Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Taken]

There is only one true interpretation of Gods Word,

Not news to me, as I have expressly quoted and expressly Agreed with Gods Approved word many times.

You're obviously not a Shepherd, or Minister, or Teacher, or Pastor, or Theologian, or Bible Scholar. …you learn from your Shepherd and I learn from mine.

You obviously are obtuse not knowing the role of every man IN Christ and Christ IN them is equipped and sanctioned and prompted to speak and teach the word of God to others.

Both of our Shepherds teach radically different versions of the gospel,

Obviously you are attempting to position yourself as a governing despot, over others whom you do not know, nor have made themselves a follower of you.

so your Shepherd has described an entirely different Jesus to the One my Shepherd has taught me about. This is why we will never reach a consensus, or agree on any Bible doctrine.

Probably So.
Because…the Truth IS…
Scripture is FULL of complete Opposites.
AND
ALL Scripture is True.

Your denomination

Oops… you evaded expressly “identifying “MY” supposed Denomination”… before you proceeded to bash (post #415) such “supposed Denomination”…

Now is a good time to “identify MY denomination” and “yours”.

 

[Taken]

All of that is your own private opinion, none of it is supported by the Bible. Private opinions are like noses, everybody has one.

Not news, as you just stated your own opinion.

Your response is incoherent, unbiblical and illogical.

Unbiblical is “you” revealing, you failed to search the Scriptures.

Incoherent and illogical is “you” revealing what I say makes no sense to your Carnal Mind…
When I speak of Spiritual things… IT is NOT intended to be SPEAKING to an Others Carnal Mind !!

It would help your cause if you cited some verses of scripture which support your opinions.

It would help your frustration, IF, Like a mature adult, you would QUOTE a Specific Phrase, Sentence…and Admit you searched the Scriptures, but that “you” could not Find such a reference IN Scripture… and then “ASK for the “reference”…

Rather than… QUOTE an others multi-topic post… jump in with accusations of nothing specific while back patting yourself.

 

[shepherdsword]

No, that's foolish logic. Rev 3:5 doesn't say that the names of unbelievers were in the book of life and then God removes their names. You just made that nonsense up to push your false doctrine.

You need to show me a single verse anywhere in the Bible which shows that God removes anyone from the book of life, that's the Lambs book of life. Not the book of the living which is nothing more than a registry of births deaths and marriages.

I don't care about your private opinion that "this implies their names were already there". What it actually implies is that you are making foolish presumptions by adding to the Word of God. Those who add to Gods Word shall suffer the plagues written the book of revelation.
How dare you speak on Gods behalf, that is blasphemy and it makes God look like a fool because He forgot to tell us the truth of the matter so we have to depend on wise guys like you to tell us what God failed to explain.

You don't understand logic. If a promise is made not to wipe a name from the book of life it stands to reason it could be wiped out.

Rv 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This is the part that implies blotting out is possible.
The promise not to blot out a name makes sense only if blotting out could otherwise happen .Other verses prove it can happen.

It stands in agreement with :

Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

I suggest you actually study the scriptures before hurling accusations of foolishness. Here's a brief lesson in logic for you as well:

When someone says:

“If you do X, I will not do Y…”

...the implication is that **if you don’t do X, I might or will do Y.
This is not stated directly — it's implied.

In classical logic terms, it's close to:​

Modus Tollens (or Contrapositive reasoning):​

If P, then not Q
Therefore, if Q, then not P

This logical form is often summarized as "denying the consequent" and is a fundamental aspect of deductive reasoning

But even more precisely, it falls under implicature — the idea that something unstated is nonetheless implied.

 

[GodsGrace]

You never showed me a single verse to show that God removes names from the book of life. As I already explained, the references you gave don't actually say the person being blotted out was in the book of life to begin with.

There are different books which deal with different people. The book you relied on to propagate your false doctrine, is the book which contains everyone's names, that is everyone who ever lived. That book is a registry, and is not the same as the book of life.

I'm sorry CS,,,but I will NOT be spending my time trying to convince you that names could be blotted out of the Book of Life.

If a name is BLOTTED OUT it means it was there to begin with and then it was BLOTTED OUT/ERASED/REMOVED.

This is for those reading along that might be interested.

Revelation 3:5
5The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.


Notice...the one WHO CONQUERS will NOT be blotted out of the BOOK OF LIFE.
so
The one who DOES NOT CONQUER WILL be blotted out of the BOOK OF LIFE.




Revelation 20:12
12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.


Notice...all were standing before God.
The BOOK OF LIFE was opened....
and they were judged ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAD DONE.



Revelation 20:15
15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


Notice...The above refutes your claim that a person was not in the BOOK OF LIFE to begin with.
Notice that if the name WAS NOT FOUND in the BOOK OF LIFE....(which means he had been BLOTTED OUT as in Rev. 3:5)
he is thrown into the Lake of Fire.



Psalm 69:28
28Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous.

Notice....One can even be blotted out of the BOOK OF THE LIVING !


You really should do a little study on the books....OF LIFE and OF THE LIVING.

In either book a name can be BLOTTED OUT/ERASED/REMOVED.

 

[GodsGrace]

I asked you to show me a single verse which shows that God removes someone's name from the book of life, but you couldn't because it doesn't exist.
Your problem is a lack of discernment, a lack of understanding and indoctrination of false doctrine.

Do you even know how many books are mentioned in the Bible and do you have any idea what the different books represent and what their purpose is???? yeah I thought not!!!!

You do what all the ignorant wise guys do, you approach a doctrine with your mind made up and then twist the meaning of scriptures to fit your twisted theology.
What is the difference between the book of life and the book of the living, go on, let's see how smart you really are.

DITTO CS.

Please use scripture when posting to me.
Your OPINION does not interest me.

BTW,,,I provided scripture in my first reply to you...
and have provided a lot of scripture just now in my post no. 424..

It is not my responsibility if you do NOT believe what the bible teaches.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow, talk about butchering every single one of the above verses. I was hoping you would get at least one right but that was wishful thinking, I should have known that the blind cannot receive the truth of the gospel.
Now I need to get my big red marker and put a big X over ever one of your interpretations.

You're following a man.
This is known as belonging to a cult.
You learn from John Calvin instead of learning from Jesus.

This is your prerogative.

Of course, the reformed/calvinist faith system does not agree with ANY OTHER denomination as to the meanings of scripture.
This is because they conform to the calvinist understanding of God as demonstrated in the acronym T.U.L.I.P.
instead of what the NT teaches...which is what every other denomination does.

1. You have no evidence that OSAS was not taught throughout Church history. Someone told you that lie and you swallowed their cool aid.

Of course there's evidence.
Augustine, in the 5th century, INVENTED the idea of man lacking free will.
This is because he was such a great sinner that he finally decided to blame God for his sinning....
which, of course, is what Calvinism does.

He taught however, Preservation of the Saints.
OSAS is an idea that sprang from Preservation of the Saints in about the 19th century.
It sounded good...so other denominations, besides the reformed, adopted this teaching.
Not all however....most kept with the teachings of the NT which teaches that it is possible for forgeit one's salvation in
different way,,,which Jesus DID explain.

2. Every saved person remains faithful to the end, because we are led by the Holy Spirit, who can't fail. But according to your religion, you can and will fail because your salvation is dependant on your good works, just as Islam teaches that you go to paradise if your good works outweigh your evil works. See how pathetic your religion is.

I'm afraid Jesus and Paul do not agree with you.

Paul taught that we must believe and keep our faith TILL THE END.
Hebrews 3:14
For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.


Jesus taught that a person could BELIEVE FOR A WHILE and then FALL AWAY.
Luke 8:13
13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

3. Every saved person fights the good fight, finishes the race and keeps the faith. That's what it means to be saved. It doesn't mean that saved people don't commit sins like murder and adultery, were not perfect, but our Saviour is and we are in Him so God doesn't cunt our sin against us because Jesus has paid for it in advance.

Paul, himself, was worried about being DISQUALIFIED from the race.
1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

I see you blasphemed against God by claiming that Jesus is a liar. Jesus said "nobody can snatch them from My Fathers hand". But because you're a rebellious wise guy, you say, "no Jesus you lie, because "Christian Soldier can". Jesus said nobody can but you say I can, what an abominable, blasphemous disrespectful statement that is.

Here is a statement that is blasphemous:

GOD PREDESTINATED EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS.
THIS INCLUDES SIN, SINNING, AND EVIL.

This is taught about a God that John stated has NO DARKNESS IN HIM.
This is taught about a God that IS LOVE. (not HAS love,,,,but IS love).

What is blasphemy but attributing TO GOD
the works of SATAN?

No saved person can stand by their faith, we all betray God everyday. We fall into all kinds of sin everyday, so what's this rubbish about being "saved by works". That is the Satanic gospel.

Did I ever mention anything about sin?
Feeling guilty?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but my verse destroys yours

1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us".

So, if there is no truth in you, it means that you're a LIAR!!!!

 

[Christian Soldier]

AI-overzicht

The phrase "Once Saved, Always Saved" (OSAS) originated with the teachings of John Calvin in the 16th century and the Synod of Dort, though some theological viewpoints trace the ideas back to Augustine of Hippo. The doctrine asserts that salvation, once genuinely received, can never be lost, a concept that was not a prominent part of earlier church history and is not consistently taught by all Church Fathers.

Calvinist Roots

• John Calvin (1509–1564):
  The core concepts of OSAS are rooted in Calvin's theological framework, particularly his articulation of the perseverance of the saints.
• Synod of Dort (1618-1619):
  This synod formalized and codified these ideas, solidifying them within Calvinist theology and Reformed though
  
  
  Augustine of Hippo (354–430 AD): Some sources suggest that elements of Calvin's ideas on OSAS, and other points of Calvinism, can be traced back over a thousand years to Augustine's writings and teachings on God's grace and predestination.
  
  

Rubbish!!!!, OSAS originated with the Lord Jesus Christ in the year 30 I defy you to find any evidence to show that He didn't. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to find it

 

[Christian Soldier]

Not news to me, as I have expressly quoted and expressly Agreed with Gods Approved word many times.



You obviously are obtuse not knowing the role of every man IN Christ and Christ IN them is equipped and sanctioned and prompted to speak and teach the word of God to others.



Obviously you are attempting to position yourself as a governing despot, over others whom you do not know, nor have made themselves a follower of you.



Probably So.
Because…the Truth IS…
Scripture is FULL of complete Opposites.
AND
ALL Scripture is True.



Oops… you evaded expressly “identifying “MY” supposed Denomination”… before you proceeded to bash (post #415) such “supposed Denomination”…

Now is a good time to “identify MY denomination” and “yours”.

That's news to me, since I can't recall when you agreed with any scriptures. But I do recall, you twisting the meaning of every scripture you ever quoted.

Your Shepherd obviously failed to teach you that those in Christ all have different roles and no two have the same role. So let me help you with this, since your Shepherd is either clueless or he's deliberately keeping you from knowing the truth.

So lets begin with the basics, a Shepherd teaches and a Sheep listens and learns, so there you have it. It's not rocket science, but you're obviously aa unqualified, self appointed Shepherd.
That explains why you haven't got a single verse of scripture right up to this point.

A Sheep needs to shut his mouth and listen to his shepherd, but if you have a wolf in Sheep's clothing teaching you then you should consider looking for a faithful teacher.

I have no idea what you mean by "scripture is full of opposites". If you mean contradictions, then I'm not surprised to hear that from you since there are no contradictions in the Bible at all. No not a single one!!!!

I don't know the name of you cult, but I know it teaches Arminianism. That's painfully obvious, because you interpret every scripture through the Arminian theological lens

 

[Christian Soldier]

You don't understand logic. If a promise is made not to wipe a name from the book of life it stands to reason it could be wiped out.

Rv 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This is the part that implies blotting out is possible.
The promise not to blot out a name makes sense only if blotting out could otherwise happen .Other verses prove it can happen.

It stands in agreement with :

Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

I suggest you actually study the scriptures before hurling accusations of foolishness. Here's a brief lesson in logic for you as well:

When someone says:

...the implication is that **if you don’t do X, I might or will do Y.
This is not stated directly — it's implied.

In classical logic terms, it's close to:​

This logical form is often summarized as "denying the consequent" and is a fundamental aspect of deductive reasoning

But even more precisely, it falls under implicature — the idea that something unstated is nonetheless implied.

Your logic is fundamentally flawed because it's based on a false premiss. In order to make your logic float, you need to add a bunch of presumptions and use a lot of sticky tape to hod your house of cards together, not to mention you have to trample over hundreds of other verses which confirm that your theory is trash.

According to your logic, one has to back mask as they do in the Church of Satan. Then do everything backwards, an d so do you. God assures His people that He won't blot them out of His book of life and you jump to the silly conclusion that He does blot His people out of His book of life and that foolish beyond measure.

In you desperation to make your strawman float, you resort to the time Mises said "blot me out of your book" and then you twist as if God said "I will blot you out of My book".
Exodus 32:33 was not referring to New Testament Christians, you know Israel was Gods chosen people and you know God killed thousands of them in one day because they sinned against Him. Those He killed were born into the Israel, so they were in the book of the living which is not the Lambs book of life, but it is a registry of those who were born into Israel.

If someone was born into a Roman Catholic family and their Parish Priest assured the parents that the child is saved after they are Christened, do you believe that child's name can be removed from the Parish registry, if the child grows up and tells the Priest that he has renounced his faith and joined the Church of Satan?. I have Jewish friends and they told me that they have a mock funeral for those who renounce their Jewish faith to join a different religion.

I have yet to find a single verse ion the Bible, which would even hint at the possibility of a saved persons name being removed from the book of life.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I'm sorry CS,,,but I will NOT be spending my time trying to convince you that names could be blotted out of the Book of Life.

If a name is BLOTTED OUT it means it was there to begin with and then it was BLOTTED OUT/ERASED/REMOVED.

This is for those reading along that might be interested.

Revelation 3:5
5The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.


Notice...the one WHO CONQUERS will NOT be blotted out of the BOOK OF LIFE.
so
The one who DOES NOT CONQUER WILL be blotted out of the BOOK OF LIFE.




Revelation 20:12
12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.


Notice...all were standing before God.
The BOOK OF LIFE was opened....
and they were judged ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAD DONE.



Revelation 20:15
15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


Notice...The above refutes your claim that a person was not in the BOOK OF LIFE to begin with.
Notice that if the name WAS NOT FOUND in the BOOK OF LIFE....(which means he had been BLOTTED OUT as in Rev. 3:5)
he is thrown into the Lake of Fire.



Psalm 69:28
28Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous.

Notice....One can even be blotted out of the BOOK OF THE LIVING !


You really should do a little study on the books....OF LIFE and OF THE LIVING.

In either book a name can be BLOTTED OUT/ERASED/REMOVED.

There's no point in rehashing the same old stuff I previously exposed and destroyed. again I ask, for a single verse where God removes a saved persons name from the book of life.
YES I know God says that He won't remove a saved persons name but He never said He would remove a saved persons name. You think that just because He won't and doesn't that it must mean that He can, but the Bible doesn't say anything of the sort.
You are just presuming upon the Lord and that's a grievous sin on your part. Please show me a verse where God actually removes a sav ed persons name fro the book of life and I will abandon my religion and join yours immediately

 

[Christian Soldier]

DITTO CS.

Please use scripture when posting to me.
Your OPINION does not interest me.

BTW,,,I provided scripture in my first reply to you...
and have provided a lot of scripture just now in my post no. 424..

It is not my responsibility if you do NOT believe what the bible teaches.

I believe what the Bible says and I know it doesn't say what you saying. I asked you many times to provide a single verse to suport your lie biut you never could. But you keep on shown me those verses that say the opposite of what your pushing.

This is how crazy and twisted your theology is, "God says, I will not blot their names out" and you think that means "I will blot their names out" can you even see how twisted and perverted your theology is. It's nothing less than the doctrine of demons.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You're following a man.
This is known as belonging to a cult.
You learn from John Calvin instead of learning from Jesus.

This is your prerogative.

Of course, the reformed/calvinist faith system does not agree with ANY OTHER denomination as to the meanings of scripture.
This is because they conform to the calvinist understanding of God as demonstrated in the acronym T.U.L.I.P.
instead of what the NT teaches...which is what every other denomination does.

Of course there's evidence.
Augustine, in the 5th century, INVENTED the idea of man lacking free will.
This is because he was such a great sinner that he finally decided to blame God for his sinning....
which, of course, is what Calvinism does.

He taught however, Preservation of the Saints.
OSAS is an idea that sprang from Preservation of the Saints in about the 19th century.
It sounded good...so other denominations, besides the reformed, adopted this teaching.
Not all however....most kept with the teachings of the NT which teaches that it is possible for forgeit one's salvation in
different way,,,which Jesus DID explain.

I'm afraid Jesus and Paul do not agree with you.

Paul taught that we must believe and keep our faith TILL THE END.
Hebrews 3:14
For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.


Jesus taught that a person could BELIEVE FOR A WHILE and then FALL AWAY.
Luke 8:13
13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

Paul, himself, was worried about being DISQUALIFIED from the race.
1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.


Here is a statement that is blasphemous:

GOD PREDESTINATED EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS.
THIS INCLUDES SIN, SINNING, AND EVIL.

This is taught about a God that John stated has NO DARKNESS IN HIM.
This is taught about a God that IS LOVE. (not HAS love,,,,but IS love).

What is blasphemy but attributing TO GOD
the works of SATAN?

Did I ever mention anything about sin?
Feeling guilty?

Let's face it, you have placed your faith in Jacob Arminius. I agree with John Calvin who exposed Jacob Arminius as a heretic. I'm sorry if you're offended, but that how I see your him as well and I consider all those like yourself who follow that false prophet as lost and their eyes are closed to the truth.

God the father and the Lord Jesus Christ taught OSAS more than anyone else. So I follow God and you can follow men all you like. I can give you a truck load of scripture to confirm that OSAS is the truth of the gospel, but I doubt that you can handle the truth.

 

[Taken]

Your Shepherd obviously failed …

…let me help you

Not interested in your brand of Accusatory Religion…

You wanna be helpful… be a big boy and back up “your own” accusations with facts.

 

[ProDeo]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but my verse destroys yours

1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us".

Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Where does Paul in Efez 2:10 states that those created in Christ Jesus are without sin ???

Nowhere.

So, if there is no truth in you, it means that you're a LIAR!!!!

Tut tut tut....

 

[Taken]

Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Where does Paul in Efez 2:10 states that those created in Christ Jesus are without sin ???

Nowhere.



Tut tut tut....

I see you and I disagree on OSAS.
I see we agree on some points and a brother in Christ.

@Christian Soldier and I are in agreement on OSAS.
And not in agreement in attempting to weaponize Scripture.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[shepherdsword]

Your logic is fundamentally flawed because it's based on a false premiss. In order to make your logic float, you need to add a bunch of presumptions and use a lot of sticky tape to hod your house of cards together, not to mention you have to trample over hundreds of other verses which confirm that your theory is trash.

According to your logic, one has to back mask as they do in the Church of Satan. Then do everything backwards, an d so do you. God assures His people that He won't blot them out of His book of life and you jump to the silly conclusion that He does blot His people out of His book of life and that foolish beyond measure.

In you desperation to make your strawman float, you resort to the time Mises said "blot me out of your book" and then you twist as if God said "I will blot you out of My book".
Exodus 32:33 was not referring to New Testament Christians, you know Israel was Gods chosen people and you know God killed thousands of them in one day because they sinned against Him. Those He killed were born into the Israel, so they were in the book of the living which is not the Lambs book of life, but it is a registry of those who were born into Israel.

If someone was born into a Roman Catholic family and their Parish Priest assured the parents that the child is saved after they are Christened, do you believe that child's name can be removed from the Parish registry, if the child grows up and tells the Priest that he has renounced his faith and joined the Church of Satan?. I have Jewish friends and they told me that they have a mock funeral for those who renounce their Jewish faith to join a different religion.

I have yet to find a single verse ion the Bible, which would even hint at the possibility of a saved persons name being removed from the book of life.

I just proved the validity of my logic. You are totally clueless about logic. You don't even know what a strawman is. How could you then understand any fallacy of logic. It's pointless to argue with someone who maintains their position no matter how badly it's destroyed. I'll leave you to your error.

 

[GodsGrace]

I just proved the validity of my logic. You are totally clueless about logic. You don't even know what a strawman is. How could you then understand any fallacy of logic. It's pointless to argue with someone who maintains their position no matter how badly it's destroyed. I'll leave you to your error.

I don't think it's really necessary to post to a person that does nothing but insult other Christians....
@ProDeo @Taken

I mean,,,it really gets tiring.
And nothing is accomplished.

And, just for the record....
who is this Arminius guy anyway?!

I don't really want to know.
LOL

 

[Christian Soldier]

Not interested in your brand of Accusatory Religion…

You wanna be helpful… be a big boy and back up “your own” accusations with facts.

My claims or "accusations" as you call them are all based on the Bible. Unlike yourself, I don't have any private views, God doesn't need anyone's opinions or suggestions on how He should have done things.

i notice your approach to Gods word, is not to be instructed or taught anything. You approach Gods Word with the expectation that His Word must conform and comply with your predetermined assumptions. You presume upon the Lord, even though He strictly forbids doing this.

Gods Word s not open to scrutiny or, you don't get to analyse or evaluate His Word. Gods people live by every Word that proceeds from His mouth, we don't cherry pick through the Bible. The Bible is our one and only authority in all matters, it speaks for itself. It doesn't need some wise guy to twist scriptures for his own selfish reasons.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Where does Paul in Efez 2:10 states that those created in Christ Jesus are without sin ???

Nowhere.



Tut tut tut....

So now, you're admitting that you can't stop sinning and you will continue to sin everyday for the rest of your life. You also admit that you can't abide in Christ, and your sin nature still has a hold on you and causes you to sin everyday.

I'm pleased to see you fess up, it shows you have some measure of humility so that's a good thing.

Paul never preached the popular "saved by works" gospel message, so why do so many professing Christians push this idea that we need to meet a bunch of requirements in order to be saved. I don't know of any verse of scripture, where Jesus set any requirements for salvation at all.

Many professing Christians mix the old and new covenants together to form the Judeo/Christian religion which is a combination of "saved by grace" and "saved by keeping the law". But Jesus never required that anyone keep a single law in order to be saved.