Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[NotTheRock]

That's rich coming from someone who lacks honor and respect for the Lord Jesus and does not believe He speaks Truth.

It's way past time to implement the "ignore" feature. Goodbye.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It's way past time to implement the "ignore" feature. Goodbye.

Ignoring what Jesus says ends badly.

 

[Pearl]

I base my belief in OSAS on the Parable of the Prodigal Son. That father never stopped loving his son and longing for him to come back. He didn't disown his wayward son. His son was his son even though he had turned his back on his father. This was Jesus way of showing us that once we are rebirthed spiritually we become his children and will always be his children even if we sin against Him as the prodigal sinned against his earthly father.

I see that there are some who doubt this as evidence of OSAS but I believe it. If it doesn't point to OSAS what does Jesus mean by it?

 

[NotTheRock]

I base my belief in OSAS on the Parable of the Prodigal Son. That father never stopped loving his son and longing for him to come back. He didn't disown his wayward son. His son was his son even though he had turned his back on his father. This was Jesus way of showing us that once we are rebirthed spiritually we become his children and will always be his children even if we sin against Him as the prodigal sinned against his earthly father.

Here's the dilemma. Let's say that a child is raised in a Christian home and in every way is a child of God. However, upon reaching adulthood, they go out into the world and live an extremely sinful lifestyle. They no longer pray to God and even question if he even exists. They become a heroin dealer to help support their own habit. In a drug deal gone bad, they end up murdering someone before being shot dead themselves at the tender age of 21.

Is it your belief that they're going straight to Heaven? Of course, only Jesus can and will judge. Mainstream Christianity teaches that, if they're sent to the Lake of Fire, it's FOREVER. However, it is clear to me that the LOF is only temporary and while it is punitive in nature it is punitive for the purpose of purification and restoration. That's why I voted "no" regarding OSAS because I believe that believers CAN lose their salvation from the LOF and end up going there but only temptation. I can share with you a plethora of scriptures that demonstrates that the LOF can NOT be forever. Here are some of them.

Isaiah 52:10

The Lord has bared his holy arm before the eyes of all the nations and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.



Titus 2:11

11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,



Luke 19:10 ESV

"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”



1 John 4:14

14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.



1 Timothy 4:10

For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.



Lamentations 3:31

For the Lord will not cast off forever



Romans 5:18

Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.



1 Corinthians 15:22

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.



Romans 11:32

For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.



John 12:32

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”



Revelation 21:5

And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”



2 Corinthians 5:19

that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.



John 6:51

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”



2 Corinthians 5:14-15

For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.



Colossians 1:20

and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.



John 3:17

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.



Luke 3:6

and all flesh shall see the salvation of God



Philippians 2:10-11

so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



Romans 10:9

because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.



2 Samuel 14:14

We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.



Ephesians 1:10

As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.



John 1:29

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"



1 Corinthians 15:22-28

22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I base my belief in OSAS on the Parable of the Prodigal Son. That father never stopped loving his son and longing for him to come back. He didn't disown his wayward son. His son was his son even though he had turned his back on his father. This was Jesus way of showing us that once we are rebirthed spiritually we become his children and will always be his children even if we sin against Him as the prodigal sinned against his earthly father.

The Father said his son was dead while he was gone and only considered him alive again once he returned.

So the question is when someone backslides, having chosen to turn away from the Lord rejecting Him - if he dies living in sin is the guy still going to Heaven?

If the answer is yes, then this is saying it's all good to go ahead and live in sin all we want making the Lord into the minister of sin

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Here's the dilemma. Let's say that a child is raised in a Christian home and in every way is a child of God. However, upon reaching adulthood, they go out into the world and live an extremely sinful lifestyle. They no longer pray to God and even question if he even exists. They become a heroin dealer to help support their own habit. In a drug deal gone bad, they end up murdering someone before being shot dead themselves at the tender age of 21.

Is it your belief that they're going straight to Heaven? Of course, only Jesus can and will judge. Mainstream Christianity teaches that, if they're sent to the Lake of Fire, it's FOREVER. However, it is clear to me that the LOF is only temporary and while it is punitive in nature it is punitive for the purpose of purification and restoration. That's why I voted "no" regarding OSAS because I believe that believers CAN lose their salvation from the LOF and end up going there but only temptation. I can share with you a plethora of scriptures that demonstrates that the LOF can NOT be forever.

All a moot point for the universalist

Universalists should be honest and tell people they believe it's OK to live in sin because in the end the universalist claims all will be saved even the devil and his demons

 

[Pearl]

Here's the dilemma. Let's say that a child is raised in a Christian home and in every way is a child of God.

A person cannot become a child of God simply by being brought up in a home with Christian parents. Until they that son or daughter make their own decision to accept Jesus as their Saviour they are not spiritually rebirthed and not God's child.

 

[NotTheRock]

A person cannot become a child of God simply by being brought up in a home with Christian parents. Until they that son or daughter make their own decision to accept Jesus as their Saviour they are not spiritually rebirthed and not God's child.

What I was describing was a person who abandoned the faith.

Did you see the scriptures that I shared?

 

[Nancy]

I have been to many churches. A regular Church for regular folks is not the place for an ex hardened prisoner. There are churches that would make your friend welcome. Just as there are biker churches for outlaw bikers that have changed. Your friend needs ex prisoner churches that understand and are made up of ex prisoners. They bind together with a common bond that, regular people can't relate to. He needs to start there first and after a few years of growth as a Christian, move to regular churches.

Should ex-alcoholics and ex-gays, so on an so forth also gather ONLY with those who came out of those things?

Ephesians 4:4​

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;”

 

[Rockerduck]

Should ex-alcoholics and ex-gays, so on an so forth also gather ONLY with those who came out of those things?

Ephesians 4:4​

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;”

When I say regular folks. a functioning alcoholic is regular because he functions in society, same with gays. I interacted with many. They are not hardened criminals. Even a prostitute functions in society. The problem with them is not to assume regular people understand, so it's best to get to know people well before revealing their former selves. But to another point, only another Christian former gay man can understand another former gay man. they need to walk slowly into a straight lifestyle. There are support groups for this, as well as for the former drinkers. Its called Celebrate recovery.

 

[Rockerduck]

What I was describing was a person who abandoned the faith.

Did you see the scriptures that I shared?

Many Pastors kids who grew up in church, never became born again Christians. They never had the faith to walk away from.

 

[Taken]

It's apparent from other scriptures that Jesus is able to purify them later so that they can enter Heaven at a later time.

Lamentations 3:31
For the Lord will not cast off forever

You can open eyes, open ears… all day long men willingly Reject God, and many shout it out, boldly testifying as a badge of their pride.

Ecc 3:
[1] To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
[2] A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
[3] A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
[4] A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
[5] A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
[6] A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
[7] A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
[8] A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
[9] What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
[10] I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
[11] He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
[12] I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
[13] And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
[16] And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
[17] I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Who knows a man’s True Heartful Beliefs??
God and the man.

No surprise to God or the man…IF they shall or shall Not spend Eternity Together.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Many Pastors kids who grew up in church, never became born again Christians. They never had the faith to walk away from.

And other got born again, walked with the Lord for a while, fell away and sadly ended up in hell

 

[NotTheRock]

No surprise to God or the man…IF they shall or shall Not spend Eternity Together.

Glory to God,
Taken

So you also believe that Jesus fails in his mission for God.

 

[MatthewG]

I've heard it said, people look on the outside appearance, but God look at the heart.



Looking good doesn't mean anything. So, I would say, Yahavah will judge them as I can't read the heart.



Whats in ones heart?

Do you continue to have faith every single day? I don't know.


There are people who are of faith, and then walk away from it.


My conclusion, is no.

 

[Taken]

So you also believe that Jesus fails in his mission for God.

No, not at all.
Jesus’ mission / Service was /is the same as men “IN” Christ which IS to Speak, Share the Word of God.

It Was NOT Jesus’ mission nor a man IN Christs’s mission TO Force anyone to Believe.

 

[Rockerduck]

So you also believe that Jesus fails in his mission for God.

Every bible verse you can come up with that says "all", just add on the end, "that accepts Christ as Savior". It is God that choses those to be saved. John 10:29

 

[NotTheRock]

It Was NOT Jesus’ mission nor a man IN Christs’s mission TO Force anyone to Believe.

Oh is that what I said?

 

[Taken]

Oh is that what I said?

Look again. That is what I said, quoted and agree with.