The 3 Minor Feasts.

[The Light]

It does not say anything about the gathering of elect in the text of the sixth seal in Revelation 6:12-17.

When the 6th seal is opened the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven.

In Matthew 24. Luke 21 and Mark 13 the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven and then Jesus comes for the elect.

Use some simple deductive reasoning so you can understand that God has provided a timestamp of the signs of the sun, moon and stars se we can know that the gathering from heaven and earth occurs at the 6th seal as Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth at the 6th seal

 

[Douggg]

When the 6th seal is opened the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven.

In Matthew 24. Luke 21 and Mark 13 the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven and then Jesus comes for the elect.

Use some simple deductive reasoning so you can understand that God has provided a timestamp of the signs of the sun, moon and stars se we can know that the gathering from heaven and earth occurs at the 6th seal as Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth at the 6th seal

The 6th seal event is when the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven, Matthew 24:29-30a. 45 days before Jesus descends to earth coming in power and great glory in Matthew 24:30b.

Once returned back to earth, Jesus will send His angels to gather the elect - the Jews from the nations to Israel. The gathering of the Jews, the house of Israel, is also in Ezekiel 39:28.

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

 

[The Light]

The 6th seal event is when the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven, Matthew 24:29-30a. 45 days before Jesus descends to earth coming in power and great glory in Matthew 24:30b.

Once returned back to earth, Jesus will send His angels to gather the elect - the Jews from the nations to Israel. The gathering of the Jews, the house of Israel, is also in Ezekiel 39:28.

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

This is just something you have made up. It does not agree with scripture.

The 7th seal wrath of God lasts one year. All those trumpets and vials occur and all you can think of is the 45 days. What about the 5 months of the stinging locusts..............you skip it all.

 

[Douggg]

The 7th seal wrath of God lasts one year. All those trumpets and vials occur and all you can think of is the 45 days. What about the 5 months of the stinging locusts..............you skip it all.

The trumpets and vials fits within 1335 day great tribulation. The 5 months of the flesh tormenting locust creatures are on the chart, 5th trumpet, woe one.

 

[The Light]

The trumpets and vials fits within 1335 day great tribulation. The 5 months of the flesh tormenting locust creatures are on the chart, 5th trumpet, woe one.

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is set up.

The great tribulation ends at the 6th seal.

Those trumpets and vials are part of the 7th seal wrath of God.

 

[Douggg]

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is set up.

The great tribulation ends at the 6th seal.

Those trumpets and vials are part of the 7th seal wrath of God.

The seventh seal is a seal that Jesus removed on the book having seven seals in Revelation 5.

Jesus removes the seventh seal in Revelation 8:1. Revelation 8 begins with the seven angels having trumpets that when sounded smite the earth with plagues (called plagues in Revelation 15:1, Revelation 15:6, Revelation 15:8, Revelation 16:9, Revelation 16:9, Revelation 18:8, Revelation 21:9, Revelation 22:18)

So there will be seven trumpet sounded plagues. And seven vials of God's wrath poured out plagues.

 

[The Light]

The seventh seal is a seal that Jesus removed on the book having seven seals in Revelation 5.

Jesus removes the seventh seal in Revelation 8:1. Revelation 8 begins with the seven angels having trumpets that when sounded smite the earth with plagues (called plagues in Revelation 15:1, Revelation 15:6, Revelation 15:8, Revelation 16:9, Revelation 16:9, Revelation 18:8, Revelation 21:9, Revelation 22:18)

So there will be seven trumpet sounded plagues. And seven vials of God's wrath poured out plagues.

The wrath of God lasts a year before Armageddon. It is NOT part of the great tribulation.

 

[Douggg]

The wrath of God lasts a year before Armageddon. It is NOT part of the great tribulation.

Are you talking about the seven vials of God wrath poured out ?

Armageddon is in Revelation 16:14-16. In Revelation 16:17, the seventh vial of God's wrath is poured out.

 

[The Light]

Are you talking about the seven vials of God wrath poured out ?

I'm talking about the seven trumpets and 7 vials of God's wrath. They happen in the same timeframe and are not part of the great tribulation.

How is it not understood that the 5th seal great tribulation is when the beast is killing believers and the 7th seal wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on an unbelieving and evil world. How can anyone possibly think these are the same?

Armageddon is in Revelation 16:14-16. In Revelation 16:17, the seventh vial of God's wrath is poured out.

OK. What am I missing?

 

[Douggg]

OK. What am I missing?

You are missing that the seven vials of God's are within the great tribulation period, which ends when Jesus returns.

Look at the lower right hand corner of my chart of the seven years. See the 7th vial poured out, after the kings of the earth gather their armies at Armageddon, but before Jesus descends down to earth.

 

[Douggg]

How is it not understood that the 5th seal great tribulation is when the beast is killing believers and the 7th seal wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on an unbelieving and evil world. How can anyone possibly think these are the same?

The fifth seal is the martyred great tribulation saints, their souls in heaven, plead to Jesus to avenge their deaths.

The seventh seal, opened in Revelation 8, reveals the beginning of the seven trumpet plagues. Then later in Revelation 16, the beginning of the seven vials' of God's wrath plagues.

 

[The Light]

You are missing that the seven vials of God's are within the great tribulation period, which ends when Jesus returns.

That's the whole point. The 7 vials occur after the great tribulation is over and are part of the 7th seal wrath of God.

I have proved to you over and over with scripture that what you are saying is incorrect.

Instead of Jesus coming in the clouds and sending His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth like the scripture says you want to say only the sign of the Son of man appears.

Then you want to say that 45 later that the armies have been gathered for Armageddon. I have tried to explain to you that this is impossible as the 7th seal wrath of God lasts for one year and we can prove with scripture that the locusts are stinging men for 5 months which is 60 days. Therefore, you cannot possibly be correct.

Do you see anything about Armageddon in the following verse?

Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Your failure to adjust your line of thinking that only the sign of the son of man appears at the 6th seal is folly. Jesus returns and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper as the 7th seal wrath of God takes place on the earth.

It is not wise to continue to publish information that is proven false.

 

[Douggg]

That's the whole point. The 7 vials occur after the great tribulation is over and are part of the 7th seal wrath of God.

No. The great tribulation includes the plagues of the seven trumpets and the plagues of the seven vials.

Also, you are incorrectly saying "the 7th seal wrath of God". The seven trumpets of Revelation 8 are not called the wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

The fifth seal is the martyred great tribulation saints, their souls in heaven, plead to Jesus to avenge their deaths.

True

The seventh seal, opened in Revelation 8, reveals the beginning of the seven trumpet plagues. Then later in Revelation 16, the beginning of the seven vials' of God's wrath plagues.

The trumpets and vials do not occur with the trumpets first and then the vials.

Paul is getting two different visions of the same timeframe. The first trumpet sounds and it is followed by the vial. Then the second trumpet which is followed by the second vial. Etc. etc. etc.

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You should be able to easily determine that your chart is incorrect.

The seals happen in order. The 7th seal follows the 6th seal and yet you have the 7th seal beginning in the middle of the 2nd seal.

And of course, you have the trumpets and vials happening within the great tribulation. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and then the 7th seal is opened, and the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath occur.

 

[The Light]

No. The great tribulation includes the plagues of the seven trumpets and the plagues of the seven vials.

Do you understand what IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days means? If you do then you would realize that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and then the 7th seal is opened and Gods wrath occurs. 6 follows 7. Simple

Also, you are incorrectly saying "the 7th seal wrath of God". The seven trumpets of Revelation 8 are not called the wrath of God.

The trumpets and vials are the wrath of God.

What happens at the end of the 6th seal?

Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Douggg]

Do you understand what IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days means? If you do then you would realize that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and then the 7th seal is opened and Gods wrath occurs. 6 follows 7. Simple

It means 1290 days after the abomination of desolation is set up, the sixth seal will immediately take place and the sign of the Son of man take place in heaven. Jesus, sickle in hand.

The kings of the earth, terrified, will then gather their armies at Armageddon for 45 days to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven. Near the end of the 45 days, the seventh vial of God's wrath is poured out.

Then, 1335 days after the abomination of desolation is setup, Jesus descends to earth, and brings the abomination of desolation - that started the great tribulation - into flames, turning it to ashes - exposing Satan there on the temple mount.

 

[Douggg]

What happens at the end of the 6th seal?

Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The kings of earth, terrified by their seeing Jesus sickle in hand, realize that Jesus is coming to execute judgment on them for their participation in martyring the great tribulation saints.
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The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is setup. It will last 1335 days.

QUESTION FOR YOU: When is the abomination of desolation destroyed, removed, from the temple mount to end the great tribulation? Remember, the text of Revelation 13 says the statue image will have come to life, and be speaking.

 

[Douggg]

You should be able to easily determine that your chart is incorrect.

The seals happen in order. The 7th seal follows the 6th seal and yet you have the 7th seal beginning in the middle of the 2nd seal.

No, my chart is correct.

The seventh seal is opened to reveal the seven trumpets plagues of the great tribulation.

On the chart is the ToD act and the AoD setup. On the second chart down below is the ToD act and the AoD setup, at a time when peace is taken from the earth as the red horse of second seal takes place.





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[The Light]

No, my chart is correct.

The seventh seal is opened to reveal the seven trumpets plagues of the great tribulation.

That's kind of impossible since the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the 7th seal would not be opened yet.

 

[Douggg]

That's kind of impossible since the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the 7th seal would not be opened yet.

All of the seals were opened when John was in heaven. If the seals have not been opened yet, we would not know what was contained in the book sealed with the seven seals.

QUESTION FOR YOU: When is the abomination of desolation destroyed, removed, from the temple mount to end the great tribulation? Remember, the text of Revelation 13 says the statue image will have come to life, and be speaking.