Ten virgins

[rebuilder 454]

So where does scripture say we control how much of the Spirit we receive or that some dont get enough of it

In the book of Acts it is established.
Many of the epistles also speak of it.
In the seven letters of Revelation Jesus tells BELIEVERS they have lost their first love and are told to go buy something.
Believers that were missing something.

Paul labeled Believers 4 ways.
Carnal
Babes
Mature
Spiritual.
Believers with increments of Christlikeness.
Paul told us how to get more Spirit

 

[Doug]

In the book of Acts it is established.

Where in Acts

All you listed does not say some get more of the Spirit and some less as you say of the oil

 

[Doug]

Many of the epistles also speak of it.

Where exactly in the epistles does it say some get just a little of the Spirit?

 

[Doug]

In the seven letters of Revelation Jesus tells BELIEVERS they have lost their first love and are told to go buy something.
Believers that were missing something.

[Rev 3:18 KJV] 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Not told to buy the Spirit

 

[rebuilder 454]

Where in Acts

All you listed does not say some get more of the Spirit and some less as you say of the oil

Several places the HS was imparted through the laying on of hands

 

[Doug]

Several places the HS was imparted through the laying on of hands

The Bible is full of verses about the Spirit I am asking you to show me where it says some get more than others

 

[rebuilder 454]

[Rev 3:18 KJV] 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Not told to buy the Spirit

What were they missing?
"Buy" is used figuratively.
" I am sweating like a horse" has zero to do with a "horse"
Jesus using "buy" indicates that they could go get it, while at the same time indicating something is missing.

What they were missing had nothing to do with faith or salvation

 

[Doug]

What were they missing?
"Buy" is used figuratively.
" I am sweating like a horse" has zero to do with a "horse"
Jesus using "buy" indicates that could go get it, while at the same time indicating something is missing.

What they were missing had nothing to do with faith or salvation

So you still cant find any verse that says one believer gets all the Spirit and another not so much
You insist the oil in the ten virgins parable is the Spirit so we need the verse you bases it on because five of them dont have the same amount of oil in their lamps

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Bible is full of verses about the Spirit I am asking you to show me where it says some get more than others

I am more of a factual person that looks at it the other way.
The the fact that they had more indicates they got more, and the fact that Paul classifies believers in 4 categories indicates that the ones that are spiritual got that spiritual dimension. Obviously the others did not go get it.
The fact that Paul says he speaks in tongues more than anyone else, is the one that wrote 2/3 of the epistles, tells us he had more of the spirit than most.
But logic tells us that in the book of Acts the fact that believers received the impartation of the Holy Spirit , through others ,via the laying on of hands, AUTOMATICALLY indicates some had more than others.

Jesus said if you being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children. How much more will your heavily Father give the holy spirit to them that ask him.

 

[David in NJ]

The parable of the ten virgins produces an interesting array of interpretation. This study will present my understanding of this well-known parable. I understand the parable as being directed to Jewish believers to exhort faithful obedience to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in light of his return, and the establishment of His earthly kingdom of heaven.

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Matthew 25:1

First, the context of this parable is regarding the coming of the Lord Jesus. It is an exhortation to be found watchful and obedient.

Secondly, the parable relates to the kingdom of heaven; those of the kingdom are compared to ten virgins.

And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Matthew 25:2

A wise servant is faithful, staunch with what has been entrusted to him, and dutiful. A foolish servant is unprofitable.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Matthew 25:3-4

This is relatively simple on a surface level; the wise were astute enough to make preparations; the foolish were not. Both the wise and the foolish were provided with lamps; the wise virgins were not apathetic, but being fervent, acquired the oil to maximize the profitability of their lamps. The oil, as some claim, is not the Holy Spirit; that would imply that five of the virgins were not believers, and therefore could not represent the kingdom of heaven.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Matthew 25:5-9

The bridegroom did not come immediately; just as the coming of the Lord Jesus is delayed. All the ten virgins arose at the cry; all had some oil initially, but the foolish, lacking perseverance, did not arrange for a delayed coming by buying extra oil.

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Matthew 25:10

The wise servants being ready went in with the bridegroom. The foolish servants were neglectful and did not obey the command to be watchful, and prepared.

The door was shut. This parable does not say that the foolish virgins never entered in however.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Matthew 25:11-12

The other virgins are just that, others. They are not the five foolish virgins. The kingdom of heaven is equated to ten virgins; these others are not of the ten, and are not included in the kingdom. The Lord knows his own; to these other virgins, he says he does not know them. Entrance is denied to these other virgins. Also, Matthew 25:7 refers to all ten as those virgins; therefore there must be others, the others are in verse 11.

The exhortation for us also, is to be furnished with abundant oil of faithfulness to keep our lamps lit.

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Matthew 25:13

No where does Matt 25:1-12 speak of 'Jewish' believers

Have you repented of the satanic teaching of multiple gospels???

The OT Prophets, the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles only spoke of One Gospel that SAVES

 

[rebuilder 454]

So you still cant find any verse that says one believer gets all the Spirit and another not so much
You insist the oil in the ten virgins parable is the Spirit so we need the verse you bases it on because five of them dont have the same amount of oil in their lamps

Huh???
I already showed you 4 or 5 things and I guess went right over your head.
You've never read the book of acts? You don't see where over and over believers receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit through the laying on a hands?
Just plain Logic tells you they received something they didn't have.... and yet you asked me "show me a verse where some had more than others"?????

 

[David in NJ]

So you still cant find any verse that says one believer gets all the Spirit and another not so much
You insist the oil in the ten virgins parable is the Spirit so we need the verse you bases it on because five of them dont have the same amount of oil in their lamps

So you still cant find any verse that says one believer gets all the Spirit and another not so much

Only the LORD Jesus Christ received ALL of the Spirit.

John 3: 34 - For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.

 

[Doug]

No where does Matt 25:1-12 speak of 'Jewish' believers

It speaks to the kingdom of heaven which is the earthly kingdom in which the believing remnant of Israel (the little flock) will reign with Christ a thousand years

 

[David in NJ]

It speaks to the kingdom of heaven which is the earthly kingdom in which the believing remnant of Israel (the little flock) will reign with Christ a thousand years

The parable Speaks of His Second Coming for those who belong to HIM = both Jew & Gentile Holy Spirit filled Believers

Currently, you have been lied to by the doctrines of men.
Pray to the Lord to be delivered from the deception of man that you are under.

 

[Doug]

The OT Prophets, the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles only spoke of One Gospel that SAVES

what is the one gospel

 

[David in NJ]

what is the one gospel

The One Gospel Spoken of by God beginning in Genesis chapter 3

Which culminated in the Lord Jesus Christ at His 1st Coming

Here it is = John chapter 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify about the Light, so that through him everyone might believe. 8He himself was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.

9The true Light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God

 

[Muna]

Actually, you are partially right in the idea of going back further.

Because it was About 10 or 13 sentences earlier than the virgin parable that Jesus used same number, or percentage, of those left behind.
Half went with the bridegroom .and half stayed behind....in both analogies.

That half staying in both analogies is obviously half of a group.
In both analogies 90% of believers grab what their doctrine demands.
Their doctrine demands that the group from which half were left behind has to be the population of the world.

I don't know why 90% of Christianity does not understand that the world has never been half saved and half righteous, and it never will.
Jesus even told us few enter, but many are going to hell.

The ONLY group that fits the 2 analogies Is the church.
NOTHING else fits.

Yes, they are those who call him "Lord Lord".

Who does this?

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

These are likened unto the foolish

Matt 7:26
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand

Which as the foolish call him Lord, Lord, and do not the things which he says

 

[Muna]

So where does scripture say we control how much of the Spirit we receive or that some dont get enough of it

I missed this post Doug, it shows you can quench the Spirit.

1 Thes 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

Here it speaks of the dwelling of them (who are wise) in respects to oil and a man that is foolish spending it up

Prov 20:20 There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise;
but a foolish man spendeth it up.

Prov 29:3 Whoso loveth wisdom rejoiceth his father: but he that keepeth company with harlots
spendeth his substance.

1 Cr 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

Here Paul says,

2Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Here Simon offers money for the same

Acts 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

Peter wasn't selling

Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

He didn't say go to them which sell he just said,

Acts 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

Acts 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

Here it speaks of lamps going out

Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

And here the lamp of the wicked would be put out

Prov 13:9 The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.

This lamp will be put out also

Prov 20:20 Whoso curseth his father or his mother, his lamp shall be put out in obscure darkness.

Let me try this again

Prov 20:20 There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise

Paul says,

2Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Simon is basically saying give me also this oil (or the excellency of power) which is the treasure in this earthen vessel (of the wise)

Acts 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

Whereas the wise answered the foolish saying

Mat 25:29 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Peter answers Simon saying

Acts 8:19 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

There seems to be some buying and selling (or not) in respects to the truth here

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Between both Jesus and/or the Spirit of Truth there seems to be willing souls ready to offer a price for them

Matt 26:15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.

 

[Doug]

The parable Speaks of His Second Coming for those who belong to HIM = both Jew & Gentile Holy Spirit filled Believers

[Mat 24:3, 9, 14 KJV] 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? ... 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. ... 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Look at the context of the parable of the ten virgins

v3 Jesus was talking to his disciples

v9 they the disciples will be afflicted in the tribulation,,,,,,,,this is believing Israel

v14 the gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the tribulation .......the earthly kingdom was promised to believing Israel not the body of Christ

 

[Doug]

The One Gospel Spoken of by God beginning in Genesis chapter 3

Which culminated in the Lord Jesus Christ at His 1st Coming

Here it is = John chapter 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6There came a man who was sent from God. His name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify about the Light, so that through him everyone might believe. 8He himself was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.

9The true Light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God

Where is the cross?
Where is Paul's gospel that he died for sins, a ransom for all, was buried and rose again for our justification?