Strong Delusion
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2nd Timothy Group
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In readings of the entire Bible, there seems to be a main theme of the Lord's Power. Consistently, we find God saying things like, "Then they will know that I am the Lord." Throughout the Old Testaments, we find accounting after accounting of what will take place in the future. These accountings maintain the theme of Power, for every time the Lord speaks of the incredible things that He does, regardless of how we feel about them, they always exude Power.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 KJV - "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie . . ."
I'm probably wrong, but here's what makes sense to me about the above passage:
This is a remarkable set of text where the context is disobedience and wickedness. The "big lie" that God will cause us to believe is the one where we will believe that we do not have to obey to be saved. And today's church seems to clearly be under this delusion. So, God is about to prove Himself by waking us all up in what I believe could be an instant. In the blink of an eye, our eyes are ears will be opened and the church will pull together as one body, and this will prove to the world that God is the Lord. Unity has not yet taken place, but we are primed and ready for it. For we must come together very soon as God is about to Harvest this country.
The lie that God will get the world to believe, is the same lie that Satan told Adam and Eve, which is that they can disobey and that it won’t be a problem with God. - This is the lie that we have always believed, for it is the very lie that the Devil placed upon mankind, and it is the same as that the vast majority of us live under today (including most “christians”), that is, until Christ places His Holy Hands upon their hearts.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 KJV - "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie . . ."
I'm probably wrong, but here's what makes sense to me about the above passage:
This is a remarkable set of text where the context is disobedience and wickedness. The "big lie" that God will cause us to believe is the one where we will believe that we do not have to obey to be saved. And today's church seems to clearly be under this delusion. So, God is about to prove Himself by waking us all up in what I believe could be an instant. In the blink of an eye, our eyes are ears will be opened and the church will pull together as one body, and this will prove to the world that God is the Lord. Unity has not yet taken place, but we are primed and ready for it. For we must come together very soon as God is about to Harvest this country.
The lie that God will get the world to believe, is the same lie that Satan told Adam and Eve, which is that they can disobey and that it won’t be a problem with God. - This is the lie that we have always believed, for it is the very lie that the Devil placed upon mankind, and it is the same as that the vast majority of us live under today (including most “christians”), that is, until Christ places His Holy Hands upon their hearts.
Ronald David Bruno
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God has given the world many chances throughout our lives to receive the gospel. Jesus said that the gospel would be spread to the entire world and then the end would come ( Matt. 24:14)
So, those written in the Book of Life at that moment in time will have all received God's free gift of salvation. The rest are reprobates. So, what would unbelievers think after hearing about Jesus Coming and the rapture for generations and continually dismissing It, mocking it, but then _ it really happens? They would immediately want to believe in fear and try to make some false ritualistic attempts to plead with God after the Church is raptured? but it wouldnt be real faith and belief in Christ, just an act of fear. But God sends a strong delusion so that they believe the lies.
They didnt want a relationship with God willingly through His grace, mercy and love. Salvation does not come through judgment and fear, so He denies them that. Instead, they believe the Antichrist and follow him to the point of warring against God. Scriptures support this thay after the 7th Trumpet, when the 7 Bowls of God's wrath are poured out - no one repent from that time on. They are delusional and insane to war against God. When the Church leaves, the Restrained (Holy Spirit goes with them, so it is not possible that any would repent, they have taken the mark of the Beast and sealed their fate.
quietthinker
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Could a cut and dried attitude render one being under strong delusion?
Quite the opposite. Those under strong delusion are blown about by every wind of doctrine and faddism.
Ronald David Bruno
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One cannot be delusional for believing in Jesus ... or is that what you are implying? Jesus made it cut and dry. Believe in Him or not!
quietthinker
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In John 8:31-59 Jesus addresses the Jews who believed in him....you might like to familiarise yourself with this anew
CadyandZoe
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In the great rebellion, people will seek greater experiences of pleasure and to this end, they will deny God and abandon a love for the truth. In response to this, God will bring on them a "powerful wandering" an error so strong that it stands without question even in the presence of strong argument and proof to the contrary.
In light of the past five years, one could argue that we are living through those times right now.
Ronald David Bruno
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I am very familiar with those scriptures - as is everyone. Why don't YOU read the context - the whole chapter???
Jesus is in the Temple teaching to a mixed crowd of believers AND PHARISEES. They bring him an adulterous and question him. The Pharisees continue questioning him with doubts after that scene - they didnt leave, like in the movie.
CONTEXT - IS VERY IMPORTANT.
The god here in 2 Thess 2:11 is not God the Father at all sending such.
AKJV has noted of 2 Cor 2:15 for 2 Thess 2:10 and
2 Thess 2:11 is for 1 Tim 4:1
Also 2 Thess 2:9 has John 8:41 and Deut 13:1-5
A foot note on 2 Thess 2: 9-10 By the aid of Satan Antichrist will perform prodigies which men will falsely regard as miracles; and by means of which they will be led to adopt sinful practices and erroneous doctrines.
AKJV has noted of 2 Cor 2:15 for 2 Thess 2:10 and
2 Thess 2:11 is for 1 Tim 4:1
Also 2 Thess 2:9 has John 8:41 and Deut 13:1-5
A foot note on 2 Thess 2: 9-10 By the aid of Satan Antichrist will perform prodigies which men will falsely regard as miracles; and by means of which they will be led to adopt sinful practices and erroneous doctrines.
The scripture proves you wrong
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should a lie;"
The Capital in the G ,let's you know it's of God ,the true God ,when satan is referred to in scripture as a god it's always with a lower case (g) along with all the other false gods .
Yes 1 Timothy does come into play, yet the fact remains ,God sent the delusion
Paul is addressing here what the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit is speaking of specifically, and he is talking about the "latter times"; the times that we are living in today. Evil spirits have a way for bringing their doctrines into a church, and those doctrines of evil spirits enter in the form of a thing that sounds so innocent, yet they have a form that binds you. They start by placing dos and don't that are not in the scripture, but sound so insignificant. Sometimes, they even sound comical when they are first brought up, and at first they appear in a manner that even sounds right, or organized.
This is the way that traditions happen over a long period of time, and in time they are accepted to be of God, when in fact they are entered by a spirit of Satan, and the saints submit to them in innocence. We are living in the latter days and Paul is telling you and I to take a close look at what is being accepted in our houses of God, to see how they have entered into our church and why they are being accepted. Did they come for God, or from one of Satan's seducing spirits. If it came from God, then God's Word through the Prophets, and His disciples, as well as Jesus Himself will endorse and verify that doctrine, or teaching and the things that are accepted as being of God.
If you want to believe a lie, God will allow it; in fact he will help you into the system of deceptions Satan will bring on the earth. Do you really think God will come here and personally show you, and talk to you when you refuse to believe His Word, when He gave it in such detail through the prophets and His Son. If you desire to believe that your going to fly out of here, and refuse His word, He will so block your mind that you will not be capable of understanding truth. God will send the "strong delusion" over your mind. The strong delusion is an act of love given by God for your protection.
II Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned [judged] who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
This is the reason for the "strong delusion" of verse eleven; "That they might be damned", it would be more accurately translated "condemned". Condemned for not believing the truth in God's Word when given to them. They had the warning, but still followed Satan, and partook in his religious system.
"Pleasure in unrighteousness" is not referring to drunken brawls, or whore houses, but it is a continuation of the subject here at hand. That subject is "worshipping the Antichrist [Satan] as the true Christ." You will take pleasure in that damnable sin; that unrighteous act will be done in your total ignorance. It's easy to say "I'm saved", but saved from what? The subject here has changed from that of verse eight, to "being damned through deception." The traditions of men will change this subject, from "being deceived by Satan, and enjoying it" to petty activities of the day.
God sends you strong delusions ? Never !
Jesus is the Light and no darkness is in him.
I had a mates Catholic Mum kick off on this point last time I seen her, pointing to that Jesus must be a tricky dude that's in cahoots with the Devil some how. she was just having a go at her Son who is a religious nut case who try's to wind her up 24/7 with all tricks and cunning, you have to tick all the boxes with him that he has in store for all, one must answer just the way he wants such said.
I do not believe God sends strong delusions ever, as that kicks of a whole can of worms that just bastardises the whole Bible.
God is not into delusions at all I am sure of that.
Gods people (the Church) maybe under strong delusions but that's due to them idolising gods, being led astray.
We find in the OT the same that the people were led astray because the idols that they served blinded them. now who blinded them, it sure as hell was not God, that was the work of Satan.
Did God offer up the Serpent to Eve, No.
Free will, one is free to choose, so it must be the church's that is offered up to strong delusions ? because they are lost. They are now in fact as that can be seen clearly, that they are way out of line going along with the trends of todays world, so as not to offend idiots and Satanist.
Jesus is the Light and no darkness is in him.
I had a mates Catholic Mum kick off on this point last time I seen her, pointing to that Jesus must be a tricky dude that's in cahoots with the Devil some how. she was just having a go at her Son who is a religious nut case who try's to wind her up 24/7 with all tricks and cunning, you have to tick all the boxes with him that he has in store for all, one must answer just the way he wants such said.
I do not believe God sends strong delusions ever, as that kicks of a whole can of worms that just bastardises the whole Bible.
God is not into delusions at all I am sure of that.
Gods people (the Church) maybe under strong delusions but that's due to them idolising gods, being led astray.
We find in the OT the same that the people were led astray because the idols that they served blinded them. now who blinded them, it sure as hell was not God, that was the work of Satan.
Did God offer up the Serpent to Eve, No.
Free will, one is free to choose, so it must be the church's that is offered up to strong delusions ? because they are lost. They are now in fact as that can be seen clearly, that they are way out of line going along with the trends of todays world, so as not to offend idiots and Satanist.
Just gave you scripture, not my words but the Word ,the question you must ask yourself is, why ?The Word gave you that as well.
Did God hardened pharaohs heart ?
Oh ,and all don't have free will .
Ronald Nolette
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For the reason written,
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
King James Version
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
People that refuse the love of the truth- God will make them believe a lie!
It's for their own good though ,as God will not judge them in ignorance ,the ultimate deception is satan pretending to be Christ ,that the lie that those whom believe satan to be Christ will believe . If one was to worship him(satan)knowing who he is ,there would be no hope for them..
No God did not harden such, it was Pharaohs free will that led to that. God ? as such gave free will and as such God did let such. so in that regard it could be seen that God hardened all in such a way, but that was not Gods intent to do such or his will to do. playing a game like as carnal would believe.
If one makes such as you are making out, then that's making out a claim that God is playing games with all ?
Is God changing the goal post as he pleases ?
This was what old mates 90yo mum was getting at, that something is up ? that God must be in cahoots with the Devil she made out to me, there is something about him ? she was pondering. and then pointing out that her son was a nut case to me. thinking that God changes his spots.
I believe that God never changes his spots ever and that he is the same today as he ever was. everything that was like the Commandments are gold set in place never to be tossed aside, so the word of God are Set regardless, now this mate claims that the Commandments are worthless now, that's Blasphemy !
I say they still stand, but they are under Grace, meaning that they do not overshadow Grace but that Grace is over them, due to Christ Jesus coming with the Holy Spirit that gives us Spiritual in site to the Commandments, so it's not the letter of the Law, but that by Grace we can see them in there true worth, as to Mans nature of original Sin that we are dealing with and that we can overcome.
Old mate is the Letter of the Law man, one has to tick off all the boxes that he has set of his religion to make it in his world religion. like a OT Jew leader, Saul for one before he became Paul. that's the way I see him, one must listen to him regardless or else. so no he is of this World I know it, for he truly lacks Grace. he wants to kill all who do not do his Mobs bidding. he has a set agenda that all have to follow his religion and like Paul came to understand, that what St Stephen said in Acts is the God honest truth about the so called Jews, who had only cut a path of Mans works and were Lost as to God. Paul came to see that fact.
God does not change, but there are stumbling blocks set, not as a wrong thing, but a wake up call, so in such a case one could claim God what ever you think, but the truth is such is for the good of all, you can not win against God, everything is set, you only need to obey the rules set. you go out the other way and try and kick against the pricks is the hard way. so pharaoh was kicking against the Pricks = free will of God in that regard.
Was Moses killing of that dude a work of God, well it was free will, God did not do it, but God gave him free will.
Again scripture says otherwise
Exodus 9:12 "And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had spoken unto Moses."
Not understanding what part you missing .
Oh ,God is not playing games
Ronald Nolette
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Well people will openly and freely worship Satans physical Son the antichrist and freely receive his mark! The delusion god sends is not for their good, but for their damnation.
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
King James Version
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
It is a frightening thing when God makes on believe a lie!
Does the Lord harden your heart, try getting away with that one.
Does the Lord Tempt you ? or anyone, C'mon never, such is carnal.
I was tempted by God ? sure
good try. it was the Lord that tempted me ? C'mon. truly ?It comes down to free will, how can God harden ones heart in fact and God can not just do whatever he wants at will, he is not Q playing games.
Why would God send strong delusions, that's Satan bag.
God maybe sending you strong delusions ? think about that, why I do not believe God is into delusions at all. but to deliver you from such.
Does the Lord harden your heart, try getting away with that one.
Does the Lord Tempt you ? or anyone, C'mon never, such is carnal.
I was tempted by God ? sure
It comes down to free will, how can God harden ones heart in fact and God can not just do whatever he wants at will, he is not Q playing games.
Why would God send strong delusions, that's Satan bag.
God maybe sending you strong delusions ? think about that, why I do not believe God is into delusions at all. but to deliver you from such.
You missing the point ,if you read my posts you would see why .
Okay so in telling me I'm wrong ,tell me why, with the scripture that was provided you.
Start with the one below
2 Thessalonians 2:11
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
What part of this I'm I missing, please explain
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