Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Behold]

In fact, Paul tells Timothy (2 Tim 2.13) that if a believer turns out to be unfaithful, he is still saved. God can not deny himself.

God does not charge sin against the Born again..

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

Why not?

"Jesus is the ONE TIME ETERNAL sacrifice........for sin".

The born again are "not under the Law, but Under Grace".

= "where there is NO LAW, ... there is no sin (Transgression).

 

[Taken]

The problem with that view, is the Bible doesn't support it at all.

False.

You have taken all of the scriptures which use words like "us" "we" "all" "whosoever" "world", out of their intended context

False.

and applied the unbiblical
"free choice" doctrine to them.

Free choice…biblical…Yes.
unbiblical?… No.
Freely Applied To THAT Which it Expressly Applies TO?
YES.

Scripture Applies to those Specifically “Identified”…in the TEXT;
by name, by belief, by description…

YOU and Every Other individual …freely Chooses… by THEIR Belief “being the Same’ to be “included” or “not”.

You do Not get to Decide or Dictate what does or does NOT Apply to Another.

Only The Lord God and the INDIVIDUAL Truly knows their hearts Belief.

When Scripture is Expressly Jew speaking to Jews… saying “we”… it doesn’t concern a non-Jew.
When the Topic expands beyond race (Jew or Gentile) to The subject matter of Belief, belief IN what…the individual non-Jew freely decides IF the belief discussed IS applicable to him or not.

You presume All scripture applies to Everyone… it Doesn’t.

 

[Taken]

Every last person whom God chose to save, before He laid the foundations of the earth are in the Lambs book of life. The book was closed and no man can force Gods hand to add their name.

Disagree.
Rather…
Scripture teaches…

“Gods Book of Life”, IS Gods Record of All Humans ever having experienced LIFE.
That Book has ALL humans Names Recorded, from Before manKIND WAS or IS procreated, manifested.

“OF” All such Identities (names) … some names:
“Shall Be” blotted out.
“Shall Remain”.

God Already KNOWS whose Name “shall be”blotted out or remain.
Men DO NOT Already Know.

“SHALL Be Blotted out”… is At the moment a mans BODY is physically Dead… and that man, Did NOT Believe IN God, When his Body Died.

”The Lambs Book of Life” is another Book, recording the Names OF the Righteous.
Their names ARE written IN THAT Book (IF and WHEN) a Living man “receives the Baptism OF the “Lamb of God”!

Once their Name is WRITTEN IN ”The Lambs Book of Life”….
That name “ can never be blotted out

You not recognizing the TWO different BOOKS… leads you to a faulty conclusion…and false accusations against others with greater understanding than you.

 

[Toro55]

Remember what Jesus said make sure no one is there with something against you when you face Christ such as a murder victim or a rape victim etc - who will be there crying out for Justice.Make peace and restitution now.

How many claim innocents through lawyers getting them off from punishment best to accept it then claim a false innocence if you value your soul.

Justice will be served like it or not.

 

[PS95]

God does not charge sin against the Born again..

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

Why not?

"Jesus is the ONE TIME ETERNAL sacrifice........for sin".

The born again are "not under the Law, but Under Grace".

= "where there is NO LAW, ... there is no sin (Transgression).

WRONG! We are to repent of sins after we accept Jesus as Savior.
Only in the Spirit can we put to death the deeds of the flesh.
Jesus did not die for you to leave you in your sins. Those who practice sins will not be in the Kingdom of God and Christ.

For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.
1 Thes 4:2-8

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, / nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Cor 6

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. --Galatians 5:19-21

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; / each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, / not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thes 4:3-5

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. / Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. Ro 6:12-13

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Ro 8:13

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. --Colossians 3:5

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? Ro 6:16


Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. / Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh. Ro 13

Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:6

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Ro 6:13

 

[Christian Soldier]

The only way I see it is that if a believer sinned by rejecting God's offer of salvation, he could be removed from the body of Christ. Of course this would be a huge sin. And here is the crux: sin does not eternally condemn us. Christ paid for all sins, not most sins, and rejecting God's offer of salvation (after professing Christ) does not mean the individual's eternal salvation can be undone.

In fact, Paul tells Timothy (2 Tim 2.13) that if a believer turns out to be unfaithful, he is still saved. God can not deny himself.

Remember that we are already seated with Christ in the heavenly (Eph 2.6) realms. Can you imagine having God telling you that you will have to leave heaven? Believers don't sin in heaven. Sin while on earth only deals with our time on earth. All sin on earth has temporary consequences. Look at the consequences for Adam and Eve's sin after disobeying God. Note there were no ETERNAL consequences to their sin, all consequences of sin are an issue while alive on the earth, once dead, sins no longer are an issue (Christ paid for all the sins).

Too tired to finish this post.

Your opinions here are based on your private views, but they all contradict what God has said about the matter. You're relying on your own wisdom and judgement, to form your unbiblical contradictory doctrines.

When did God ever offer salvation to someone?, answer - never!. You won't find a single verse in the bible to support this heresy.

Where does the bible say that a someone could be removed from the Body of Christ??? Answer - Nowhere, you just made that up as well.

All of Gods elect are faithless, but thank God our salvation is not dependant on our faithfulness, but it is dependant on our Lord and saviours faithfulness. So you have twisted 2 Tim 2:13 to force it into your heretical doctrine.

Where does the bible say that "sin does not eternally condemn us"?, Answer - Nowhere, you just made that up as well. I couldn't find a single verse which supports this heretical doctrine either. To the contrary, I found that sin has eternal consciences, where the sinner is tormented in hell fire for all eternity. So that destroys your heresy right there.

Where does the bible say that Christ paid for "all sins"??? ASWER - Nowhere. Again you just made that up to support your strawman.

Where does the bible say that a person can reject Gods offer of salvation, (after professing Christ) does not mean that the individuals eternal salvation can be undone??? Answer - Nowhere, you made that up, just as you make everything else up.

You are not already seated in the heavenly places at all, you're not omniscient. You can't be here on earth and in heaven at the same time, that's just crazy.

 

[Christian Soldier]

False.



False.



Free choice…biblical…Yes.
unbiblical?… No.
Freely Applied To THAT Which it Expressly Applies TO?
YES.

Scripture Applies to those Specifically “Identified”…in the TEXT;
by name, by belief, by description…

YOU and Every Other individual …freely Chooses… by THEIR Belief “being the Same’ to be “included” or “not”.

You do Not get to Decide or Dictate what does or does NOT Apply to Another.

Only The Lord God and the INDIVIDUAL Truly knows their hearts Belief.

When Scripture is Expressly Jew speaking to Jews… saying “we”… it doesn’t concern a non-Jew.
When the Topic expands beyond race (Jew or Gentile) to The subject matter of Belief, belief IN what…the individual non-Jew freely decides IF the belief discussed IS applicable to him or not.

You presume All scripture applies to Everyone… it Doesn’t.

whilst you're entitled to express your private opinion (which is evidentially based on feelings and emotions), they are of no value at all, because they are empty, baseless and untrue.

The sad truth, which you need to come to terms with is, that your private opinion is worth 1 vote in 8 billion. Those odds just don't stack up for me, I prefer putting my faith in the truth, rather than your incoherent, unbiblical, unreliable and downright false views.

Unlike yourself, I don't have any opinions and I'm not here to express any private opinions. My comments are based on the Word of God, so I always qualify my statements with the Word of God. But you can't do that because, the Word of God is contrary to your opinions and theories.

I would appreciate it if you could make reference to the sources of your information. I'd like to know what you base your opinions and views on, so if you include bible verses with your comments, it would be very helpful.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Disagree.
Rather…
Scripture teaches…

“Gods Book of Life”, IS Gods Record of All Humans ever having experienced LIFE.
That Book has ALL humans Names Recorded, from Before manKIND WAS or IS procreated, manifested.

“OF” All such Identities (names) … some names:
“Shall Be” blotted out.
“Shall Remain”.

God Already KNOWS whose Name “shall be”blotted out or remain.
Men DO NOT Already Know.

“SHALL Be Blotted out”… is At the moment a mans BODY is physically Dead… and that man, Did NOT Believe IN God, When his Body Died.

”The Lambs Book of Life” is another Book, recording the Names OF the Righteous.
Their names ARE written IN THAT Book (IF and WHEN) a Living man “receives the Baptism OF the “Lamb of God”!

Once their Name is WRITTEN IN ”The Lambs Book of Life”….
That name “ can never be blotted out

You not recognizing the TWO different BOOKS… leads you to a faulty conclusion…and false accusations against others with greater understanding than you.

Where does the bible say that "some names shall be blotted out of Gods book of life"???? I haven't found a single verse to support your private opinion.

Where does the bible say that "God already knows who's names shall be blotted out"??? Answer - Nowhere, your just making stuff up again in a vein attempt to prop up your dead strawman.

Where does the bible say that a unbelievers name shall be blotted out at the moment of physical death??? Answer - Nowhere, you just made that silly nonsense up.

Where does the bible say anything so foolish as "the names of the righteous are written in the Lambs book of life, if and when the living man receives the baptism of the Lamb of God"???? Answer - Nowhere does the bible ever support anything so ridiculous as that muck.

You fail to understand that both books were written before the earth was created, you don't have the right to twist Gods Word and force it to lie for your benefit. You have confused the Old Testament "book of the living", which is just a record of Israel (Gods chosen people) under the old covenant.
It wasn't like the Lambs book of life, which included the names of all of God elect from every age and ethnicity.

We know that God killed thousands of Israelites in the desert. He knew who they were before He created them and He knew they would sin against Him before He created them, their names were never in the Lambs book of life to begin with.

No decisions are made after death, God predestined every single thing before time began. No man has ever chosen to be justified and saved, neither has any man chosen to be reprobated and condemned to an eternal hell. God is the Only one who does this.

 

[Taken]

…empty, baseless and untrue.

Your Opinion.

…. your incoherent, unbiblical, unreliable and downright false views.

Your Opinion.

I don't have any opinions and I'm not here to express any private opinions.

Yet you do exactly what you claim you do not do.

 

[Taken]

Where does the bible say that "some names shall be blotted out of Gods book of life"???? I haven't found a single verse to support your private opinion.

Pss 69 [28] Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and [/B]not be written with the righteous.[/B]

Where does the bible say that "God already knows who's names shall be blotted out"???

1 John 3:
[20] For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

Answer - Nowhere,
your just making stuff up again in a vein attempt to prop up your dead strawman.

Your opinion.

Where does the bible say that a unbelievers name shall be blotted out at the moment of physical death???

Mark 12:
[27] He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Answer - Nowhere, you just made that silly nonsense up.

Your opinion. Great err.

Where does the bible say anything so foolish as "the names of the righteous are written in the Lambs book of life, if and when the living man receives the baptism of the Lamb of God"????

Mark 3:
[11] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Answer - Nowhere does the bible ever support anything so ridiculous as that muck.

Your Opinion.

both books were written before the earth was created,

you don't have the right to twist Gods Word and force it to lie for your benefit.

Your Opinion.

the Old Testament ”book of the living", which is just a record of Israel (Gods chosen people) under the old covenant.

It wasn't like the Lambs book of life, which included the names of all of God elect from every age and ethnicity.

Your Opinion.

Disagree.

Gods Book of Life Is The Book of ALL identities of All humans who have or shall Ever Naturally Live…
They May remain named In That Book or Be Blotted Out.

I don't have any opinions and I'm not here to express any private opinions. My comments are based on the Word of God, so I always qualify my statements with the Word of God.

Disagree.

No decisions are made after death, God predestined every single thing before time began.

Not a Newsflash.
*Dead humans do NOT make decisions!
*God IS All Knowing.
*God HAS Already PREPARED the Time / Place for Every humans Destiny to BE Fulfilled.

No man has ever chosen to be justified and saved,

Disagree.
Men Choose God.
1 Thes. 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

neither has any man chosen to be reprobated and condemned to an eternal hell.

Disagree.
Men choose “their god.”
Josh 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

God is the Only one who does this.

Disagree.
Men Choose their god.
God knows (and prepares) What “god” men Will Choose “Before the man knows!”

Your posts are FULL of your Beliefs AND FULL of “YOUR Personal, Opinions and Snarky irrelevant Accusations.”

Fact IS:
* Gods Book of Life…is a Record of All Humans who Have or Shall Live.
(without consideration OF Race, Gender, Age, Religious Affiliation ).

* AT the moment “They are NO LONGER LIVING… and DIED…AGAINST GOD…
Their NAME IS BLOTTED OUT OF Gods Book of The Living!
(Race, Gender, Age, matters NOT.)
Their Destiny:
“God” WILL Raise THEM at “THE Second Resurrection”!

The Lambs Book of “Life”…is a Record of ALL Humans who HAVE or WILL, (freely CHOOSE, BEFORE their natural Death)
* TO HeartFULLY Believe, IN God AND Jesus IS Christ the Lord, Sent by God AND Confess Their Belief…THUS Have Received Gods Promised Gift of the Baptism, delivered unto THAT man By the Spirit of God, who IS Christ the Lord….
* To Whit “such CONVERT-ED Righteous man”, Shall be Raised UP (According to “the record of “his Name written IN the Lambs Book of Life”; ) BY that mans Baptizer; The Lamb; Christ The Lord (Rapture) … BEFORE:
The wrath of the Lamb;
The Wrath of the Devil;
The Wrath of God,
Shall be Sent Down from Heaven “upon the Whole Earth” (this World Of Unrighteous humans).

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

I have NO duty or requirement to “understand ANYTHING “ for you.
Any wise and prudent person KNOWS “Understanding the Word OF God comes From the Lord God… Not human men!”

You calling my Belief, my understanding;

Made up
Vein
Dead
Strawman
Foolish
Silly
Nonsense
Ridiculous
Muck

Is entirely your personal Opinion, and Irrelevant.

What “you” repeatedly Claim “you” do NOT find IN Gods Word…is simply Revealing your own Ignorance and Lack of Wisdom.

And standing “Against” my Beliefs, my Understanding… Is NOT the Measurement to overcome “your ignorance and Lack of Wisdom”.

A wise person does NOT ASK…

Where does the bible say that "God already knows who's names shall be blotted out"???

A Wise person believes, trusts, knows, God IS ALL-Knowing.

You have a serious complex problem, by action projecting your personal Opinions Against Others, somehow magically constitutes your Standing For Christ.

Newsflash…It doesn’t!

 

[Rockerduck]

But, Jesus said that those who persevere to the end will be saved (Matt. 24:13), indicating that no one will know if they're saved or not (as in having reached eternal life in Heaven or Hell) until the end of their time on earth. Therefore, no one can know and assert that they are saved before that point.

Believe what you want. John 3:16 says you must be born again, or perish. You'll receive the Holy Spirit when you confess the name of Jesus, Romans.10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Every born again from above Christian knows for a fact that he is going to heaven.

 

[Hiddenthings]

(Matt. 24:13).

Revelation 2:10 (ESV) "Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life."

Hebrews 10:36 (ESV) "For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised."

Hebrews 10:39 (ESV) "But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls."

 

[Hiddenthings]

"The Love of Most Will Grow Cold"

It’s far easier to promote looseness, compromise, blurred boundaries, and an easy, downhill path than it is to uphold steadfastness, holiness, firm purpose, and unwavering faithfulness to exclusive Truth. Popularity and influence come easily when compromise is the product being offered. Crowds are quickly drawn (OSAS) to what is comfortable and accommodating.

But we must not be discouraged if what we offer doesn't carry the wide appeal of the popular message. God's Truth is narrow, exclusive, demanding, and crucifying to the flesh. It has never been designed to appeal to the masses or to those who follow without thinking deeply. It speaks only to the thoughtful, the fully committed, those willing to be labeled 'extremists' by the world.

Yes, the Truth is extreme, totally consuming and completely demanding. And that is precisely why it remains so rare and so precious.

 

[Jack]

I think OSASers are trying to convince each other! There's NO other reason for defending OSAS!

 

[Sabé]

Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?​

@Taken
@Rockerduck
@Pearl
@pandaflower
@ScottA
@Windmill Charge
@Nancy
@marks
@Debp
@Ronald Nolette
@Ronald David Bruno
@David in NJ
@Christian Soldier
@Kokyu

To those of you above and others who answered "yes", I remind you that Jesus said, "But he who perseveres to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13). Now, each of us can't foresee if we ourselves or someone else will persevere or not to the end, and thus Jesus is indicating that no one will know if they're saved or not (as in having reached eternal life in Heaven or Hell) before the end of their time on earth. Out of curiosity though, how have you been attempting to reconcile your belief that one can know if they're saved now before their end, rather than at their end as Jesus said?

 

[Taken]

@Taken
@Rockerduck
@Pearl
@pandaflower
@ScottA
@Windmill Charge
@Nancy
@marks
@Debp
@Ronald Nolette
@Ronald David Bruno
@David in NJ
@Christian Soldier
@Kokyu

To those of you above and others who answered "yes", I remind you that Jesus said, "But he who perseveres to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13). Now, each of us can't foresee if we ourselves or someone else will persevere or not to the end, and thus Jesus is indicating that no one will know if they're saved or not (as in having reached eternal life in Heaven or Hell) before the end of their time on earth. Out of curiosity though, how have you been attempting to reconcile your belief that one can know if they're saved now before their end, rather than at their end as Jesus said?

Differences;

Are Saved…
Shall be Saved…

Are Saved…Are Converted…
Shall be Saved…Shall be Converted…

Are Saved…Are;
FORGIVEN Believers;
WITH Christ the Lord God;
Christ WITH Them:
IN Christ;
Christ IN Them;

Shall be Saved…Are;
Believers With God;
God WITH Them;
The man CAN LEAVE God;
God can / will LEAVE that man;
That man is acting under his own power.

WARNING….
“IF”…
A man continues Believing / Remains WITH God, Until his Mortal Death…
God will remain WITH that man, Forgive that man, Save That man at the moment of his mortal Death, Be WITH that man Forever..
“IF”
the man… before mortal Death, Leaves God, that man Forfeits his Forgiveness, his Salvation, Eternity WITH God.

The “UN-Saved ARE Warned to persevere to the End”.

Why do you think THAT WARNING applies to the “Already Saved”?

Warnings ARE Alerts of potential Danger.
What is the potential Danger for a Believer With God?

Fallen Angels cunning trickery?
Powerful influential, threatening men?
Power…greater than that man, who is With God?
Yes, Yes, Yes.

Why is that Warning NOT applicable to a man “IN” Christ and “Christ “IN” the man?

Because;
Christ IS the Power of God!
Because there IS NO Power Greater than the Lord God ALMIGHTY.
Because Christs Power IS “IN” a Saved man.

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is IN you, than he that is in the world.

What Jesus Said IS TRUE…
It simply does Not apply to the “Already Saved.” Clearly says… shall be saved.

Men don’t “Wonder or Guess” What DOES or does NOT Apply to THEM.
They KNOW, by what, THEY freely choose, freely commit to, or freely reject.

1 Cor 2:
[11a] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?

1 Cor 1:
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Matt 24:
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Difference:
Are Saved…
Shall be Saved…

With is Not IN.
With AND IN…is thereafter NEVER “Without”.

Not the Same Individual.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

First, because of Jesus's sacrifice, Heaven was re-opened, and all men are given the opportunity to reach eternal life in Heaven. Second, an individual will be saved, as in having actually reached eternal life in Heaven, if they persevere in obeying God to the end of their life on earth. The latter is the kind of saved Jesus was speaking about in Matt. 24:13, because He said, "But he who perseveres [in obeying God] to the end [of their life on earth] will be saved [reached eternal life in Heaven], and thus was also saying that he who does not persevere in obeying God to the end of their life on earth will have reached eternal life in Hell. You can't foresee if you will persevere in obeying God or not to the end of your life on earth, and thus you can't know before then if you have reached or will reach eternal life in Heaven or Hell.

Jesus Saves the Willing Before their Mortal Death.
Jesus Shall Redeem those He Saves…
Rapture.
They are Those “With Jesus and IN Christ”.


1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


God Saves the Willing (Who continued Believing To the Their mortal Death / End) Are Saved After their Mortal Death.
God Shall Redeem those He Saves.
They are Those who are “With God”.

1 Thes. 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

John 10:
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

That's not what Jesus said. Jesus said that he who perseveres [in obeying God] to the end [of their life on earth] will be saved [reached eternal life in Heaven], and thus was also saying that he who does not persevere in obeying God to the end of their life on earth will have reached eternal life in Hell. (Matt. 24:13)

So. Who said otherwise.?

You can't foresee if you will persevere in obeying God or not to the end of your life on earth, and thus you can't know before then if you have reached or will reach eternal life in Heaven or Hell.

I am not “hoping” to continue Believing “hoping” to Receive WHAT I already “HAVE”!

I HAVE my Salvation. My hope is I serve my Master in a manner that Pleases Him, Glorifies Him.


If you are still hoping to be Saved… that is by your own choice.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

That's not what Jesus said. Jesus said that he who perseveres [in obeying God] to the end [

You are teaching a very old heresy, that says that "enduring to the end" is how you save yourself.
So, that is not the case.
That is actually a teaching that Jesus gave in Matt 24, talking about the Tribulation, and those who end up there.
So, if you end up in the Trib, then prepare to endure to the end of it, if you want to go to heaven @Sabé

Whereas......SALVATION is : Jesus on The Cross.......sacrificing Himself to God for your sin, so that you can become eternally forgiven and given eternal life, today, and forever.

 

[Taken]

By that do you mean you're guaranteed to enter Heaven? If so, again, Jesus said that those who persevere [in obeying God] to the end [of their life on earth] will be saved [reach eternal life in Heaven], and thus was also saying that he who does not will have reached eternal life in Hell (Matt. 24:13). You're not at the end yet because you're still living on earth, and you can't foresee if you will persevere in obeying God or not to the end. Therefore, you can't know before then if you have reached or will reach eternal life in Heaven or Hell.

Look…
Some are Saved NOW!!!
Some WILL be Saved Later, IF (caveat) they continue Believing.

Those Who ARE SAVED NOW… have already “died”…
Crucified with Christ Jesus ring a bell?

They Persevered to their END!!