Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Christian Soldier]

I see you and I disagree on OSAS.
I see we agree on some points and a brother in Christ.

@Christian Soldier and I are in agreement on OSAS.
And not in agreement in attempting to weaponize Scripture.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".

This verse compares the Word of God to a very sharp, two-edged sword (in other words, it's a weapon) that can cut deeply, separating the inner spiritual and physical parts of a person to reveal the hidden thoughts and intentions of the heart.

If the scriptures I quote, make you uncomfortable, then I make no apology for doing so. I had to swallow the bitter medicine of Gods Word for many years before His Word cut me down to size. I used to dread the Lords day, because I knew the sermon would be very confronting and I would have to face the awful truth of the gospel.

I no longer read the Bible, the Bible reads me. I never knew how ugly my sin was until I turned the mirror, known as the Bible towards myself. But my sin is far worse than I can know, only God knows how offensive sin is. He had to pay the ultimate price to save me from the penalty my sin deserves.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I just proved the validity of my logic. You are totally clueless about logic. You don't even know what a strawman is. How could you then understand any fallacy of logic. It's pointless to argue with someone who maintains their position no matter how badly it's destroyed. I'll leave you to your error.

Run along boy, I see your tail firmly tucked between your legs as you run. The only one who believes in your "logic" is you. I exposed your logic for the trash it is and you didn't have the courage to face the truth of the matter so you resorted to the lowest common denominator of attacking the person instead of defending your false doctrine.

I see you rely on artificial life support, known as "circular reasoning" to keep your so called "logic" alive. How pathetic, you begin with a false premise and then demand that I accept it. I'm sorry but that scam doesn't work with Gods elect.

found in Matthew 24:24. The verse reads: "For false Christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect".

Accordingn to your logic, the above verse means that Gods elect can be decieved. But Gods word says "if possible". A wise man knows that if possible means "not possible" but a blind fool says "no it means they can be deceived". This is because you don't have the gift of discernment, which only Gods elect have.

According to your pathetic logic, "if pigs could fly" means "pigs do fly", can you see how dumb that is???

 

[Taken]

My claims or "accusations" as you call them are all based on the Bible.

Obviously you are confused…

Your “accusations” are your own words personally Against men.

Unlike yourself, I don't have any private views, God doesn't need anyone's opinions or suggestions on how He should have done things.

Thanks for sharing your “PERSONAL opinion on what God does or does not NEED, while claiming “YOU” have no personal opinion or private opinion regarding God…

Laughable.

i notice your approach to Gods word, is not to be instructed or taught anything.

What you should have noticed…is I did not, do not approach “YOU” for YOUR brand of “teaching”.

You approach Gods Word with the expectation that His Word must conform and comply with your predetermined assumptions. You presume upon the Lord, even though He strictly forbids doing this.

Prove your “ACCUSATIONS”…
Not a Difficult thing…
You can QUOTE Me, My Words Saying that IS My approach …

Have at it…prove your claims…
Or excel your own growing reputation of being a “gaslighter”!

Gods Word s not open to scrutiny or, you don't get to analyse or evaluate His Word.

…Gods people live by every Word that proceeds from His mouth, we don't cherry pick through the Bible.

So admittedly, you live by “Every” Word of God…

Thanks for sharing the Following APPLIES TO YOU…

Rom 3:
[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
[12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

[Taken]

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".

This verse compares the Word of God to a very sharp, two-edged sword (in other words, it's a weapon) that can cut deeply, separating the inner spiritual and physical parts of a person to reveal the hidden thoughts and intentions of the heart.

If the scriptures I quote, make you uncomfortable,

LOL.. That verse is not news to me. I have quoted in agreement with that verse.

I had to swallow the bitter medicine of Gods Word for many years before His Word cut me down to size. I used to dread the Lords day, because I knew the sermon would be very confronting and I would have to face the awful truth of the gospel.

Isn’t that big of you…to Speak For Yourself…
Expect What You speak for yourself IS acceptable…
While Speaking For Others what They HAVE NOT said for themselves!!

 

[shepherdsword]

Run along boy, I see your tail firmly tucked between your legs as you run. The only one who believes in your "logic" is you. I exposed your logic for the trash it is and you didn't have the courage to face the truth of the matter so you resorted to the lowest common denominator of attacking the person instead of defending your false doctrine.

I see you rely on artificial life support, known as "circular reasoning" to keep your so called "logic" alive. How pathetic, you begin with a false premise and then demand that I accept it. I'm sorry but that scam doesn't work with Gods elect.

found in Matthew 24:24. The verse reads: "For false Christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect".

Accordingn to your logic, the above verse means that Gods elect can be decieved. But Gods word says "if possible". A wise man knows that if possible means "not possible" but a blind fool says "no it means they can be deceived". This is because you don't have the gift of discernment, which only Gods elect have.

According to your pathetic logic, "if pigs could fly" means "pigs do fly", can you see how dumb that is???

Any third party reading our entire discourse can see how utterly clueless you are. I attempted to patiently guide you into the subtle aspects of logic but they are currently beyond your grasp. Here is how you appear...lol

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics.

 

[ProDeo]

So now, you're admitting that you can't stop sinning and you will continue to sin everyday for the rest of your life. You also admit that you can't abide in Christ, and your sin nature still has a hold on you and causes you to sin everyday.

I'm pleased to see you fess up, it shows you have some measure of humility so that's a good thing.

Paul never preached the popular "saved by works" gospel message, so why do so many professing Christians push this idea that we need to meet a bunch of requirements in order to be saved. I don't know of any verse of scripture, where Jesus set any requirements for salvation at all.

Many professing Christians mix the old and new covenants together to form the Judeo/Christian religion which is a combination of "saved by grace" and "saved by keeping the law". But Jesus never required that anyone keep a single law in order to be saved.

And I always thought my head is a scary place.

 

[Wick Stick]

I voted no, but it's a soft no.

I don't think committing a sin and not repenting before death dooms one to hell. I don't think there are certain 'mortal sins' that can do that, either.

I think of salvation in terms of adoption. Can one be adopted, and then subsequently become not-a-son?

Yes, it's possible for a person to willfully reject Christ and Christianity to such an extent that they go out and join themself to the enemy, rejecting their sonship.

I don't think it happens very often. Reprobate sons are still sons. Most of them still know that God is good, and don't have such an anger towards Him, or such stupidity as to cut off their own nose to spite their face.

 

[GodsGrace]

So now, you're admitting that you can't stop sinning and you will continue to sin everyday for the rest of your life. You also admit that you can't abide in Christ, and your sin nature still has a hold on you and causes you to sin everyday.

I'm pleased to see you fess up, it shows you have some measure of humility so that's a good thing.

Paul never preached the popular "saved by works" gospel message, so why do so many professing Christians push this idea that we need to meet a bunch of requirements in order to be saved. I don't know of any verse of scripture, where Jesus set any requirements for salvation at all.

Many professing Christians mix the old and new covenants together to form the Judeo/Christian religion which is a combination of "saved by grace" and "saved by keeping the law". But Jesus never required that anyone keep a single law in order to be saved.

You need ONLY ONE verse to prove that Jesus taught that we are to keep the law?
There are plenty....

But here's JUST ONE:

Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

You said you don't know of any scripture whereby Jesus set a requirement for salvation.
Well, there's one.

 

[Christian Soldier]

And I always thought my head is a scary place.

You're right about you're head being a scary place, it's painfully obvious that you're confused

 

[Christian Soldier]

You need ONLY ONE verse to prove that Jesus taught that we are to keep the law?
There are plenty....

But here's JUST ONE:

Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

You said you don't know of any scripture whereby Jesus set a requirement for salvation.
Well, there's one.

The verse says nothing about keeping the law, so how does it help your cause???? Again I ask you, show me a verse where Jesus says you must keep the law, in order to be saved.

Let me save you a lot of time, you won't find Jesus or any of the Apostles teaching anything so ridiculous. Your problem is, you approach the Bible with a certain expectation, then twist unrelated scriptures to force them into your false Arminian theology. Quite sad to witness you struggling with this false theology, I hope God opens your eyes so you can understand the truth of the gospel.

 

[ProDeo]

So all of your foolish comments backfire on you and expose you as a fool.

Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Try brotherly love for a change ?

 

[shepherdsword]

I already destroyed your so called logic, I thoroughly debunked it and showed you how foolish it is and all you can do to defend it is resort to a childish riddle. How pathetic

You are delusional. The only thing you destroyed is your self respect. But lets review. Maybe then it will sink through.


Rv 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This is the part that implies blotting out is possible.
The promise not to blot out a name makes sense only if blotting out could otherwise happen .Other verses prove it can happen.

It stands in agreement with :

Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Here is a lesson for your arrogance

When someone says:

“If you do X, I will not do Y…”

...the implication is that **if you don’t do X, I might or will do Y.
This is not stated directly — it's implied.

In classical logic terms, it's close to:​

Modus Tollens (or Contrapositive reasoning):​

If P, then not Q
Therefore, if Q, then not P

This logical form is often summarized as "denying the consequent" and is a fundamental aspect of deductive reasoning

But even more precisely, it falls under implicature — the idea that something unstated is nonetheless implied.

So the challenge is....REFUTE THIS (mic drop)

 

[GodsGrace]

The verse says nothing about keeping the law, so how does it help your cause???? Again I ask you, show me a verse where Jesus says you must keep the law, in order to be saved.

Doing the will of the Father is NOT keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Here's your problem CS
You think THE LAW is the same as doing good works.
You don't know the difference between THE LAW and doing good works.

Jesus and Paul knew the difference.
YOU also could find out what it is or you could remain ignorant on the subject matter.

Up to you.

Let me save you a lot of time, you won't find Jesus or any of the Apostles teaching anything so ridiculous.

Because CS....
Jesus, Paul or the Apostles DO NOT TEACH that KEEPING THE LAW will save anyone.

The problem is with YOU not understanding the NT.

Your problem is, you approach the Bible with a certain expectation, then twist unrelated scriptures to force them into your false Arminian theology. Quite sad to witness you struggling with this false theology, I hope God opens your eyes so you can understand the truth of the gospel.

YADDA YADDA.
You are incapable of having a serious conversation.
You have nothing to say, as usual.
So you spew out insults.

No denomination twists the words of God more than YOU do.
No denomination changes the character of God as yours does.

No further comment.


BTW,,,,If obeying John Calvin is acceptable,,,
I guess obeying J. Arminius is acceptable too.

Except that most non-calvinists don't even know who Arminius is...
they just read their bible and believe what it states.

Those who follow a man are following a cult.
Follow Jesus instead.

 

[GodsGrace]

You are delusional. The only thing you destroyed is your self respect. But lets review. Maybe then it will sink through.


Rv 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This is the part that implies blotting out is possible.
The promise not to blot out a name makes sense only if blotting out could otherwise happen .Other verses prove it can happen.

It stands in agreement with :

Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Here is a lesson for your arrogance

When someone says:

...the implication is that **if you don’t do X, I might or will do Y.
This is not stated directly — it's implied.

In classical logic terms, it's close to:​

This logical form is often summarized as "denying the consequent" and is a fundamental aspect of deductive reasoning

But even more precisely, it falls under implicature — the idea that something unstated is nonetheless implied.

So the challenge is....REFUTE THIS (mic drop)

It will not sink through.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Try brotherly love for a change ?

Thank you for rebuking me, I confess my anger was not justified in this case. I repent, and I will take your advice to love the brethren, even when we disagree with each other views.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You are delusional. The only thing you destroyed is your self respect. But lets review. Maybe then it will sink through.


Rv 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This is the part that implies blotting out is possible.
The promise not to blot out a name makes sense only if blotting out could otherwise happen .Other verses prove it can happen.

It stands in agreement with :

Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Here is a lesson for your arrogance

When someone says:

...the implication is that **if you don’t do X, I might or will do Y.
This is not stated directly — it's implied.

In classical logic terms, it's close to:​

This logical form is often summarized as "denying the consequent" and is a fundamental aspect of deductive reasoning

But even more precisely, it falls under implicature — the idea that something unstated is nonetheless implied.

So the challenge is....REFUTE THIS (mic drop)

You won't find a single verse in the Bible to support this idea that God could blot a person out of thye book of life. There are plenty of verses confirming that He doesn't do any such thing and He indeed promises not to ever do such an evil thing.

You're assumptions are based on your own private opinions, they are not supported by any scriptures at all. I will give you my house and my life, if you find a single verse to support this false doctrine.

Revelation 3:5 merely confirms that God does not blot any of His elect out of the book of life. The fact that He doesn't blot any of them out doesn't mean that He does blot some out, you have made that assumption based on nothing so it's worthless.

If God said, "I will not cast any of those I saved int hell". Now, because God said I will not" means He can and does according to your logic. Saying I will not, doesn't mean I can or will.

In Exodus 32:33 Moses said "blot me out", but he didn't say anything about the book of life and neither did God. God simply said "him I blot out of My book"
So we have the book of the living and the book of life, you believe that these books are one and the same, but the Bible doesn't support this idea either.

Israel was Gods chosen people in the "Old Testament",, they were under a different covenant. Their names were in a different book, it was the one used to record the names of all the Israelites and we know God killed many of them in the desert, so you could say their names were blotted out of the house of Israel.

Doing the will of the Father is NOT keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Here's your problem CS
You think THE LAW is the same as doing good works.
You don't know the difference between THE LAW and doing good works.

Jesus and Paul knew the difference.
YOU also could find out what it is or you could remain ignorant on the subject matter.

Up to you.

Because CS....
Jesus, Paul or the Apostles DO NOT TEACH that KEEPING THE LAW will save anyone.

The problem is with YOU not understanding the NT.

YADDA YADDA.
You are incapable of having a serious conversation.
You have nothing to say, as usual.
So you spew out insults.

No denomination twists the words of God more than YOU do.
No denomination changes the character of God as yours does.

No further comment.


BTW,,,,If obeying John Calvin is acceptable,,,
I guess obeying J. Arminius is acceptable too.

Except that most non-calvinists don't even know who Arminius is...
they just read their bible and believe what it states.

Those who follow a man are following a cult.
Follow Jesus instead.

Doing the will of the Father is NOT keeping the commandments of Jesus?

Here's your problem CS
You think THE LAW is the same as doing good works.
You don't know the difference between THE LAW and doing good works.

Jesus and Paul knew the difference.
YOU also could find out what it is or you could remain ignorant on the subject matter.

Up to you.

Because CS....
Jesus, Paul or the Apostles DO NOT TEACH that KEEPING THE LAW will save anyone.

The problem is with YOU not understanding the NT.

YADDA YADDA.
You are incapable of having a serious conversation.
You have nothing to say, as usual.
So you spew out insults.

No denomination twists the words of God more than YOU do.
No denomination changes the character of God as yours does.

No further comment.


BTW,,,,If obeying John Calvin is acceptable,,,
I guess obeying J. Arminius is acceptable too.

Except that most non-calvinists don't even know who Arminius is...
they just read their bible and believe what it states.

Those who follow a man are following a cult.
Follow Jesus instead.

Doing the will of the Father, does not translate to "saved by keeping the law". You even admit this but you still hold to that false doctrine, none the less and this is because you are following Jacob Arminius, instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I have been asking you to find a single verse in the Bible, to support your "saved by works" Arminian version of the gospel. The best that you can do is quote unrelated verses that don't support your unbiblical false version at all.

I literally have to debunk your Arminian interpretation of every single verse you quote. You twist the meaning of "doing the will of the Father" to "you must keep the commandments to be saved", all the wile you ignore the whole reason that God gave the commandments in the first place.

Adam was under the covenant of the law, but everyone after Adam is under the covenant of grace. This is what your idol Jacob Arminius, failed to teach you. According to your version of the gospel, we are still under the covenant of the law. That means you believe we need to keep the commandments and the law, in order to earn our salvation.
This version of the gospel is a perversion, and I believe it is an abomination in Gods sight.

God gave us the commandments to show us that we can't keep a single one of them. Every person since Adam has broken every single one of the commandments, that's because every one of them are impossible to keep. You have broken every one of them yourself and if you deny it you make God a liar.
And just before you say, "hey I haven't murdered anyone", think about what Christ said. If you hate, you have committed murder in your heart and we know God sees the intentions of the heart, He's not fooled by what we portray outwardly He knows what we are inwardly soi we only fool ourselves if we think we haven't committed murder and broken all the other commandments as well.

You refuse to admit that you believe in the "saved by works" or saved by keeping the law false gospel, while you also deny the Biblical "saved by grace" gospel. This leaves you in limbo, you don't know what you believe. The Bible describes your kind as those who are tossed about with every wind of doctrine and ships on a turbulent sea, without a rudder.

It's obvious to me, that you haven't been taught the true gospel, I'm not judging you or blaming you because it's not your fault. God will hold your Shepherd, Pastor, Minister etc. accountable, if you end up in a lost eternity, your blood will be on their hands.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Survey? osas?

Yes, God's Eternal Life (some 'call' osas) = Yes, Eternal, not 'temporary', Yes?

Amen.

 

[GodsGrace]

Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Try brotherly love for a change ?

I don't think it's possible ProDeo....

 

[shepherdsword]

You won't find a single verse in the Bible to support this idea that God could blot a person out of thye book of life. There are plenty of verses confirming that He doesn't do any such thing and He indeed promises not to ever do such an evil thing.
You're assumptions are based on your own private opinions, they are not supported by any scriptures at all. I will give you my house and my life, if you find a single verse to support this false doctrine.

You don't know the scriptures. Here's two that refer to God botting out people from the book of life. I don't need your house or your life. I will allow you to keep them both

Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5 merely confirms that God does not blot any of His elect out of the book of life. The fact that He doesn't blot any of them out doesn't mean that He does blot some out, you have made that assumption based on nothing so it's worthless.

Your ignorance is legendary. You believe in a false doctrine that was invented by a 22 year old boy.

If God said, "I will not cast any of those I saved int hell". Now, because God said I will not" means He can and does according to your logic. Saying I will not, doesn't mean I can or will.

In Exodus 32:33 Moses said "blot me out", but he didn't say anything about the book of life and neither did God. God simply said "him I blot out of My book"
So we have the book of the living and the book of life, you believe that these books are one and the same, but the Bible doesn't support this idea either.

It takes a high degree of denial to claim it's not referring to the book of life. You are as blind as you are ignorant.

Israel was Gods chosen people in the "Old Testament",, they were under a different covenant. Their names were in a different book, it was the one used to record the names of all the Israelites and we know God killed many of them in the desert, so you could say their names were blotted out of the house of Israel.

Doing the will of the Father, does not translate to "saved by keeping the law". You even admit this but you still hold to that false doctrine, none the less and this is because you are following Jacob Arminius, instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You are a liar. I do not follow Arminius. I follow the Lord Jesus Christ. You follow Calvin...a boy who invented a heresy when he was 22.

I have been asking you to find a single verse in the Bible, to support your "saved by works" Arminian version of the gospel. The best that you can do is quote unrelated verses that don't support your unbiblical false version at all.

I never said we were saved by works. I defy you to present one place I did. Once again, as you wallow in defeat, you resort to lies.

I literally have to debunk your Arminian interpretation of every single verse you quote. You twist the meaning of "doing the will of the Father" to "you must keep the commandments to be saved", all the wile you ignore the whole reason that God gave the commandments in the first place.

Are you really that silly? I guess when I destroyed your simple arguments I must have blown your mind so bad you can't think straight. Do you need some time to recover?

Adam was under the covenant of the law, but everyone after Adam is under the covenant of grace. This is what your idol Jacob Arminius, failed to teach you. According to your version of the gospel, we are still under the covenant of the law. That means you believe we need to keep the commandments and the law, in order to earn our salvation.
This version of the gospel is a perversion, and I believe it is an abomination in Gods sight.

More lies from someone who believes in Calvin's lies.

God gave us the commandments to show us that we can't keep a single one of them. Every person since Adam has broken every single one of the commandments, that's because every one of them are impossible to keep. You have broken every one of them yourself and if you deny it you make God a liar.
And just before you say, "hey I haven't murdered anyone", think about what Christ said. If you hate, you have committed murder in your heart and we know God sees the intentions of the heart, He's not fooled by what we portray outwardly He knows what we are inwardly soi we only fool ourselves if we think we haven't committed murder and broken all the other commandments as well.

I never denied I have sinned. What are you talking about. Are you so delusional that you repeat something I never said.

You refuse to admit that you believe in the "saved by works" or saved by keeping the law false gospel, while you also deny the Biblical "saved by grace" gospel. This leaves you in limbo, you don't know what you believe. The Bible describes your kind as those who are tossed about with every wind of doctrine and ships on a turbulent sea, without a rudder.

I don't believe we are saved by our works. I believe we are saved by maintaining a continuous faith in Jesus Christ

It's obvious to me, that you haven't been taught the true gospel, I'm not judging you or blaming you because it's not your fault. God will hold your Shepherd, Pastor, Minister etc. accountable, if you end up in a lost eternity, your blood will be on their hands.

It's obvious to me you don't have a clue what you are talking about. God will hold you accountable because you claim you do. I see you slithered away from my challenge to refute my logical defense to rev 3. Instead you resort to lies and false accusations. It's pathetic. I am going to keep this going as long as you do because, somehow, in your mind, you think having the last word is victory. I don't intend to let you delude yourself. Your arguments have been smashed and utterly cast down. I will wrestle with your ignorance until you admit it.

 

[GodsGrace]

You won't find a single verse in the Bible to support this idea that God could blot a person out of thye book of life. There are plenty of verses confirming that He doesn't do any such thing and He indeed promises not to ever do such an evil thing.

You're assumptions are based on your own private opinions, they are not supported by any scriptures at all. I will give you my house and my life, if you find a single verse to support this false doctrine.

Revelation 3:5 merely confirms that God does not blot any of His elect out of the book of life. The fact that He doesn't blot any of them out doesn't mean that He does blot some out, you have made that assumption based on nothing so it's worthless.

If God said, "I will not cast any of those I saved int hell". Now, because God said I will not" means He can and does according to your logic. Saying I will not, doesn't mean I can or will.

In Exodus 32:33 Moses said "blot me out", but he didn't say anything about the book of life and neither did God. God simply said "him I blot out of My book"
So we have the book of the living and the book of life, you believe that these books are one and the same, but the Bible doesn't support this idea either.

Israel was Gods chosen people in the "Old Testament",, they were under a different covenant. Their names were in a different book, it was the one used to record the names of all the Israelites and we know God killed many of them in the desert, so you could say their names were blotted out of the house of Israel.






Doing the will of the Father, does not translate to "saved by keeping the law". You even admit this but you still hold to that false doctrine, none the less and this is because you are following Jacob Arminius, instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I have been asking you to find a single verse in the Bible, to support your "saved by works" Arminian version of the gospel. The best that you can do is quote unrelated verses that don't support your unbiblical false version at all.

I literally have to debunk your Arminian interpretation of every single verse you quote. You twist the meaning of "doing the will of the Father" to "you must keep the commandments to be saved", all the wile you ignore the whole reason that God gave the commandments in the first place.

Adam was under the covenant of the law, but everyone after Adam is under the covenant of grace. This is what your idol Jacob Arminius, failed to teach you. According to your version of the gospel, we are still under the covenant of the law. That means you believe we need to keep the commandments and the law, in order to earn our salvation.
This version of the gospel is a perversion, and I believe it is an abomination in Gods sight.

God gave us the commandments to show us that we can't keep a single one of them. Every person since Adam has broken every single one of the commandments, that's because every one of them are impossible to keep. You have broken every one of them yourself and if you deny it you make God a liar.
And just before you say, "hey I haven't murdered anyone", think about what Christ said. If you hate, you have committed murder in your heart and we know God sees the intentions of the heart, He's not fooled by what we portray outwardly He knows what we are inwardly soi we only fool ourselves if we think we haven't committed murder and broken all the other commandments as well.

You refuse to admit that you believe in the "saved by works" or saved by keeping the law false gospel, while you also deny the Biblical "saved by grace" gospel. This leaves you in limbo, you don't know what you believe. The Bible describes your kind as those who are tossed about with every wind of doctrine and ships on a turbulent sea, without a rudder.

It's obvious to me, that you haven't been taught the true gospel, I'm not judging you or blaming you because it's not your fault. God will hold your Shepherd, Pastor, Minister etc. accountable, if you end up in a lost eternity, your blood will be on their hands.

I have nothing to say to you.

Please find out what THE LAW is.

or not.