off;
My salvation shall not [c]linger.
And I will place salvation in Zion,
For Israel My glory.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Since God declares the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,

And
Romans 4:17
(as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

Verses like those very much make good sense to me as to calling, election, chosen and purposes of God towards us who then therefore believe.
And keep looking for the mercy of the Lord unto eternal life
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2 Timothy 2
8 Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel, 9 for which I suffer trouble as an evildoer, even to the point of chains; but the word of God is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the [c]elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11 This is a faithful saying:

For if we died with Him,
We shall also live with Him.
12 If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
13 If we are faithless,
He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2 Timothy 1

Greeting​

1 Paul, an apostle of [a]Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

2 To Timothy, a beloved son:

Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Timothy’s Faith and Heritage​

3 I thank God, whom I serve with a pure conscience, as my forefathers did, as without ceasing I remember you in my prayers night and day, 4 greatly desiring to see you, being mindful of your tears, that I may be filled with joy, 5 when I call to remembrance the [b]genuine faith that is in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded is in you also. 6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Not Ashamed of the Gospel​

8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,

9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher [c]of the Gentiles.

12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.

Be Loyal to the Faith​

13 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

15 This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me, among whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. 16 The Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain; 17 but when he arrived in Rome, he sought me out very zealously and found me. 18 The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day—and you know very well how many ways he ministered [d]to me at Ephesus.

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 1 - New King James Version

Greeting - Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, To Timothy, a beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. Timothy’s Faith and Heritage - I thank God, whom I serve with a pure...

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[LoveYeshua]

And you assumed the quoted passages by @LoveYeshua are about non born again Christians.

How do you know ?

I confirm for born again christian and christians in general.