Ten virgins

[Doug]

1Cr 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Yes you are totally right Truly in all the verses you presented

Just wanted to point something out that trouble some

[1Co 15:1-2 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

When Paul says " ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, " he is not saying you can lose salvation..........he is saying to keep in memory what he preached to be saved from false preaching and teaching

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The parable of the ten virgins produces an interesting array of interpretation. This study will present my understanding of this well-known parable. I understand the parable as being directed to Jewish believers to exhort faithful obedience to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in light of his return, and the establishment of His earthly kingdom of heaven.

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Matthew 25:1

First, the context of this parable is regarding the coming of the Lord Jesus. It is an exhortation to be found watchful and obedient.

Secondly, the parable relates to the kingdom of heaven; those of the kingdom are compared to ten virgins.

And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Matthew 25:2

A wise servant is faithful, staunch with what has been entrusted to him, and dutiful. A foolish servant is unprofitable.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Matthew 25:3-4

This is relatively simple on a surface level; the wise were astute enough to make preparations; the foolish were not. Both the wise and the foolish were provided with lamps; the wise virgins were not apathetic, but being fervent, acquired the oil to maximize the profitability of their lamps. The oil, as some claim, is not the Holy Spirit; that would imply that five of the virgins were not believers, and therefore could not represent the kingdom of heaven.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Matthew 25:5-9

The bridegroom did not come immediately; just as the coming of the Lord Jesus is delayed. All the ten virgins arose at the cry; all had some oil initially, but the foolish, lacking perseverance, did not arrange for a delayed coming by buying extra oil.

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Matthew 25:10

The wise servants being ready went in with the bridegroom. The foolish servants were neglectful and did not obey the command to be watchful, and prepared.

The door was shut. This parable does not say that the foolish virgins never entered in however.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Matthew 25:11-12

The other virgins are just that, others. They are not the five foolish virgins. The kingdom of heaven is equated to ten virgins; these others are not of the ten, and are not included in the kingdom. The Lord knows his own; to these other virgins, he says he does not know them. Entrance is denied to these other virgins. Also, Matthew 25:7 refers to all ten as those virgins; therefore there must be others, the others are in verse 11.

The exhortation for us also, is to be furnished with abundant oil of faithfulness to keep our lamps lit.

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Matthew 25:13

The parable of the ten virgins that slept
Can be helped in
Ephesians 5:13-18 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light. [15] See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, [16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. [17] Wherefore be you not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. [18] And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

 

[Doug]

Almost exactly like Paul.
I met Jesus.

That's all? No details?

 

[Doug]

The parable of the ten virgins that slept
Can be helped in
Ephesians 5:13-18 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light. [15] See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, [16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. [17] Wherefore be you not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. [18] And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Yes you can see some similarity but these verses are talking about not partaking in works of darkness..................[Eph 5:11 KJV] 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

The ten virgins are about believing Israel to be prepared for the coming of the Lord and entering the kingdom on earth in which Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes you can see some similarity but these verses are talking about not partaking in works of darkness..................[Eph 5:11 KJV] 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

The ten virgins are about believing Israel to be prepared for the coming of the Lord and entering the kingdom on earth in which Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years

Why are there some similarities yet these verses are talking about the unfruitfulness of darkness. How can it not be key that Jesus says “wake up you who sleep, and Christ will give you Light.”? Paul was an Israelite. Why say …it’s kind of about that, BUT it is really about this? Why can’t “wake up you who sleep, and Christ will give you Light” be about believing Israel being prepared for the coming of the Lord and entering the kingdom of of God? Which IS also about not having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Again, was not Paul an Israelite? Where “wake up you who sleep, and Christ will give you Light” helps also with
1 Corinthians 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

 

[Doug]

Why are there some similarities yet these verses are talking about the unfruitfulness of darkness. How can it not be key that Jesus says “wake up you who sleep, and Christ will give you Light.”? Paul was an Israelite. Why say …it’s kind of about that, BUT it is really about this? Why can’t “wake up you who sleep, and Christ will give you Light” be about believing Israel being prepared for the coming of the Lord and entering the kingdom of of God? Which IS also about not having fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Again, was not Paul an Israelite? Where “wake up you who sleep, and Christ will give you Light” helps also with
1 Corinthians 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

I mean to say that the similarities are there to draw you to making Ephes 5:13-18 apply....they both talk about sleep and light from lamps......but it ends there as far as I am concerned........you can apply Ephes verses if you want but I can find better verses to apply..................
[Mat 24:44-51 KJV] 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed [is] that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite [his] fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Muna]

You saying Jesus was mistaken ,in describing the foolish virgins as believers?

I have made reference to these three parables concerning the kingdom of heaven in my reply

Mat 13:46 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind

Mat 13:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

How would you come to the conclusion that Jesus is mistaken about anything at all

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Blessed [is] that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Doing what?

 

[Muna]

Ok that's a good thing to do
If you think about it you really will see that the oil is just oil

Then I would have to confess that the parable indicates that those who don't stock up on canola/ coconut/olive/ or whatever other kinds of oil there is are in quite a pickle.

I know there is a lot of people who say otherwise and also make everything about us the church in scripture
All of the parables that teach certain aspects of the earthly kingdom in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years
The parables arent about us but we can make some applications of knowledge from all scripture including the parables

Doug, you know the conversation will just become a series of "nuh uh's and/or yuh huh's" if we do not lay these things out in the scriptures according to how we might be reasoning with them.

Edited: typo

 

[Muna]

Yes you are totally right Truly in all the verses you presented

What I find interesting (and often overlooked) in the summation of things is that Paul begins with Jesus death as first importance in relation to the Gospel. Jesus death/burial/resurrection. Whereas certain others place more of the weight on His birth. Paul excluded that there.

Not that Paul does not mention his birth in an epistle, he obviously does when he says in Gal 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. But that's it (there). That single line which touches upon God sending forth his Son which contains not even a mention of the womans name. That was not mentioned as of first importance, with the words, "unless ye have believed in vain". Which would make sense because in 1 Cr 15:17 he says, if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. And where he is said to be declared the Son of God in Psalm 2:7 as shown in Romans 1:4 and again mentioned in Acts 13:33. As Roman 10:9 say, " That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." So he begins at Jesus death (not at his birth) there.

 

[Muna]

Just wanted to point something out that trouble some

[1Co 15:1-2 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

When Paul says " ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, " he is not saying you can lose salvation..........he is saying to keep in memory what he preached to be saved from false preaching and teaching

I dont know what this means, or who might be troubled concerning the gospel there, I think I am missing what you might be pointing out.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That's all? No details?

That is how ANYONE gets saved.
Unless you are believing that repeating verses is salvation.

The Jailer met Met Jesus.
Doctrine followed salvation.

Are you saying doctrine precedes salvation?

 

[rebuilder 454]

That is how ANYONE gets saved.
Unless you are believing that repeating verses is salvation.

The Jailer met Met Jesus.
Doctrine followed salvation.

Are you saying doctrine precedes salvation?

What does hyper pauline doctrine believe about salvation?
Never mind, I have debated hyperpaulines on this issue.
And it was so amazing, that that hyper pauline, when I pressed him, he did not come to know Jesus under that doctrine. He got born again without doctrine.
I know your doctrine.
Your doctrine is DEATH , BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION.
The 3 words that if not voiced, you can not be saved.


But when I pressed him further, about the missing magic salvation words at his conversion, he said "I probably never was saved."

What a joke.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Sorry Truly but I cant answer that

It is in the parable.
The wise said "no , lest we not have enough for ourselves"
IOW , "Not at this time"
IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE, because time had run out.

The inference is, they could have, but at such a late hour, it could not happen.

At the rapture, the silliness of carnal believers , get them left behind.
The only true way is to be full of the Holy Ghost.
The factor in the parable and in every believer is the oil.
Backsliders and carnal believers stay to face martyrdom.

 

[Doug]

Doing what?

[Mat 24:45 KJV] 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

To enter the earthly kingdom they had to be righteous by keeping the law, they had endure to the end of the tribulation, they had to be faithful

[Luk 12:47 KJV] 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].

They had to do his will

 

[Doug]

Then I would have to confess that the parable indicates that those who don't stock up on canola/ coconut/olive/ or whatever other kinds of oil there is are in quite a pickle.

Canola I think haha

what I mean it is just oil it doesnt represent anything .....the whole parable is to illustrate the principal of reediness

 

[Doug]

Doug, you know the conversation will just become a series of "nuh uh's and/or yuh huh's" if we do not lay these things out in the scriptures according to how we might be reasoning with them.

Hey Truly
I am not clear on what you are saying .
I think we can have a back and forth discussion but there comes a point where a topic can be exhausted and if neither one changes position what is left to discuss
please correct me if needed

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Mat 24:45 KJV] 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

…to give them meat in due season? Truly I think “to give them meat in due season” is significant.
1 Corinthians 3:1-3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. [2] I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able. [3] For you are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are you not carnal, and walk as men?

Point for sharing this is …what is due season? To give meat? And what is the milk Paul fed them? It wasn’t until recently I noticed:
1 Peter 2:1-3Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, [2] and like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow (Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you) in respect to salvation, [3] if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

…to give them meat in due season? Truly I think “to give them meat in due season” is significant.
1 Corinthians 3:1-3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. [2] I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able. [3] For you are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are you not carnal, and walk as men?

Point for sharing this is …what is due season? To give meat? And what is the milk Paul fed them? It wasn’t until recently I noticed:
1 Peter 2:1-3Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, [2] and like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow (Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you) in respect to salvation, [3] if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.

Regarding the five wise virgins …there is only way they are wise (Imo) by sending those who lack oil to the market to buy. Key (Imo) is
2 Corinthians 6:11-16
O you Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. [12] You are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. [13] Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be you also enlarged. [14] Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness? [15] And what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel? [16] And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

[Doug]

I dont know what this means, or who might be troubled concerning the gospel there, I think I am missing what you might be pointing out.

Paul isnt saying if you dont keep in memory what I preach then you will go to hell