The 3 Minor Feasts.

[Marilyn C]

Do you have any scripture that proves the great tribulation is 3.5 years long?

The GT is 1,260 days long while the first part of the trib, is 1,230 days.

The GT being 1,260 days is seen by -

1. 42 months (1,260 days) of anti-Christ`s rule. (Rev. 13: 5)
2. 1,260 days of 2 witness`s testimony. (Rev. 11: 3)
3. Temple trodden underfoot, 42 months. (1,260 days)
4. Israel persecuted `time, times and half a time.` (3 1/2 years, 1,260 days)

 

[Douggg]

Doug,

As we look at what is happening around the world to the Jews, (Gaza, Bondi massacre at Hanukkah celebrations etc) we certainly see that most nations are turning against them as well as well as Islamic terrorists killing them.

I certainly do not see that the nations will accept a Jewish person for their Global leader.

Jesus was a Jew. And He will rule over the nations with a rod of iron when He returns.

The Antichrist person will be a Jew as well.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Day of the Lord occurs on one 24-hour day.

I think you are confused about the tribulation being the wrath of God. The wrath of God lasts one year.

The great tribulation is when the beast is killing Jews. The wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on an unbelieving world. They are not the same event.

The Hebrew and Greek word for `Day` means a period of time and a specific day.

Joel 2 & 3 reveal that a period of time elapses before the specific return of the Lord. (Joel 2 & 3, 3: 16)

No confusion.

The Great tribulation. Invariably scripture connects this time with tribulation and suffering. Zephaniah (1: 14 - 18) provides one of the most concise descriptive accounts, as being more serve than any other in history. This is confirmed by Jeremiah (30: 7) and Daniel (12: 1).

Jesus Himself warned `For there will be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning to this time, no nor ever shall be. (Matt. 24: 21) John succinctly epitomizes it as `the Day of the wrath of God.` (Rev. 6: 15 - 17)

The Greek word `orge` expresses wrath, anger, vengeance with connotations of punishment. To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. (Is. 26: 21)

 

[Douggg]

The Day of the Lord occurs on one 24-hour day.

2Peter3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[David in NJ]

So how is it that the Thessalonians knew about the Day of the LORD?

`you don`t need...for you yourselves KNOW perfectly..` is NOT the same as `it is not for you to know...`

From Genesis, Isaiah , Daniel , Zechariah , Joel

 

[Marilyn C]

From Genesis, Isaiah , Daniel , Zechariah , Joel

David,

Genesis?

In Acts 1: 6 & 7 the discussion was about when the Lord would restore Israel`s rulership.

In 1 Thess. 5: 1 - 5 the discussion refers to the Body of Christ not going into the time of the Day of the LORD.

Two different occasions for two different groups of people.

 

[David in NJ]

David,

Genesis?

In Acts 1: 6 & 7 the discussion was about when the Lord would restore Israel`s rulership.

In 1 Thess. 5: 1 - 5 the discussion refers to the Body of Christ not going into the time of the Day of the LORD.

Two different occasions for two different groups of people.

The Day of the Lord came once before in Genesis = remember Noah and the Flood

Noah and family = Mankind made in the image of God, who by Faith in the Word was deemed righteous by the One who Forgives sins and grants His Grace unto Salvation.

Just as Noah and family escaped God's Wrath, so to will we who are in the Ark of Covenant = CHRIST

 

[The Light]

Jesus was a Jew. And He will rule over the nations with a rod of iron when He returns.

The Antichrist person will be a Jew as well.

I am unaware of any scripture that says that the Antichrist is a Jew.

Chapter and verse?

 

[The Light]

2Peter3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Right. One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

A day is also a year, and a day is also 24 hours.

The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. The armies of the earth will be gathered in the valley of decision. Armageddon will occur when the Lord comes with armies of heaven and speaks the Word. And destruction of those gathered will occur.

1 Thes 5
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Joel 3
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

Revelation 16
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Revelation 19
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[Douggg]

I am unaware of any scripture that says that the Antichrist is a Jew.

Chapter and verse?

It takes 3 verses and the definition of "anti".

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel messiah. The "Anti", instead of and against Jesus the true messiah, Christ will be another Jew that the Jews will embrace as their King of Israel messiah.

In Revelation 6,:2 the rider on a white horse (symbolic of a messiah figure) will be given a crown. The crown will be that he will be anointed the King of Israel, messiah.

 

[Douggg]

1 Thes 5
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Yes, that is descriptive of the beginning of day of the Lord. The day of Christ (the Lord) in 2Thessalonians2:2 begins with the ToD act described in 2Thessalonian2.4.

The ToD act will be without anticipation, as the unsaved world prior to that will be saying "peace and safety" of a false messianic age of 1Thessalonains5:.3.

I noted the beginning on the chart on the left side. As the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act.

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes, that is descriptive of the beginning of day of the Lord. The day of Christ (the Lord) in 2Thessalonians2:2 begins with the ToD act described in 2Thessalonian2.4.

The ToD act will be without anticipation, as the unsaved world prior to that will be saying "peace and safety" of a false messianic age of 1Thessalonains5:.3.

I noted the beginning on the chart on the left side. As the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act.

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How does that line up with what is said between the 6th and 7th vial?

Rv 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

[Douggg]

How does that line up with what is said between the 6th and 7th vial?

Rv 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Jesus's return will be something that the unsaved world will not be expecting.

To them who turn to Jesus during the great tribulation, they are to be watching, ready for His return.

 

[The Light]

The Great tribulation. Invariably scripture connects this time with tribulation and suffering. Zephaniah (1: 14 - 18) provides one of the most concise descriptive accounts, as being more serve than any other in history. This is confirmed by Jeremiah (30: 7) and Daniel (12: 1).

Jesus Himself warned `For there will be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning to this time, no nor ever shall be. (Matt. 24: 21) John succinctly epitomizes it as `the Day of the wrath of God.` (Rev. 6: 15 - 17)

The Greek word `orge` expresses wrath, anger, vengeance with connotations of punishment. To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. (Is. 26: 21)

What I don't think you understand is that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. We can conclude that because immediately after the tribulation of the those days (the great tribulation), the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven in Matthew 24:29-30 which is exactly what happens at the 6th seal. In other words, Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest and then all return to heaven for the marriage supper.

Then the 7th seal, one year wrath of God begins.

So what I am trying to explain is that the great tribulation is not 1260 days long because at least 360 days of the 1260 days is the ONE YEAR wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

Jesus's return will be something that the unsaved world will not be expecting.

To them who turn to Jesus during the great tribulation, they are to be watching, ready for His return.

The great tribulation and the wrath of God are not the same thing.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.........7 trumpets and 7 vials. The Day of the Lord occurs at the 7th trumpet and 7th vial as the trumpets and vials happen in the same timeframe which is the one year wrath of God.

 

[ewq1938]

The GT is 1,260 days long while the first part of the trib, is 1,230 days.

The trib is not in two parts and it is 42 months in total, not double that length.

 

[ewq1938]

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal.

No. It hadn't started when the 6th seal was opened. The seals were opened long and the trib hasn't started yet. The seals were all opened at one time when Christ ascended.

 

[Marilyn C]

What I don't think you understand is that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. We can conclude that because immediately after the tribulation of the those days (the great tribulation), the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven in Matthew 24:29-30 which is exactly what happens at the 6th seal. In other words, Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest and then all return to heaven for the marriage supper.

Then the 7th seal, one year wrath of God begins.

So what I am trying to explain is that the great tribulation is not 1260 days long because at least 360 days of the 1260 days is the ONE YEAR wrath of God.

And scriptures clearly shown this view please.

 

[Marilyn C]

No. It hadn't started when the 6th seal was opened. The seals were opened long and the trib hasn't started yet. The seals were all opened at one time when Christ ascended.

Yes, they were shown, but the scroll is a judgment scroll of what WILL be judged.

The Father has given all judgment to the Son and will hand Him, as it were what is to be judged in the form of a legal scroll. (John 5: 27 Rev. 5: 7 Rev. 4: 5 `thunderings` etc judgment throne)

 

[Douggg]

The great tribulation and the wrath of God are not the same thing.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.........7 trumpets and 7 vials. The Day of the Lord occurs at the 7th trumpet and 7th vial as the trumpets and vials happen in the same timeframe which is the one year wrath of God.

The 7 trumpets and the 7 vials take place during the great tribulation.

The great tribiulation ends the day that Jesus returns.

The 6th seal event is when the sign of the Son of man will appear in the third heaven, as the cosmos parts. Matthew 24:29 - Matthew 24a corresponds to the sixth seal.

I note Matthew 24:29 on my chart below. In Matthew 24:29 is the phrase "after the tribulation of those days". So you are close to being right. The great tribulation will almost over at the sixth seal - but not completely. There will be 45 days left.

The armies that gather at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven will be destroyed the day that Jesus returns, as the 'wrath of the Lamb" takes place (noted on the chart).