Summarize what the good news is, find a scripture.

[Wrangler]

Even if that were true, which it is not, you are defying what the law itself that says there is to be just one law for natural born Israelite and the gentile among them.

Right. The law never applied to Gentiles generally, not living among Israeli's.

 

[Wrangler]

Because of stupid men! Not because there is a distinction!

Wow! For over 1,000 years circumcision was a distinguishing characteristic of Hebrew's being in covenant relationship with God, while Gentiles were uncircumscribed.

 

[Wrangler]

Because of stupid men! Not because there is a distinction!

Wow! In your world, Kosher purity laws never existed that distinguished the Hebrew diet from the Gentile diet.

 

[Wrangler]

I said because the church is Jewish at this time.

Which means there was a distinction. Otherwise, saying the letter is for a non-distinct group serves no purpose.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Wow! In your world, Kosher purity laws never existed that distinguished the Hebrew diet from the Gentile diet.

Not a gentile joined to the people of God.
Why is this so hard for you?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Wow! For over 1,000 years circumcision was a distinguishing characteristic of Hebrew's being in covenant relationship with God, while Gentiles were uncircumscribed.

OMG, lol.
Not for gentiles joined to the nation of Israel.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Right. The law never applied to Gentiles generally, not living among Israeli's.

It condemned them as not being in covenant with God.
The law did apply to them in that they had to be joined to the nation and people of God and obey his law.

It's the same today. The non-people of God have to be joined to us, the people of God, and are condemned by their disobedience to our God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Which means there was a distinction. Otherwise, saying the letter is for a non-distinct group serves no purpose.

The only distinction that existed from God was that some are natural born citizens, while others are not.
And the distinction is only called out by God to inform the moronic Israelites that there is to be one law for both Israelite and gentile.
They couldn't even obey that law! Spiritual morons!

 

[Grailhunter]

Well then you haven't read Matthew 5:17-18 carefully enough.

Here's your proof that the fulfillment that Jesus said must occur before any letter can drop from the law has occurred: You don't have to sacrifice an animal for your sin anymore. That shows right there that the fulfillment has occurred.

I have already given you that verse.....till heaven and earth pass away AND all is fulfilled.
And I have told you that the Old Testament refers to the Mosaic Law as forever.
So your point?

 

[Grailhunter]

Everyone who believes in Christ has fulfilled the worship requirements of the law forever.
Passover, for example, didn't go away. It got fulfilled...forever.

The Jews still observe Passover

And the distinction is only called out by God to inform the moronic Israelites that there is to be one law for both Israelite and gentile.
They couldn't even obey that law! Spiritual morons!

Sorry to give you homework but, do you know why God would not allow Moses to pass over the promise land?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Jews still observe Passover

The Jews, because they do not believe in Christ, do not have Christ's fulfillment of the Passover.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sorry to give you homework but, do you know why God would not allow Moses to pass over the promise land?

"Pass over the promise land"?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...till heaven and earth pass away AND all is fulfilled.

'Until'....not 'and'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And I have told you that the Old Testament refers to the Mosaic Law as forever.
So your point?

Christ is the eternal and everlasting fulfillment of the Levitical worship requirements of the Mosaic law.
For example, when Christ entered into the heavenly tabernacle with his own blood he fulfilled the lawful requirement for blood forever and ever, and then some. That's why the people of God don't have to do that anymore. That requirement of law continues and is satisfied, completely and totally for all time, through the blood of Christ ever before the Father in heaven. It is eternally satisfied, not eternally broken and cast away as the church thinks.

 

[Grailhunter]

'Until'....not 'and'.

Read it.....heaven and earth pass.....first
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[Grailhunter]

Christ is the eternal and everlasting fulfillment of the Levitical worship requirements of the Mosaic law.
For example, when Christ entered into the heavenly tabernacle with his own blood he fulfilled the lawful requirement for blood forever and ever, and then some. That's why the people of God don't have to do that anymore. That requirement of law continues and is satisfied, completely and totally for all time, through the blood of Christ ever before the Father in heaven. It is eternally satisfied, not eternally broken and cast away as the church thinks.

Well you are going to have to come up with some scriptures for all that
The prophets told of the temple being rebuilt and the Mosaic Law and the sacrifices continuing forever.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Read it.....heaven and earth pass.....first

No, lol.

From now until heaven and earth pass away.... (he sets the time frame)

nothing will pass from the law... (in that time frame)

until all is fulfilled.​

We know that's what he was saying. Because the law has changed. So we know the fulfillment has occurred.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, lol.

From now until heaven and earth pass away.... (he sets the time frame)

nothing will pass from the law... (in that time frame)

until all is fulfilled.​

We know that's what he was saying. Because the law has changed. So we know the fulfillment has occurred.

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law

The law has changed, yet heaven and earth haven't passed away.
So, simple logic tells us the fulfillment has occurred.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The prophets told of the temple being rebuilt and the Mosaic Law and the sacrifices continuing forever.

But not for purposes of justification.
There's nothing wrong with keeping the Mosaic worship laws. In fact, if the Catholics hadn't invented their own holy days we'd still be worshipping that way. Just not for the purpose of justification. Keeping the law in order to be justified is what is forbidden. Not law keeping itself.