The 144,000 before God at the end.

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General mud slinging.
You can not debate verses?

There is very much of that here. Very sad! I've given up on some members being able to have a Scriptural discussion!

Much love!

 

[rebuilder 454]

When you speak the lie of pre-trib you are playing in the 'mud'.

Going personal is thread killer.
Means you lost to my verses.

 

[David in NJ]

You can show me where I do that. And then you will have something to say.

I've shown you in this place, and you show no remorse nor repentance, only to project it back on me, whom you call a liar.

So where is the shame? Maybe give this some serious consideration. Handling the Word to your own ends.

Much love, and concern!

1 John - "no lie is of the Truth"

Either the Apostle John and the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul are lying or.............someone else!!!

Take your pick

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is very much of that here. Very sad! I've given up on some members being able to have a Scriptural discussion!

Much love!

Yes.
Much better to go with "concept vs concept"
My verses vs theirs.
I love that dynamic.

 

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1 John - "no lie is of the Truth"

Either the Apostle John and the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul are lying or.............someone else!!!

Take your pick

Apparently this means nothing to you. I don't think we have much common ground for discussion. Sorry to say. I like you, but I've tried for a long time now.

Much love!

 

[rebuilder 454]

1 John - "no lie is of the Truth"

Either the Apostle John and the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul are lying or.............someone else!!!

Take your pick

Anybody can say that about anybody.
When I see the character attacks, it means the attackers are outta gas big time.
It is like a surrender.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Apparently this means nothing to you. I don't think we have much common ground for discussion. Sorry to say. I like you, but I've tried for a long time now.

Much love!

It is very hard for them.
They are forced to refute the bible.
That is why they are so frustrated.

 

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Yes.
Much better to go with "concept vs concept"
My verses vs theirs.
I love that dynamic.

There is so much potential in this kind of meetingplace! I just get so disappointed when some just refuse to take a real look into the Scriptures, and insist on holding to their half-formed ideas that force them to deny the plain sayings of so many passages from God's word.

And the thing is, this disagreement isn't based on the rapture or gatherings passages, it's based on the idea that Israel is disqualified, and therefore the church is really Isael, and so the foundation is a basic denial of prophecy, promises God made.

And when someone doesn't believe God will keep His promises they make God out to be a liar. All I can do is ask, Then how do you expect Him to keep His promises to you if you think He's a liar???

Much love!

 

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Just take the mark .
It says ALL take it. Just Hope the bible is wrong about the fate of those refusing the mark.
Stop pretending some take it.
But if you change Gods word to "some", that is your business.
Do you have that privilege?

Revelation 20:4 KJV
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

They were killed for the witness of Jesus and the word of God.

Revelation 13:15-17 KJV
15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

This passage attests to the same.

Both of these passage - appear to me - to connect worshiping the beast with receiving the mark.

My thinking is that everyone will be rounded up and presented to the image of the beast to worship it. Those who do are marked and released. Those who do not are beheaded. Added inducement to worship the beast is economic cancellation unless you do.

Much love!

 

[rebuilder 454]

To be "kept from the hour . . .", that is, to not be present in that timeframe, means, not being on the earht when it's happening. Now, what could cause that? It could be dying. Or maybe removal?

Much love!

Especially when we see all earths inhabitants get the mark.
How can it be anything but removal?

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is so much potential in this kind of meetingplace! I just get so disappointed when some just refuse to take a real look into the Scriptures, and insist on holding to their half-formed ideas that force them to deny the plain sayings of so many passages from God's word.

And the thing is, this disagreement isn't based on the rapture or gatherings passages, it's based on the idea that Israel is disqualified, and therefore the church is really Isael, and so the foundation is a basic denial of prophecy, promises God made.

And when someone doesn't believe God will keep His promises they make God out to be a liar. All I can do is ask, Then how do you expect Him to keep His promises to you if you think He's a liar???

Much love!

It is kinda comical that it is in fact disagreement that makes the debate lively.
We can love each other and disagree.
That is the challenge and pleasure of the interaction.
I love it when i encounter a hound dog like myself. Dig dig dig...get to the meaning....verses interpreting verses.
That is so stimulating!!!

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation 20:4 KJV
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

They were killed for the witness of Jesus and the word of God.

Revelation 13:15-17 KJV
15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

This passage attests to the same.

Both of these passage - appear to me - to connect worshiping the beast with receiving the mark.

My thinking is that everyone will be rounded up and presented to the image of the beast to worship it. Those who do are marked and released. Those who do not are beheaded. Added inducement to worship the beast is economic cancellation unless you do.

Much love!

The power of a tyrant over people is the brutality.
Forced worship.
I 100% believe the mark will come immediately.
In order to establish control the AC must be murderous and brutal but only toward Christians.
We will be labeled as the haters. We will be the only ones to stand directly in the way of the AC.

Currency will be initiated immediately and probably have the image of the AC or the Beast on it. Even the currency will be a form of worship.

Here is my take on the timing of the rapture. It's not that we will be raptured before the appearance of the Antichrist .
I believe he will appear. We alone will know he is the AC.
The dynamic of 1 thes is, "revealed" he will be revealed to believers. We will recognize him right away.
But the trib has not started at that point.
I believe we will ALL be rounded up as christians. The "haters".
Hauled into some huge facility. No roof because it is so huge. More like a compound.

The rapture will be at night.
Before the rapture it will appear we were wrong, no pretrib rapture!!!
Postribbers in their glory still despising the weak deceived pretribs.
Pretribbers so lost and broken hearted.
We will be mocked and laughed at.
Then it happens!!!
The rapture

No postribs are taken. They are the 5 foolish.
But even faithless pretribs may stay also. I don't know.
We have been informed by Gods word we will not go through the gt.
But we see so many conditions for being WORTHY.
DEAR LORD the terror, the intrigue, severe testing, of what looks like we were deceived, but it is in fact part of the rapture glory!!!!
See the unbelievable test of faith that is coming???
That is my passion.
To get the church ready for their greatest test that will blindside over half the church

 

[amigo de christo]

To be "kept from the hour . . .", that is, to not be present in that timeframe, means, not being on the earht when it's happening. Now, what could cause that? It could be dying. Or maybe removal?

Much love!

That is the hour of GODS wrath , not the wrath of satan against the lambs . Its time for all tribbers to return to the bible .
I see even a post tribber making mistakes now . Not david but another one .
WE gotta get back in the bible for ourselves mark .
For ourselves . you all are being led into errors . And ps , i dont think everyone who is pre , mid or post trib
is gonna burn in hell either . BUT we do need to correct the errors for the sakes of the people .
WHY cant folks just get back in the BIBLE for themselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

Going personal is thread killer.
Means you lost to my verses.

Watching folks twist scripture is a killer . Its depressing as heck .

 

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WHY cant folks just get back in the BIBLE for themselves .

That's my question. So many read the words, but don't believe what they say.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Going personal is thread killer.
Means you lost to my verses.

So many discussions end that way. Very sad!

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

The power of a tyrant over people is the brutality.
Forced worship.
I 100% believe the mark will come immediately.
In order to establish control the AC must be murderous and brutal but only toward Christians.
We will be labeled as the haters. We will be the only ones to stand directly in the way of the AC.

Currency will be initiated immediately and probably have the image of the AC or the Beast on it. Even the currency will be a form of worship.

Here is my take on the timing of the rapture. It's not that we will be raptured before the appearance of the Antichrist .
I believe he will appear. We alone will know he is the AC.
The dynamic of 1 thes is, "revealed" he will be revealed to believers. We will recognize him right away.
But the trib has not started at that point.
I believe we will ALL be rounded up as christians. The "haters".
Hauled into some huge facility. No roof because it is so huge. More like a compound.

The rapture will be at night.
Before the rapture it will appear we were wrong, no pretrib rapture!!!
Postribbers in their glory still despising the weak deceived pretribs.
Pretribbers so lost and broken hearted.
We will be mocked and laughed at.
Then it happens!!!
The rapture

No postribs are taken. They are the 5 foolish.
But even faithless pretribs may stay also. I don't know.
We have been informed by Gods word we will not go through the gt.
But we see so many conditions for being WORTHY.
DEAR LORD the terror, the intrigue, severe testing, of what looks like we were deceived, but it is in fact part of the rapture glory!!!!
See the unbelievable test of faith that is coming???
That is my passion.
To get the church ready for their greatest test that will blindside over half the church

I have one question for you and do answer my friend .
IF and i do mean IF , the world were to say we must take some kind of chip or tattoe
WOULD YOU TAKE IT JUST cause the rapture has not yet occured . WOULD YOU Try and convince yourself
it must be okay cause if it were the mark we would already have been raptured . Just please at least answer that .

 

[amigo de christo]

That's my question. So many read the words, but don't believe what they say.

Much love!

You mean like second thessolonians the FIRSTCHAPTER . try reading thatone . it says real clearly
what occurs . WE go home and the wrath of GOD , not the beast , but GOD cometh against ALL who persecuted us .
YOU mean like that . Or how about
where it specfically says in revelations . HOW the wrath of GOD cometh against the beast , fp and all them
And yet when speaking of the beast it says he is allowed to persecute SAINTS . not left behind mark , SAINTS .
ITS you all twisting the scrips my friend . Now i already told rebuilder more than once
i do not agree with any of the tribs completely . Cause while all three do have truths , all three also contain errors .
TIME WE GET BACK IN THE BIBLE MARK

 

[amigo de christo]

So many discussions end that way. Very sad!

Much love!

This people is so busy trying to fight about post , mid and pre trib . YET ALL THREE GROUPS are sucking up
the false love lie . ME THINKS ITS HIGH TIME we get back to teaching JESUS teachings .
GOD showed me something mark . HE showed me why so many teach so many different things
and those things contain errors , HE said GO and see and you will find one common denominator in them all .
THEY have twisted something JESUS or the apostles taught .
Saying things like OH that was for the jews only , or that was for another time
OR that . KNOW ANYONE LIKE THAT . I TAKE EVERY WORD AS TRUTH and EVERY WORD as FOR US .
RIGHT NOW . can YOU say the same , can rebuilder say the same .
If you like i will happily begin to bring teachings of JESUS . I bet many omit some of those
or try and twist them and say things like THOSE were for different times . NO SIR . EVERY WORD OF JESUS
applies TO US TODAY . AND if you or anyone else cannot see that , THEN WHAT IS THE POINT in anything else .

 

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HE showed me why so many teach so many different things
and those things contain errors , HE said GO and see and you will find one common denominator in them all .
THEY have twisted something JESUS or the apostles taught .

People reach conclusions based on part of the Bible, and when they come to something in the other parts of the Bible that doesn't work with their conclusions, they do one of two things.

Either they change their view, or they change the Bible. And no one who makes it their practice to change the Bible will be in agreement with someone who does not. Those who do not will tend to agree with each other. Those who do mostly still do not agree, because each does it their own way.

Much love!