Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Christian Soldier]

YIKES man…you are off the rails!

Reject your foolishness, your foolish opinion, your foolish teaching.

Eph 5:2
…hath given himself for us an offering …

Heb 7:27
…he offered up himself…

Heb 9:28
…Christ was offered…

Heb 10:10
…Offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Given Himself for "US" you fail to identify who the "US" it's all very well to throw verses around, but the problem is you don't know who they are about. You foolishly believe that the "US" means Judas Iscariot, Lucifer and Co......\

Man your interpretation of scripture is twisted, beyond recognition. You always twist every verse to make it say something entirely different in a vein attempt to justify your doctrine of demons.

You always superimpose your demonic word over Gods Word, and God promised to cast those who do this into the lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity.

Who was the body of Christ offered???????????????? answer, you wouldn't have a clue. So you're abusing gods Word to push your demonic doctrine

 

[Taken]

At no time did Christ ever make any offer to anyone.

Eph 5:2
…hath given himself for us an offering …

Heb 7:27
…he offered up himself…

Heb 9:28
…Christ was offered…

you fail to identify who the "US"

Your claim JESUS did not Offer was False.

Your ASKING WHO is “US” Jesus made an OFFER TO…
Was already Provided!
Here again…

Heb 10:10
…Offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Your claim:

“demonic doctrine”

Plainly OBVIOUS you are Not Equipped to Trust the Word of God, and ATTEMT to BLAME another For your OWN IGNORANCE!

THAT the Lord OFFERS…is a TRUTH….YOU REJECTED.

WHAT the Lord OFFERS, is the Lords ACTION… PERIOD.

To WHOM the Lord OFFERS, is the Lords TRUTH….PERIOD.

THAT the Lord OFFERED TO ALL…is a TRUTH…YOU REJECTED.

THAT YOU go off the rails insisting THE Lords OFFERING TO those AGAINST Him IS “Demonic Doctrine”…

You masquerading AS a “soldier FOR Christ”, WHILE REJECTING His TRUTH…
“IS Fooling No One, who IS “IN Christ.”

 

[Christian Soldier]

Eph 5:2
…hath given himself for us an offering …

Heb 7:27
…he offered up himself…

Heb 9:28
…Christ was offered…




Your claim JESUS did not Offer was False.

Your ASKING WHO is “US” Jesus made an OFFER TO…
Was already Provided!
Here again…

Heb 10:10
…Offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Your claim:



Plainly OBVIOUS you are Not Equipped to Trust the Word of God, and ATTEMT to BLAME another For your OWN IGNORANCE!

THAT the Lord OFFERS…is a TRUTH….YOU REJECTED.

WHAT the Lord OFFERS, is the Lords ACTION… PERIOD.

To WHOM the Lord OFFERS, is the Lords TRUTH….PERIOD.

THAT the Lord OFFERED TO ALL…is a TRUTH…YOU REJECTED.

THAT YOU go off the rails insisting THE Lords OFFERING TO those AGAINST Him IS “Demonic Doctrine”…

You masquerading AS a “soldier FOR Christ”, WHILE REJECTING His TRUTH…
“IS Fooling No One, who IS “IN Christ.”

You're still refusing to identify who those mysterious "US" are in Eph. 5:2 why don't you reveal it if you think you know, or at least admit that you are clueless and save yourself the embarrassment of coming across as a fool trying to convince someone who knows the truth that you know it when it's painful obvious to me that you are nowhere near the truth. And you have come under strong delusion.

Are those "us" you keep referring to, people like Judas Iscariot and Adolf Hitler????

Who is Christ offering Himself up to in Heb 7:27 is He offering Himself to Satan, Judas Iscariot, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Co. See, you throw verses around but you're clueless as to who they're about. That distorts your theological view o the point of total blindness.

I'm not blaming you for being deluded and deceived, I blame your teachers. The good news is, it's not too late to learn the truth, but you would need to ask God to open your (spiritual eyes) to the truth.

Heb 10:10 does not answer my question of who the "us" are, as it has no relevance at all. It says He was offered, "once and for all", doesn't mean that He was offered to save everyone. It's saying His atonement was a once and for all time deal, that doesn't need to be repeated regularly like the Roam Catholic mass insists. They sacrifice Christ during every single ritual (mass).

In any case Christ never offered His body up to anyone, except His Father. His Father demanded pure innocent blood for the remission of the sins of His elect. So Jesus said, "all that the Father gives Me shall be saved", who are the "all that the Father gives Me", it's certainly not the "Us" you were suggesting it was. No it was a specific number of soul which God chose to save before He created the world.
We are the "Elect of God" we are the "us' and I don't know if you are one, but if your name is in the Lambs book of life, you shall be saved no matter what, and nothing can snatch you out of the father hand because nobody is stronger than Him.

I love correction, so if you could please show me where I have misunderstood or misapplied Gods Word, I would be very keen to be shown. But please use scripture, rather than personal opinions

 

[Taken]

You're still refusing to identify who those mysterious "US" are in Eph. 5:2

Was Told to you;
Was shown you in Scripture more than once;
That the Lord Offers;
WHO The Lord Offers To;
is Not a mystery…

ALL

Your Blindness, Your Ignorance, Your false Accusations to Blame your Ignorance on others … ARE OLD, Not my Job to FIX, and To the MAX BORING.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thanks for your response.

Why would the all knowing God, save a soul, Give His Seed to birth the man a new spirit… to later be Fooled by the men who end up Rejecting God?
Do you believe men can Fool / Trick God?

Do i beleive that men can fool or trick GOD . ABSOLUTELY NOT .
but they darn sure can fool and deceive themselves . Too many follow another jesus
another god and another love .
MIGHT I suggest , ONCE AGAIN , bible time in the house . believe every warning to every promise .
use them all for good of the church as well . YEAH , lets try doing just that for a while .

 

[Taken]

You're still refusing to identify who those mysterious "US" are in Eph. 5:2 .

Scripture Reveals The Lord Gods Offering is TO and For “ALL”…
Which you Rejected.

Now you want to Know… WHO is “US” in Eph 5:2 … that is a MYSTERY to you.

Good Grief, Why don’t you actually READ Ephesians and Discover what mystifies you?

Not a mystery… Us is the predestine!

Eph 1: 5
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

 

[Taken]

Do i beleive that men can fool or trick GOD . ABSOLUTELY NOT .
but they darn sure can fool and deceive themselves . Too many follow another jesus
another god and another love .

Agree.

 

[amigo de christo]

Agree.

So why do many now heed men of interfaith .
I promise us all JESUS would NEVER have had anything to do with it
CEPT TO EXPOSE IT . I come to remind us all
THESE darn sure are the last days and hours .
But friend dont weep for me . weep for the lost .
Cause THANKS BE TO GOD , TO HIS CHRIST , to HIS MERCY AND GRACE given me
in CHRIST ,
FRIEND this sheep has a whole new HOME known as paradise to look forward to at my end .
AND as i just wrote , It aint me i thank , ITS CHRIST JESUS
cause i earned the lake of fire MORE THAN MOST . JESUS preaching TIME in the building .
ON those feet solider , a false gospel called love has and is taking over
MUCH of even christendom . And we both know another gospel AINT SAVING SQUAT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Scripture Reveals The Lord Gods Offering is TO and For “ALL”…
Which you Rejected.

Now you want to Know… WHO is “US” in Eph 5:2 … that is a MYSTERY to you.

Good Grief, Why don’t you actually READ Ephesians and Discover what mystifies you?

Not a mystery… Us is the predestine!

Eph 1: 5
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

try being just a bit more specific and clear .
The US , are those WHOSE FAITH BE IN HE WHO GOD PREDETERMINED WOULD BE THE SAVOIR .
AKA , the elect of GOD , THOSE WHOSE FAITH BE IN CHRIST JESUS .
GOD chose WHO and HOW to save this world .
JESUS the GLORIOUS CHRIST OF GOD , WORD OF GOD and HIS WORD BE GOD .
Man cant save squat let alone himself .
But sheep they KNOW WHO SAVES and they preach THAT GLORIOUS NAME and HIS LOVELY words of truth .
HOW did GOD choose to save .
FOR it pleased GOD by the preaching of that there lovely gospel
To save those who .......................fill in the blank taken . WHO BELEIVE . i shun interfaith interreligious anti christ
common ground doctrine to hades . THIS SHEEP gonna preach JESUS
and if the world and united religoins hate me , THEN SOBE IT . AT LEAST I PREACHED THE ONLY NAME that saves .

 

[Marvelloustime]

try being just a bit more specific and clear .
The US , are those WHOSE FAITH BE IN HE WHO GOD PREDETERMINED WOULD BE THE SAVOIR .
AKA , the elect of GOD , THOSE WHOSE FAITH BE IN CHRIST JESUS .
GOD chose WHO and HOW to save this world .
JESUS the GLORIOUS CHRIST OF GOD , WORD OF GOD and HIS WORD BE GOD .
Man cant save squat let alone himself .
But sheep they KNOW WHO SAVES and they preach THAT GLORIOUS NAME and HIS LOVELY words of truth .
HOW did GOD choose to save .
FOR it pleased GOD by the preaching of that there lovely gospel
To save those who .......................fill in the blank taken . WHO BELEIVE . i shun interfaith interreligious anti christ
common ground doctrine to hades . THIS SHEEP gonna preach JESUS
and if the world and united religoins hate me , THEN SOBE IT . AT LEAST I PREACHED THE ONLY NAME that saves .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

So why do many now heed men of interfaith .
I promise us all JESUS would NEVER have had anything to do with it
CEPT TO EXPOSE IT . I come to remind us all
THESE darn sure are the last days and hours .
But friend dont weep for me . weep for the lost .
Cause THANKS BE TO GOD , TO HIS CHRIST , to HIS MERCY AND GRACE given me
in CHRIST ,
FRIEND this sheep has a whole new HOME known as paradise to look forward to at my end .
AND as i just wrote , It aint me i thank , ITS CHRIST JESUS
cause i earned the lake of fire MORE THAN MOST . JESUS preaching TIME in the building .
ON those feet solider , a false gospel called love has and is taking over
MUCH of even christendom . And we both know another gospel AINT SAVING SQUAT .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Do i beleive that men can fool or trick GOD . ABSOLUTELY NOT .
but they darn sure can fool and deceive themselves . Too many follow another jesus
another god and another love .
MIGHT I suggest , ONCE AGAIN , bible time in the house . believe every warning to every promise .
use them all for good of the church as well . YEAH , lets try doing just that for a while .

Do i beleive that men can fool or trick GOD . ABSOLUTELY NOT .
but they darn sure can fool and deceive themselves . Too many follow another jesus
another god and another love .
MIGHT I suggest , ONCE AGAIN , bible time in the house . believe every warning to every promise .
use them all for good of the church as well . YEAH , let’s try doing just that for a while .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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let every GOD inspired word be our meat sister . the sheep wont feast
from the table of the harlot .

 

[Christian Soldier]

Was Told to you;
Was shown you in Scripture more than once;
That the Lord Offers;
WHO The Lord Offers To;
is Not a mystery…

ALL

Your Blindness, Your Ignorance, Your false Accusations to Blame your Ignorance on others … ARE OLD, Not my Job to FIX, and To the MAX BORING.

All of whom, see you're back to square one again. All can't mean all, otherwise God is a liar. So you need to figure out who the ALL are.
It obviously doesn't mean everyone without exception, because we know God didn't choose to save everyone without exception. He only chose to save His elect, so He wrote our names in the Lambs book of life.

If you cared to do a quick study, you would find that all those verses you tried to apply to everyone including Judas Iscariot and every other reprobate, doesn't make any sense.

All of those verses were spoken to the Jews, in other words (Gods chosen people). At the time the verses were spoken, the Jews didn't believe that any Gentiles could be saved. They believed that only they are Gods people and only they would be saved.

This is why all the writers of those verses, kept on stipulating that God will save all ethnic groups from every tongue and tribe, in other words God's elect come from the whole world, it never says every person.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Scripture Reveals The Lord Gods Offering is TO and For “ALL”…
Which you Rejected.

Now you want to Know… WHO is “US” in Eph 5:2 … that is a MYSTERY to you.

Good Grief, Why don’t you actually READ Ephesians and Discover what mystifies you?

Not a mystery… Us is the predestine!

Eph 1: 5
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

I nearly fell of my chair, reading the above. I never thought I'd hear you mention the doctrine of predestination, which is closely related to election.

Reading that made my day, even though Eph 1:5 are not your words, I give you credit for quoting it. I'm starting to wonder if I got you wrong, from the beginning, maybe I simply misunderstood you all along.

I any case I respect anyone who believes that the Bible is Gods inspired Word.

 

[Taken]

All can't mean all, otherwise God is a liar.

How do you conclude That?

 

[Christian Soldier]

How do you conclude That?

If the Lord Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, and then turns around and casts the majority of those He died for into hell, then He is a liar for claiming to have died for them.

you don't give your life to save someone and then condemn that same person to spend eternity in hell. Only an evil person would do such a thing.

 

[Taken]

If the Lord Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, and then turns around and casts the majority of those He died for into hell, then He is a liar for claiming to have died for them.

you don't give your life to save someone and then condemn that same person to spend eternity in hell. Only an evil person would do such a thing.

Disagree.

First you change…
Jesus gave His Life “For”…
To saying:
Jesus gave His Life “To”…

What Jesus DID was one thing.
What men DO is another thing.

* Jesus PAID the PRICE (for All men To Spiritually Live “their” Life Forever).

* Done Deal…Once and Forever, Jesus Paid the Price.

* Jesus “Offered” “ALL” the “Gift” He Paid for, For All.

* How IS (according to you) Jesus a “LIAR”, when individual men …
Reject, Refuse, To Take “Their Gift” Jesus Bought “FOR THEM”?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Disagree.

First you change…
Jesus gave His Life “For”…
To saying:
Jesus gave His Life “To”…

What Jesus DID was one thing.
What men DO is another thing.

* Jesus PAID the PRICE (for All men To Spiritually Live “their” Life Forever).

* Done Deal…Once and Forever, Jesus Paid the Price.

* Jesus “Offered” “ALL” the “Gift” He Paid for, For All.

* How IS (according to you) Jesus a “LIAR”, when individual men …
Reject, Refuse, To Take “Their Gift” Jesus Bought “FOR THEM”?

The problem with that view, is the Bible doesn't support it at all. You have taken all of the scriptures which use words like "us" "we" "all" "whosoever" "world", out of their intended context and applied the unbiblical "free choice" doctrine to them.

Lets consider who those scriptures were spoken to, they were never spoken to unbelievers and they were always spoken to the "Jews" "the chosen people", who believed that they were the only ones God chose to save.

They need to be told and reminded over and over again that Jesus came to save "whosoever believed" not just the Jews. They needed to hear that Gods elect are in the "whole world", not just Israel. They need to hear that Jesus came to save "all" kinds of people, not just Jews.

They need to hear that Gods elect would come from every tribe and tongue from every corner of the world, not just the Jews. When John 3:16 mentions the "whosoever", it's not saying all men without exception, as the "free choice" camp claims.

Why did Jesus say, in John 17:9, "I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours."

If Jesus came to die for everyone, without exception as you suggest. Why doesn't He pray for everyone, without exception. Why does He only pray for those His Father gave Him (the elect).

I'm sure Jesus would be aware of the fact that His Father chose the elect, before the world was created. So Jesus knows that God never chose to save everyone without exception.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

John 15:16
You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

Matthew 1:21
She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Romans 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

John 6:37-40
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

These are just a few verses, which the "free choice" doctrine cannot be applied to. I don't see how you can justify holding to that Arminian theology when so many scriptures confirm that God is the One who chose His people before time began. There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that anyone else's name was added after God created the world.

Every last person whom God chose to save, before He laid the foundations of the earth are in the Lambs book of life. The book was closed and no man can force Gods hand to add their name.

 

[KUWN]

The only way I see it is that if a believer sinned by rejecting God's offer of salvation, he could be removed from the body of Christ. Of course this would be a huge sin. And here is the crux: sin does not eternally condemn us. Christ paid for all sins, not most sins, and rejecting God's offer of salvation (after professing Christ) does not mean the individual's eternal salvation can be undone.

In fact, Paul tells Timothy (2 Tim 2.13) that if a believer turns out to be unfaithful, he is still saved. God can not deny himself.

Remember that we are already seated with Christ in the heavenly (Eph 2.6) realms. Can you imagine having God telling you that you will have to leave heaven? Believers don't sin in heaven. Sin while on earth only deals with our time on earth. All sin on earth has temporary consequences. Look at the consequences for Adam and Eve's sin after disobeying God. Note there were no ETERNAL consequences to their sin, all consequences of sin are an issue while alive on the earth, once dead, sins no longer are an issue (Christ paid for all the sins).

Too tired to finish this post.