Davy
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I am civil with those who are civil with me. Those who mock and show hatred, I rebuke.you are free to post anything you like
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I am civil with those who are civil with me. Those who mock and show hatred, I rebuke.you are free to post anything you like
YOU Can't stand... that Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 TRUTH that Jesus showed His future return is POST-TRIBULATIONAL!Lol
Your post is saying rev14:14 and mat 24:38 are some bogey man that you hide from.
You just actually admitted it.
You statements are so... STUPID. You show you don't even know... yourself when you are MOCKING THE WORD OF GOD, when you think you are mocking me!!False brethren exist today.
Applying your logic says "therefore there is no church"
How could I be a Jew since you have declared there is no such thing????????
See, unbuild54 doesn't really understand about the "synagogue of Satan", which is NOT SIMPLY JUST ABOUT HIS JEWISH FALSE BRETHREN. That's a false teaching in the seminaries by... the "synagogue of Satan", which most of them they control today.False brethren exist today.
Applying your logic says "therefore there is no church"
How could I be a Jew since you have declared there is no such thing????????
You promoting racial salvation, denies grace so is apostateWatch this :
Jesus was a Jew.
A simple fact.
Now REFRAME my statement into your false racist paranoia.
I have never seen such paranoia in my life.
You guys are desperately paranoid of the word "Jew"
Flat out bizarre
I have no idea what you're babbling about.Yes kinder stuff that you say I don't know.
Everyone on this board knows he was not a Jew.
You accuse people here on almost every post.
Yet you falsely and recklessly accuse me of something so basic.
So far there is zero I learned from you, a person that can not understand what a Jew is , and forbidden by your false doctrine from knowing what "before" means and is not allowed to go to rev14:14.
Your deal is so bizarre you think a drop of creamer in coffee can no longer be called coffee, and anyone doing such a strange thing gets a "teaching" on cream making coffee some 3rd entity.
Way too tedious and ridiculous what that doctrine has done to you.
So God was racist according to you, because none of the 12 disciples were Gentiles? You claim God excluded Gentiles from being one of the 12 disciples.Jesus ministered to Gentiles (Matthew 8:28-34; Matthew 15:21-28). Nothing racist about that.
God deliberately excluding faithful obedient Gentiles from the 144K would be racist. There would be no defensible reason for Him to do so.
So why do you keep declaring this false belief? You call the 144k the church, when clearly they are not.Salvation by ethnicity, the flesh distinction, which denies Grace and is frankly apostate from the Faith
I explained why the original 12 were all Jews. What don't you understand?So God was racist according to you, because none of the 12 disciples were Gentiles? You claim God excluded Gentiles from being one of the 12 disciples.
It clearly is the church.So why do you keep declaring this false belief? You call the 144k the church, when clearly they are not.
The Church and the 144,000So why do you keep declaring this false belief? You call the 144k the church, when clearly they are not.
John 6:27 KJVRevelation 7:3-4 describe the 144,000 as “sealed.” That description is reserved in the NT for believers in Christ – His Body and Bride – His Church:
Does Christ believe in Himself?John 6:27 KJV
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Perhaps not?
Much love!
You refute your own beliefs..NOT ANY OTHER religious organizational group….)but EXCLUSIVELY from ISRAELITES of EVERY TRIBE…teaching preaching their own LIKE ISRAELITES the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Do you have eyes? The Son of man is on the earth, not the church. The church is not the Son of man, nor the 144k.37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.
Do you have ears to hear and eyes to see brethren? Whether or not you understand that parable will reveal whether you do or don't.
No, you did not. All the 144k are of Jacob. Same thing as with the 12 disciples. We are not talking about Jews. We are talking about the natural born offspring of Jacob, not the billions of others who have mixed blood, as if you don't think that a son can have a son can have a son, just like in Scripture. The 12 may have been Jews like many posters are Americans, but we are not talking about Adam's offspring. We are talking about Jacob's.I explained why the original 12 were all Jews. What don't you understand?
Contrary to Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22; you claim that the 12 tribes were exclusively Jews.
There is no implication of the church at all. It is clearly about Jacob's offspring via 12 of Jacob's sons or grandsons.It clearly is the church.
The 144k have nothing to do with the past 2 millennia. They are the firstfruits of the Day of the Lord. So all that applies to a future 1,000 years.The Church and the 144,000
Revelation 7:3-4 describe the 144,000 as “sealed.” That description is reserved in the NT for believers in Christ – His Body and Bride – His Church:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
The Revelation 7 passage is therefore conveying the insight that the OT Israelitish faithful obedient saints of God are included under the NT banner of the Church. This is further confirmed by the meanings of the names of the listed tribes and substitutes (Levi and Joseph replacing Dan and Ephraim), describing spiritual qualities and experiences of those who comprise the Church:
Judah means “praise” (Genesis 29:35)
Reuben means “see, a Son” (Genesis 29:32)
Gad means “fortunate” (Genesis 30:11)
Asher means “happy” (Genesis 30:13)
Naphtali means “wrestling” (Genesis 30:8)
Manasseh means “forgetting” (Genesis 41:51)
Simeon means “heard” (Genesis 29:33)
Levi means “attached” (Genesis 29:34)
Issachar means “wages” (Genesis 30:18)
Zebulon means “dwelling” (Genesis 30:20)
Joseph means “He will add” (Genesis 30:24)
Benjamin means “Son of the right hand” (Genesis 35:17–18)
Similarly, the meanings of the names of Dan and Ephraim convey the reasons for their exclusion:
Dan means “a serpent by the way”(Genesis 49:17)
Satan in the guise of the serpent was responsible for the fall of mankind in Genesis 3, and for the bruising of Messiah's heel in Scripture's first recorded prophecy of Genesis 3:15. It was the same serpent Satan whose head Messiah bruised at Calvary.
Ephraim means “fruitful in the land of mine affliction” (Genesis 41:52)
The reference to “the land of mine affliction” in Ephraim's name's meaning is to that of Egypt, which in Scripture is both a literal and spiritual reality and symbol of bondage. But the Church, God's Chosen People, do not inhabit a land of spiritual affliction and bondage. Rather, they inhabit the Heavenly Jerusalem on Mount Sion (Hebrews 12:22,23), located in the Heavenly Country that God has prepared for the faithful (Hebrews 11:16).
Of additional significance is the order in which the names are presented, differing from the usual presentation by order of birth. In particular, Judah appears first, in recognition of its role as the tribal progenitor of Christ, the Lion of Judah.
While rebellion and apostasy were repetitive afflictions of the OT Israelites, there were still thousands who remained faithful (1 Kings 19:18). Their number is depicted as 12, a scriptural value representing faithfulness; multiplied by 12, representing the faithful from each of the twelve tribes; multiplied by 1,000 representing the indeterminate but large number (Psalms 50:10; Psalms 91:7; Revelation 5:11) of the total faithful in Israel; thus, 144,000.
Revelation 14 continues the descriptions further reflecting the qualities and experiences of the redeemed – the Church. Absent here is any mention of tribal, ethnic, or other distinctions, thus conveying the reality of the inclusivity and unity of the NT Church which now embraces both Israelite and Gentile. Its number can also be depicted as 12, representing faithfulness; multipled by 12 representing the 12 faithful apostles, who with the prophets comprise the foundation of the NT church, with Christ as the Chief Cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20); multiplied by 1,000 representing the indeterminate but large number of the total faithful in the NT Church; thus, also 144,000.
The NT Church's inclusivity and unity are declared in the following:
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:14
For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall…
Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
The 144,00 are described as celibate, meaning that as the Bride of Christ, they are not defiled by adultery with the world (James 4:4). They sing a new song of deliverance and victory. They follow Christ wherever He goes. Their residence is heavenly Jerusalem on Mount Zion. (Hebrews 12:22)
No doubt about it…the Church is written all over the 144,000.
Do you have eyes? The Son of man is on the earth, not the church. The church is not the Son of man, nor the 144k.