the 1335 days, the 1290 days, the 45 days

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Douggg

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Each number is an event, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing,
No, the blessing of Daniel 12:12 that comes at the end of the 1335 days is that the great tribulation saints will get to reign and rule with Jesus when he returns.

Look at the bottom right hand corner of my chart.

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Unlike what Douggg is proposing, that GT ends at day 1335, that is not what I'm proposing, though.
My charts show that the 1335 days of the Great Tribulation end on day 2520.

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And Jesus said the GT would be shortened and we see in Rev there being 1260 days/42 months so the longer times found in Daniel cannot be valid anymore.
No, you are misunderstanding what Jesus meant.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The great tribulation will be cut short of all flesh on earth being wiped out. i.e. limited in length.

The time frames in Daniel 12:11-12 are valid. Jesus did not invalidate them.
Jesus referenced the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel - in Daniel 12:11-12.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
 

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but reread Matt. 24:15-17 Jesus seems to say its something STANDING in the holy place not SOMEONE, and Rev. 13 seems to say its a graven image of the First Beast that the 2nd Beast (FP) makes and places there.
That is correct, Ronald. The abomination of desolation (AoD) will be a statue image of the beast-king. Placed on the temple mount, out in the open (not inside the temple building where the holy of holies chamber is).

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But before then, the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation (ToD), a sit-in the temple in the holy of holies chamber, act.

That act is what gets him killed... mortally wounded. And then a few days later, he comes back to life to become the beast. Of whom, the statue image will be made at the direction of the false prophet, and placed on the temple mount.


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That statue image of the beast-king to be placed on the temple mount - we aren't informed of how big it will be.

My speculation is that it will be pretty big - maybe around 20 ft tall. Something that will be easily seen by them in Jerusalem at that time without having to go onto the temple mount itself - to know that they should flee to the mountains right away for safety.
 

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My charts show that the 1335 days of the Great Tribulation end on day 2520.

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Isn't that what I indicated? That you have GT ending on the last day of this age, day 1335? Which then means you are conflating the wrath of God with GT since you are not allowing for a period of time after the GT in order to fulfill the wrath of God.

BTW, where are the 2300 days on your charts? I would think the 2300 days are relevant since neither you or I agree that the 2300 days involved the days of A4E.
 

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Isn't that what I indicated? That you have GT ending on the last day of this age, day 1335?
No, that is not what you indicated.

Jesus will return on day 2520, the last day of the 7 year 70th week. The 1335 days of the great tribulation will end on day 2520.

BTW, where are the 2300 days on your charts? I would think the 2300 days are relevant since neither you or I agree that the 2300 days involved the days of A4E.
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Here is a table of where all the time frames fit within the 7 years.

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Here is a chart of the seven years, which I added the seven trumpet plagues and the seven vial plagues chart to the top.

The trumpet and vial plagues will take place during 1335 day long great tribulation.

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The great tribulation will be cut short of all flesh on earth being wiped out.

It does not say that. That is a nonsense sentence. The length of the trib would be shortened which means from a longer time period to a shorter time period. It was 7 years, now it is half of that, 42 months.
 

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It does not say that. That is a nonsense sentence. The length of the trib would be shortened which means from a longer time period to a shorter time period. It was 7 years, now it is half of that, 42 months.
The 15 time of the end time frames in the bible, all fit within the 7 years.

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It does not say that. That is a nonsense sentence. The length of the trib would be shortened which means from a longer time period to a shorter time period. It was 7 years, now it is half of that, 42 months.
It does not say that in ANY WISE my friend. So, when did God lie? When he said their would be 70 Weeks or 490 years of penance by Israel, of which there is 7 years left, or did Jesus lie when he stated the ttribulation or troubles would be CUT SHORT? One has to be a lie.......OR..........you have misinterpreted what Jesus said. That is the real answer, Jesus, who KNOWS ALL, is telling us about the 2nd Coming which INDEED STOPS the 7 years of which AT THAT POINT all 490 years have been completed, including the last 1260 days of the Greatest Troubles ever seen by mankind. So, when Jesus says the TROUBLES WILL BE CUT SHORT, that was a given, it could only go to 490 years of penance, and there was thus only 7 years of penance left, so who have started killing Jews (Anti-Christ/Beast) in the middle of the week had EXACTLY 1260 days to rule, not 1261, and not 1259, but 1260 days, thus Jess showing up on day 1260 to kill the AC/Beast/Little Horn does what? It SUERNATURALLY CUTS SHORT the ACTUAL DAYS of this mans rule, in other words without God's intervention this man would have destroyed the whole world, BUT...(this is where you guys go wrong) Jesus was always prophesied to kill this thug after his 1260 days of rule, which cuts his life short.

So, Jesus was telling his disciples about the actual real time events being cut short, and you suppose he's going to cut short the prophesied great tribulation period, but that is not what he said, he is saying the already prophesied event (2nd coming) is what cuts this period down to the before mentioned 7 years and/or 1260 days.
 

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So, Jesus was telling his disciples about the actual real time events being cut short, and you suppose he's going to cut short the prophesied great tribulation period, but that is not what he said,

It is exactly what he said.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The GT is not 7 years long anymore.
 

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The GT is not 7 years long anymore.
The great tribulation was never said to be 7 years long.

What is the 7 years long is the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9

The great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation is standing in a holy place. 1335 days before the day that Jesus returns.

None of the number of days will be shortened.

Maybe the length of the days may be shortened from 24 hr to a lesser number, near the end of the great tribulation, when the sun will become dark as sackcloth and the heavens be shaken, when the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven.
 
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The great tribulation was never said to be 7 years long.

The intretation of 7 years comezx from Daniel. That was the original length of the trib but Jesus said it would be shortened and it has been. There is no longer 7 years of trib according to the NT.



What is the 7 years long is the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9

The great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation is standing in a holy place. 1335 days before the day that Jesus returns.


No, it will be 42 months before the Return. There is no 1335 anymore due to the change in time and length of the trib.


None of the number of days will be shortened.

Jesus said there was so I'm going by that.


Maybe the length of the days may be shortened from 24 hr to a lesser number,


No, that is not what it means. It means less days not days less than 24 hours.


near the end of the great tribulation, when the sun will become dark as sackcloth and the heavens be shaken, when the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven.

That is AFTER the trib has ended already.
 

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The intretation of 7 years comezx from Daniel. That was the original length of the trib but Jesus said it would be shortened and it has been. There is no longer 7 years of trib according to the NT.
Jesus was referring to the great tribulation - that begins when the abomination of desolation is standing the holy place.

The abomination of desolation is not set up at the start of the 7 years.
 

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It is exactly what he said.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Yessssss, he kills the AC on day 1260 of his rule, at the very end when he returns on the last day of the 7 years of the 70th week. Why can you not grasp that he IS CUTTING THE TROUBLES SHORT by coming back on the day he prophesied? Its called reading comprehension skills my friend. Yes we know Jesus cuts the troubles short, he prophesied already that the man will rule 1260 days only, NO MORE. So, the 2nd coming on day 1260 of the Beasts rule, is Jess cutting his life short, which cuts the troubles short.
 

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Yessssss, he kills the AC on day 1260 of his rule, at the very end when he returns on the last day of the 7 years of the 70th week. Why can you not grasp that he IS CUTTING THE TROUBLES SHORT by coming back on the day he prophesied? Its called reading comprehension skills my friend. Yes we know Jesus cuts the troubles short, he prophesied already that the man will rule 1260 days only, NO MORE. So, the 2nd coming on day 1260 of the Beasts rule, is Jess cutting his life short, which cuts the troubles short.

You have serious comprehension problems with the statement He made. He said it would be shorter not the same length! Jess is shaking his head at you and so am I lol