Strong Delusion

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then quit replying to my posts

LOL. I can reply to any post I want, Big Boy.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

LOL. I can reply to any post I want, Big Boy.

Then quit being a crybaby because I don't bow down to you and believe what you say.

Put your big boy britches on and accept the fact that not everyone is going to bow down to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then quit being a crybaby because I don't bow down to you and believe what you say.

Put your big boy britches on and accept the fact that not everyone is going to bow down to you.

LOL. You're a funny one, Big Boy.

 

[quietthinker]

I told you the context. Did you read my post? Is it too hard for you to address what I said? How about you tell me what you think the context is then?

Yes, I read your post. Paul is paraphrasing OT scriptures. Here are some amongst others...
Deuteronomy 29:4,
Jeremiah 5:21,
Ezekiel 12:2.

They speak of Israels 'stiff-necked' attitudes and an unwillingness to take counsel. The onus is on the people not God yet the OT writers put it onto God because they believe God was responsible for everything that happened, both good and bad.
Paul is using their language to make his point. The point he is not making is that God is responsible for the peoples stiff-neckedness, blind eyes and deaf ears.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes, I read your post. Paul is paraphrasing OT scriptures. Here are some amongst others...
Deuteronomy 29:4,
Jeremiah 5:21,
Ezekiel 12:2.

They speak of Israels 'stiff-necked' attitudes and an unwillingness to take counsel. The onus is on the people not God yet the OT writers put it onto God because they believe God was responsible for everything that happened, both good and bad.
Paul is using their language to make his point. The point he is not making is that God is responsible for the peoples stiff-neckedness, blind eyes and deaf ears.

You should not twist scripture like this in order to get it to say what you want it to say. What you're saying about the OT writers is absolutely ridiculous. Do you not know that they were inspired by God? Why would God lead them to write something that wasn't true about Him? That's total nonsense.

As I said, it specifically says that God blinded them, but it wasn't permanent and was done for a specific reason which was to allow the gospel of salvation to come to the Gentiles so that, in turn, they would provoke those blinded Israelites to jealousy so that they too would want to be saved. And Paul said he hoped to lead some of those blinded Israelites to salvation (Romans 11:14) and I'm sure he was successful.

I am NOT saying that God is ever solely responsible for anyone's stiff-neckedness, blind eyes and deaf ears. No, not at all. He hardened or blinded people who had already hardened and blinded themselves, but He just increased their blindness, so to speak. Similar to how He hardened Pharaoh's heart for a certain purpose even though Pharaoh had hardened his own heart originally.

 

[Davy]

The Jews reaped what they sowed so by rejecting Jesus as the Messiah they reaped blindness.

God did not look up one day and say "You know, I think I'll blind all the descendants of Abraham"

The situation they are in concerning blindness is due to reaping what they sow in that they rejected God and caused themselves to be blinded spiritually. 2 Corinthians 4:4 is applicable to the Jews right now and we see many of them accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior and the blindness come off.

You can keep that false attitude all you want, but it won't produce, because you would be going directly against God's written Word.

Rom 11:7-11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, "Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway."
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
KJV


Rom 11:24-32
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
KJV