The 4 Eternal Destinies of Humankind
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Taken
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Agree…Ultimately …
Every human Must bodily die.
Every human body shall be raised, judged, receive a new for ever living body and exist in the presence of the Lord God Almighty…
Or
Be destroyed and forgotten.
Mean time…While a human IS Alive in his natural body…regardless of his individual length of Life in his natural body…
…Hearing of the Lord God, Learning About the Lord God…Accepting, Rejecting the Lord God…IS phases of a human mans LIFE…
WHICH Definitely (from moment to moment) AFFECT individual humans.
Negatively & Positively…from other humans.
Negatively & Positively…from God.
God Bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
Ronald Nolette
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I totally agree with the two judgments and resurrections in the end.
However you seem to have two classes of saved and two classes of unsaved.
Teh lake of fire is an eternal abode and not a place where the lost are cremated and put out of existence.
Teh outer darkness is the same as the lake of fire. Unclean are lost as much as the wicked.
As for "heaven"?
Revelation 21
King James Version
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
New Jerusalem comes down to the new earth and all can enter and bring God glory.
Good analysis.
Actually only one of the 4 destinies is directly involved in the second death....the killing of both body and soul.
The lake of fire is the second death...exterminating the wicked.
Not even close. Darkness has no fire in it. Fire IS light. So you are confusing darkness with light and light with darkness. And that is VERY confused indeed.
Sort of. But whoever believes in Jesus will be saved. Saved to what? God decides who are His vessels of honour and who is for dishonour. The filthy are cast away...spit out...but they are still saved.
Very few indeed.
Bruce-Leiter
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The four are not as clear as you say. Believers are righteous saints, as Paul addressed them in his letters. The unclean are the wicked. There are two destinations with the narrow and wide gates.
Behold
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The born again, who are the "new creation in Christ", are currently all over the world.. and they are also "seated in Heavenly Places, In Christ".
"outer darkness" is symbolic.
Its explaining that as "God exists in Light" and "Jesus is the Light of the World".. then to be a part of THEM, as "in Christ" and "one with God", you are a part of the LIGHT, which is the KOG.
So, DARKNESS, is symbolic of not being a part of the Light of God, not being IN the KOG..... which if you are born again...you are born again as a "child of THE Light", having been "translated from DARKNESS............to LIGHT".
See that Reader?
There is no "death", of the Spirit... as that is the real person, who lives in the body that dies.....but not the Spirit.
So, eternal Damnation, is not temporary, and that is the place where these........are currently heading..
John 3:36.
So, to end up, DAMNED, because you are never born again, is exactly the same thing as the 2nd Death, or outer darkness.
Is a continuation, of Damnation, its a eternal separation from God.... that is now the eternity for all who have not been born again, and died.
If you are born again, you are never going to be a LOSER, when you meet Jesus, as just being there at the Judgment Seat of Christ, is an eternal WIN... especially when you consider the alternative eternal position.
And if you are not born again, you will face the Great White Throne Judgement, that is waiting for all Christ Rejectors, who have never been born again.
Bruce-Leiter
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Dear Episkopos,
There is only ONE eternal destiny for mankind:
Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Cor 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection from the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Mankind's eternal destiny is to be made into the children of God who will dwell in the Kingdom of Heaven for all time.
To accomplish this outcome, the Father sent Jesus Christ into the world.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
And since Jesus Christ is mankind's God, He cannot fail.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Cor 13:8 Love never fails;
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Why do you believe that Christ is going to be a failure in this mission that His Father gave Him?
There is really only ONE answer to this question: A person will believe that salvation is a combined work of Jesus Christ and mankind. And because some people will not or cannot do their part in their own salvation, not everyone will be saved.
However, this reason is contradicted over and over again by God's Word.
When Christ is ready to save a person, He will come to them just like He did with Paul on the Damascus Road. When Christ comes, He will give the person the Holy Spirit without their asking or permission. Christ gives them this gift solely because of His grace. Then, with the Holy Spirit indwelling the person, the person's heart and mind will be changed and they will confess Jesus as Lord:
1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.
In this age, Christ is ONLY saving the people who have been chosen for an early salvation. They are the Elect and are the first fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind. The main harvest of mankind will occur that the end of the final age. Only then will this scripture below be testified to be true:
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
In the end, Christ will accomplish the Father's "will" for mankind and will have many new children. He cannot possibly fail, not even for one person.
Joe
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Dear Episkopos,You can lead a horse to water....
You are not leading people to drink water (Holy Spirit), you are leading them to drink the mixed wine of Satan:
Prov 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
When a believer mixes the Old Wine (Old Covenant based on man's works) with the New Wine (New Covenant based on the works of Christ), they are committing the sin that leads to death. Mixed wine "biteth like a serpent" and it poisons the believer who drinks it.
Mixed wine is the primary teaching of the false gospel that is taught in all the apostate churches of this world - all the approx. 2,000 different denominations and sects who call themselves "Christian".
The verse below applies to same concept of drinking mixed wine:
Rev 3:15 "'I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! 16 So then because thou art lukewarm (works mixed with faith), and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Don't you realize that these scriptures which I presented above have applied to every new believer (babes) since the church became apostate at the end of the 1st century?
These verses apply:
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone (truth), but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High doth not there proceed evil and good?
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The pathway to salvation that Christ causes His Elect to travel passes through the apostate church.
Every Elect believer since the death of Paul has experienced their "day of evil" when Satan governs them from within via the spirit of anti-Christ. The spirit of anti-Christ is the strong delusion that God sent into the church and is what causes a "babe" to believe the lie. The lie is Satan's false gospel which mixes works with faith (mixed wine/lukewarm).
2Thes 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Because every Elect believer will become apostate shortly after they are given the Early Rain of the Spirit, Christ will return to them before they die. When Christ comes, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them and heal their spiritual blindness. With the baptism of the Spirit, the Spirit will cause the Elect believer to repent of their works and begin approaching Christ solely by faith. And with their new ability to "see" Christ (truth), the Elect believer will come out from Satan's deceptions. This is when the person will "see" the Abomination of Desolation that previously occurred within themselves when the spirit of anti-Christ entered them.
This verse applies:
Mat 24:15 When (not "if") ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Unless a believer sees the Abomination of Desolation before they die, they will die in their apostate condition and be resurrected to judgment in the Lake of Fire.
This verse applies:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Most believers who are called to be saints will die in their sins. They simply were not "chosen" from the foundation of the world to be saved in this age. They will remain in the group of "many" who make up the apostate church.
However, a "few" of the "many" have been chosen to be saved before they die. For them, Christ will come to them a second time and will convert them with the Latter Rain of the Spirit, followed by judgment. They are the Elect, First Fruits, Heirs, Saints, Bride and vessels of honor.
Salvation happens to a person solely by the works of Christ that He does within them. A person has no ability to contribute anything toward their own salvation. Even a person's repentance and faith come from Christ.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
And since a person's salvation is solely in the hands of Christ, and since Christ is not willing that "any should perish", it is a certainty that Christ will save every person who has ever lived (either in this age or the final age).
2Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise (to save all mankind), as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (from works).
This is the true Gospel that you should be following and teaching.
Joe
Amen, Jesus and the apostles only ever talk about two destinies.....either life (eternal) or death (also eternal).
amigo de christo
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Yes my friend .There are only two destinies, even as there are only two ways. There is no purgatory or third place. For every individual, it is either eternal glory with Christ and the redeemed, or eternal darkness and despair with those listed in Revelation 21:8—“the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars.”
This is where your message comes from--
The Four Destinies of Mankind (part 2)
“He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.…theomegacourseblog.wordpress.com
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1. THERE ARE ONLY TWO ULTIMATE DESTINATIONS.
You may have heard people say, "There are many different paths to heaven." But you'll notice that, in this passage, Jesus dispels that idea. There really aren't many paths to heaven - or "life". There's only one "gate" to life - not many "gates"; and there's only one "way" to life - not many "ways".
But I believe we can take it from Jesus' words that there is more than one ultimate destination. In fact, there are two - and only two. The first one that Jesus mentions is the destination of "destruction".
The Greek word translated "destruction" (apõleia) is one that can mean "waste". When a woman poured an alabaster flask of very expensive perfume on Jesus, His disciples were upset at her for doing so; and they used this word, saying, "Why this waste?" It gives us a picture of pointless loss. But it is also used to describe "ruin" or "destruction" or "annihilation" in an ultimate sense - "perdition" as it is sometimes translated. Paul, for example, used this word to warn about the dangers that come from a sinful love of money; "But those who desire to be rich fall into temptations and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition" (1 Timothy 6:9). The apostle Paul wrote of those upon whom God will show His wrath - "vessels of wrath", he called them, "prepared for destruction" (Rom. 9:22).
Jesus speaks here of an ultimate destiny - "destruction" in a complete sense; a state of complete spiritual loss and eternal ruin. It's a destiny that Jesus once described in horrifying terms as being "cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched - where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:45-46; see also Isa. 66:24). No one spoke more in the Bible about the horrors of hell than Jesus; and here, He lets us know that there is a "gate" one may choose to pass through, and a "way" one may choose to follow, that will ultimately lead to that end.
But He also tells us that there is a second destination - the destination of "life". I believe that we should take Him to be referring to "eternal life" - that is, entry into our eternal home in heaven for eternal fellowship with Him in glory.
Throughout His sermon, He gives hints of the ultimate destiny of heaven: saying, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (5:3); or warning that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, "you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven" (5:20). He speaks of taking care how we do things, "Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven" (6:1); and tells us to "lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven" (6:20).
The ultimate destiny of "life", then, is referring to an eternal home in heaven in our Father's house. And Jesus is telling us that there is a "gate" and a "way" that leads to "destruction"; and another "gate" and "way" that leads to "life".
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These are the only two destinies. There are no others. In another place, Jesus told us this as plainly as a thing could be said! Listen to His words. Do not resist them; because one of the things they do is confirm to us that there really are only two destinies. He said;
"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me'" (Matthew 25:21-45).
Then, hear carefully what Jesus says:
"And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (v. 46).
There are only two destinies: destruction or life. There are no others than these two. That's why there are only two "gates", and two "ways".
There is a way which seemth right unto a man but the end is death .
THEN there is the WAY OF GOD , JESUS IS THE WAY , THE TRUTH and the LIFE and he who believes in HIM has etenal life .
There are two destinies . two roads . One is very broad it and includes every religoin and non religoin
The other , IS THE ONLY NARROW road , ITS IN JESUS the CHRIST .
Yep . So the call is being made to all
CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom ye shall BELIEVE , will it be men or GOD . will it be anti christ or CHRIST .
will it be the true gospel of CHRIST or the mutli gospels of men that lead only to the second death .
I repeat there is a way WHICH SEEMS so right unto a man and yet its end be DEATH .
THERE is the WAY THE TRUTH and THE LIFE , JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD , and that be THE ONLY WAY THAT IS RIGHT and OF GOD .
Bruce-Leiter
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All of these passages SEEM to say that everyone will be savedl but taken in their contexts and coupled with other verses, they say something different, that humanity will be restored. But that humanity will be redeemed people who have trusted only in Jesus to get them into the Father's favor. That last understanding comes from many other passages, which more clearly say what I'm saying. Humanity is defined more narrowly as only believers in your passages' contexts.
There is a spiritual place that shows that God is the just Judge where stubborn rebels will have to spend eternity, a place which merely reflects their desire they showed during their self-centered lives, that is, to live it without God. They brought it on themselves, sadly.
Dear Bruce-Leiter,
The verses I quoted absolutely say that Christ will save all mankind.
Consider these verses again:
Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.
1Cor 15:22 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
These verses are not saying that only some people will be saved. They are saying that all who have died because of Adam's sin (that's all mankind) is the same "all" who will be saved by Christ. There is no wiggle room to say that salvation is only given to some of mankind as you are saying.
And, yes, it is true that only people who have faith in Christ will be saved. And because faith is required for salvation, Christ will freely give all mankind the Holy Spirit so that they will have faith.
In this age, Christ is only saving the Elect who have been chosen for an early salvation. For this reason, they are called the "first fruits" of the harvest. In the final age, Christ will freely give the Spirit to the balance of mankind so that the harvest at year's end is full and complete.
Exo 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.
Unless Christ gives a person the Spirit, they cannot have faith in Him. No person has the natural ability to make a supposed "free will" choice to accept Christ. For this reason, Christ must come to each person who has ever lived and give them the Spirit. And Christ will do so without the person's asking or permission. Christ gives mankind the gift solely because of His grace.
These verses apply:
Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.
When a person makes a confession of faith, it is the evidence that Christ has given the person the Early Rain of the Spirit. Without this gift, the person would never make a confession of faith.
Consider Peter's confession:
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
When scripture says that a person is "blessed", it is because they have freely received something from God. In Peter's case, Peter received the Early Rain of the Spirit. For that reason, Christ says that Peter's confession was given to Him by the Father which is in heaven.
The same confession of faith came from Paul on the Damascus Road. Paul hated Christ but all that changed for Paul after Christ came to him and gave Paul the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Spirit, the only thing Paul could do was to accept Christ as his Lord. Without the Spirit being freely given to Paul, Paul would have continued in his hatred for Christ.
In the final age when the balance of mankind is being judged in the Lake of Fire (a symbol for Christ's judgment), Christ will not omit "justice, mercy and faith" when He judges each person.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The penalty of sin is death (not eternal torment in literal fire). But before each "lost" person perishes from Christ's judgment, He will have MERCY upon them and freely give them the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. With the Spirit, the person will have FAITH and will be "born again" as a child of God. The child of the Devil (who they used to be) will remain in the Lake of Fire to perish. This death satisfies JUSTICE. This entire spiritual process is called conversion.
FYI, Joel 2:1-27 describes Christ's judgment upon the Nation of Israel in the Lake of Fire. They are saved after the "fullness of the Gentiles have come in" (Rom 11:25). Christ's army is the Elect. Before anyone perishes from this judgment, Christ will have mercy upon them (v.18) and freely give them the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit (v.23).
In the end, all mankind will be saved because Christ will give all mankind the Spirit and faith. The salvation of all mankind happens because it is God's "will" for it to happen. Mankind's "will" plays no part in what God does with His creation.
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
These verses apply, too:
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Here is what God has said:
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Paul paraphrased it below:
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Since God wants to save all mankind, all mankind will be saved. Nothing can stop God from accomplishing what He has said He will do - certainly not Satan or his children (mankind).
Your belief in mankind's supposed "free will" ability is a lie from Satan and is not taught in scripture. God's "will" rules supreme and always has.
Joe
And there are only two colours (to the colour blind)...black and white. This is the testimony of all fundamentalists.
The Jews are also blind to Christ. Is that because Jesus is not found in the Scriptures? Or is it a bent based on an inability to understand prophetic things?
The blind only see what they have been indoctrinated to see. Show them the four destinies clearly spelled out...and they will only see two. Ask any NON-indoctrinated person what they read and they will see 4. How many kinds of soil in the parable of the Sower? Indoctrinated people will say that the four kinds of soil represent 2 kinds of people. :)
Ah, the blind...
Dear Lizbeth,
There are two destinies but don't confuse how they apply.
Destiny #1:
After a person sins, they become a child of the devil who is under the penalty of death. This applies to 100% of mankind. For that reason, John 3:18 says that all mankind is "condemned already". Death is the destiny of mankind. Christ's death on the cross does not change this fact.
Destiny #2:
After Christ converts a child of the devil into a child of God, they will be free from the penalty of death and will be a "new creation". This is also called being "born again". The new child of God is without sin and will have eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.
When you read scripture, it will talk about both destinies so don't confuse them. All the death and destruction scriptures only apply to mankind (children of the devil, those who do not believe). The death of the child of the devil is necessary for the new vessel to be created.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
The spiritual process that Christ uses to destroy the child of the Devil and give birth to the new child of God is called conversion.
The verse below is talking about the death of the child of the devil that occurs during the conversion process:
Isa 66:16 For by fire (judgment) and by his sword (God's Word) will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many (all mankind).
Death is necessary for entrance into life in the Kingdom of Heaven.
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Joe
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DESTINY is a pagan term and there are only two paths or man. Eternal life and eternal damnation
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