What is this about .....what is not true....Paul persecuted the church before his coversion....is that what you mean?
SUMMARY OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PETER AND PAUL
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[1Ti 6:1-6 KJV] 1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed. 2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise [them], because they are brethren; but rather do [them] service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. 3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
Paul was not talking about the gospel here he was talking about the things in verse 2 written in prior verses of 1 Timothy....he was saying it was corrupt to say getting riches was a sign of being Godly
[2Pe 3:10 KJV] 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
He was actually talking about the day of the Lord and how they should live seeing there would be a new heaven and earth.....Paul wrote of the longsuffering of the Lord's salvation (2 Peter 3:15) as in all of his epistles (2 Peter 3:16).
Ronald David Bruno
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Jesus gave them the first command to take nothing to teach them ), prove to them that they need to trust God, have faith that everything would he provided for them.
Here it is in Luke 22:35
Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”
“Nothing,” they answered."
So now that they were tested and learned, they could take what they wanted.
We have so much riches, in need of nothing. I wonder how any of us would trust in God and go on a mission with absolutely nothing?
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The Spirit of God, the kingdom of God shown in these also
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
The finger of God is called the Spirit of God
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
And when he ordained the twelve sent them to have power and do the same.
Mark 3:14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,
And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils
Jesus said unto these in the same way
Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 10:10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
Luke 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Even as the Kingdom of heaven is like unto a king also which sends out his servants
Mat 22:2-3 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
So the kingdom of heaven is also likened unto a king sending forth his servants to call them that were bidden.
Even as it speaks of being called unto his kingdom and glory
1 Thes 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
Even as the Spirit of Christ in us is our hope of glory.
What if its just showing both, the Kingdom (the Spirit of God working among them in Christ in the above) and the one that was with them (which was also In Christ) who delegated his power by the same who would be in them and so He is evidenced in their midst in that way between them.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
The kingdom of God is righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Thats how I see it, similarly, the Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want, or as Paul says,
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Today, if we did not have a pair of shoes and the Lord would ask, "did you lack anything"?
We could be tempted to respond, I haven't any shoes!
I would regard this as godliness with contentment is great gain 1 Ti 6:6 here
Phil 4:12
I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. Its an instruction |
Ronald David Bruno
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Contentment is something everyone has to learn. Peace comes with contentment. Often people get anxious for things, lack hope and carry burdens that they need to let go and let God. He will not forsake us.Thats how I see it, similarly, the Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want, or as Paul says,
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Today, if we did not have a pair of shoes and the Lord would ask, "did you lack anything"?
We could be tempted to respond, I haven't any shoes!
I would regard this as godliness with contentment is great gain 1 Ti 6:6 here
Phil 4:12
I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
Its an instruction
Behold
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Jesus knew from a very young age that He was going to die on The Cross.
He certainly know it when He was pre-incarnate as "the Word was God"... Jn1.
However, during His 3.5 years of earthly ministry dealing with the Jews.......He didnt tell them about His Cross, or Him dying on it.
Later, after His Resurrection.. when Jesus was back in Heaven.......He called Paul into the Ministry to bring "the preaching of the Cross" to the World, but mostly to the Gentiles, as Jesus's Cross began "the time of the Gentiles".
So, "in the time of the Gentiles" with Paul being the "Apostle TO the Gentiles".. He brought us what he refers to 3x in the NT, as "MY Gospel"..
Jesus never preached this when He was on earth... And Paul preached only "Christ Crucified"., and this is the Gospel that the "church" is to preach to the world.
Ronald David Bruno
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You are mistaken. Since He is the Word, the entire text of the Bible comes from Him. The Holy Spirit teaches all things that come from Christ. That would be His indirect message, All SCRIPTURE: all 66 books from some 40 authors over 1600 years.
Pertaining His death and resurrection, here are a few words we know were quoted within His 3 1/2 year ministry
(* of which only a fraction has been written down).
Matt. 17:22-23 Now while they were staying in Galilee, Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up.” And they were exceedingly sorrowful.
Matt. 20:18-19 Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.
Mark 14:28 But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee.”
Luke 9:22 saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”
Luke 18:31-33 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.
John 2:19-22 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.
Matthew 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
* John 21:25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written."
imagine if all Jesus' words that were verbally spoken, were written down.
We see a red letter edition with about 31,000 words of Jesus. Technically how much teaching is that? Speaking very slowly, that's only about 5 hours of sermons. He could cover that much in one day. Imagine if he only taught the disciples for one hour/day for 3 1/2 years, He would speak 25 times the amount written down. Likely, He talked and answered questions of 12 curious students all day long ... and questions about the mysteries never revealed - only if we could take a peak at those answers omitted and sealed.
Behold
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All of your verses, is Jesus being Prophetic, as His Sacrifice on the Cross had not occurred yet at the time He spoke those words.
So, when there is no Cross, and no Christ on The Cross and no Resurrection... YET... then this is not the Gospel.
As the Gospel is a completed Sacrifice, offer..........not a prophetic one.
See, the Church now preaches "CHRIST Crucified'..... .... not...."Jesus is going to have His Temple destroyed"....or "Accept the blood of the New covenant".. (that has not been shed yet.)
Yes Jesus did tell the disciples of his coming death
May I review something in regard to the verse you listed......you said before:
His resurrection opened the door to our resurrection and eternal life. That is the story all the disciples then and now tell ... well except for you.
You are saying that the disciples preached his resurrection during Christ's earthly ministry
Look at this verse please
[Luk 18:33-34 KJV] 33 And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Jesus spoke of his resurrection and the disciples did not understand it however you say they preached the resurrection
Besides there is nothing recorded in the four gospels of them doing so
Ronald David Bruno
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The point is, Jesus taught the truth about His death and resurrection - you said He didn't.
>> Behold said: " He didnt tell them about His Cross, or Him dying on it".
This is the gospel message taught by all who are led by the Spirit, that He died for our sins, was buried and rose on the third day.
Even John the Baptist introduced Jesus as the sacrificial Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Ronald David Bruno
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No I did not. Where? Don't twist things. During His ministry _ I said _ Jesus sent them out as part of their training ( hands on lessons). He told them not to bring anything, to test their faith and prove to them they would be provided for and would lack nothing. He told them to tell people that Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, to heal the sick, etc. They were not told to evangelize the message of Christ crucified yet, nor to go to the Gentiles yet.
Actually, when Jesus died, they were depressed, broken, confused and afraid! They could not make sense of it all ... but something happened that changed them - they saw Him. And then when the Holy Spirit came, they were empowered and ready.
Here is the quote from you
You are saying the resurrection was the door to our's and told by all the disciples
I only brought up your quote because the resurrection is a vital aspect to the gospel and the disciples were not preaching it.....how then could there be just one gospel if they weren't preaching the resurrection in the four gospels seeing....it was hid from them....they were preaching the kingdom and His name
LoveYeshua
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Behold, the cross is only a method by which Christ died for our sins, Jesus said clearly he would be put to death and would be resurrected on the third day, the means is irrelevant, as I have given to you the appropriate scripture Jesus did announce his death and resurrection and more, if only you would care and read his words you would understand.
The Bronze Serpent (Numbers 21:4-9)
In these verses, It shows the Israelites were bitten by venomous snakes, and God instructed Moses to make a bronze serpent and lift it up on a pole, so that those who looked at it would be healed. Jesus refers to this in John 3:14-15, saying, "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him." Many Christians see this as a symbol of Christ being "lifted up" on the cross for the salvation of humanity. If Jesus quoted this himself it is sufficient for me. Jesus was saying all this, way before Paul.Peace brother.
Dan Clarkston
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If that was actually true, then that would mean some things the Lord says thru biblical writers are lies.
Some people have been deceived in to thinking there are contradictions in God's because some verses don't mean what they think they mean and they failed to go see what God said on whatever subject being studied through out the rest of His Word as to get the Lord's commentary on it rather than the false doctrines coming out of seminaries and bible colleges
No. If Paul did not teach the same gospel that the Apostle taught... that would make Paul a false Apostle... a servant of satan sent to deceived which is not the case.
Those that believe there are two different gospels are the ones that have been deceived and are being used by satan to deceive others. But, this is to be expected in these last days where many are claiming to by of the Lord and are deceiving others as Jesus warned about in Math 24
So when Paul said not accepting the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.... he didn't mean that and it's OK to reject what Jesus taught as not being for us today? That's what the devil it trying very hard to get folks to believe.
Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
It's sad that some believe Jesus lied Luke 16:16, very sad for them in deed.
Deception runs rampant among those that reject the teachings of the Lord Jesus that He spoke during His earthly ministry and the word He spoke was He continued His teaching ministry thru His Apostles after He ascended to Heaven.
they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction
Twisting Paul's writings to make the false claim that Paul taught a different gospel than Jesus ends badly for those doing such.
Some folks going to be very surprised to find out their eternity is going to be the opposite of what they are expecting!
Not lies and not error
Please read all I wrote:
No scripture is in error but there are contradictions but not in error but different dispensations that change God's dealings with us and instructions to us and gospels for us
Dispensations are not time defined but different messages and instructions may overlap
Here is just one example.
[Luk 10:4 KJV] 4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
[Luk 22:36 KJV] 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
See that,,,but now....there is a change
How do we explain these contradictions?.....by rightly dividing the word,,,,knowing there is a but now
Not so.....Paul was chosen to be an apostle by the risen Lord Jesus (Acts 9:15)...but he did preach a different gospel
[1Co 9:17 KJV] 17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
The gospel Paul preached could not be the same as the twelve because it was not revealed to them
[Rom 16:25 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
