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  1. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    I AM AN AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER – AND I SEE OUR GOVERNMENT USING COVID-19 TO TAKE AWAY OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS

    The answer to 1984 is still 1776.

    MARCH 23, 2020

    Do we really think “it can’t happen here” in America? Could we quarantine the constitution? Are we doing it already?

    Panics from pandemics unleash unchecked governmental power. The very premise of popular films like V for Vendetta reveal this: a group uses a virus to seize power and create a totalitarian society. Anyone could witness this from far-off lands, watching the news about China locking people up in their own homes and then removing them screaming from those homes whenever the state wanted. World War I and the Great Depression birthed virulent forms of governments with leaders like Hitler, Mao, Mussolini and Stalin.


    The real pandemic threat is here. It’s the panic that will quarantine our Constitution.

    FIRST AMENDMENT QUARANTINED?
    Already, governments in America suspended the First Amendment freedom of millions of citizens with shutdown, stay-at-home, curfew orders that prohibit obtaining a petition for a public protest, or even being physically present for a public protest. Indeed, even meetings in “more than ten” are prohibited by various governing jurisdictions within the United States. Surprising places like Missouri did so. Towns like Hartford did so. Maryland soon followed suit. The effect of the stay-at-home orders of New York, California, Nevada, Illinois and Pennsylvania effectively achieve the same outcome. Other governing officials recognized the dubious lawlessness of these orders, but remain outliers.
    Remember the Hong Kong protests? Gone. Remember the Yellow Vest protests? Soon to be gone. Seen any protests on American streets today? A pandemic is here. Protests gone. Constitution quarantined.

    SECOND AMENDMENT QUARANTINED?
    But that is not all. Under the guise of “unnecessary businesses,” “emergency powers,” or simply by furloughing or reducing staff in the background checks department, governments show the willingness to limit Second Amendment rights as well as First Amendment protections. Mayors declare the right to ban gun sales, governments declare no background-check personnel to process a background check, delaying gun sales indefinitely, and other governments simply shut down all gun sales businesses entirely. Most worrisome, this happens while governments release inmates into the streets, and discuss releasing even more, and, at the same time, issue no-arrest and no-detention orders from Philadelphia to Fort Worth for a wide range of criminals. Want to defend yourself, give yourself a deep sense of personal protection that comes with gun ownership for many, as the Second Amendment safeguards? Well, no luck, according to too many of our governing overlords. A pandemic is here. Self-protection sacrificed. Constitution quarantined.

    FOURTH AMENDMENT QUARANTINED?
    Few protections are more American than the right to privacy against coerced, compelled, secretive, subversive invasion. The government operates like a virus in a case of a pandemic panic, infecting our minds and bodies, monitoring speech, association and movement, with tools of surveillance unthought-of to the founders. Coordinating with private companies (unrestrained by the Fourth Amendment; why do you think NSA uses them to gather all your emails, conversations, texts, and internet searches, at the first stage?), governments used the panic about the pandemic, a panic the government itself stoked with aid of a compliant, complicit press, to waive your medical privacy and invade your personal privacy, looking for tools to monitor your every movement, associations, activities, and behavior. The watching eye in the sky can now be the Alexa in your home, the camera on your computer, and the phone in your hand. A pandemic is here. Privacy ended. Constitution quarantined.

    FIFTH AMENDMENT QUARANTINED?
    The protection for our right to make a living arises from the Fifth Amendment right to property without deprivation by due process of law, and the obligation for the government to compensate any such takings. Yet, governments across America did just that to millions of businesses, workers, and property owners, stripping them of their ability to make a living, or even to engage in a free market of commerce, by shutdown orders, curfews, and stay-at-home orders. The political and professional class ensconced in its work-from-home environs fails to appreciate the hardship this imposes on working people. No compensation. No substitution. No wages. No revenues. No opportunity. Labor lost that can never be recovered, ever, while it leaves our economy teetering on the edge of a worst-ever depression. The foundation of government is to protect the pursuit of happiness. Now all we get to pursue is Netflix-and-chill and hope miracles happen to pay next week’s bills, and pray the market doesn’t crash like in 1929. A pandemic is here. Opportunity & property gone. Constitution quarantined.

    CONCLUSION
    Our founders were intimately familiar with pandemics, viruses and plagues, yet they did not allow any to suspend our Constitutional liberties. Not one word in the Constitution about plagues or pandemics to exempt the government from any of our Bill of Rights. Why do our current courts allow it? Because the public is asleep at the wheel. Think the pandemic threatens to kills us all? A review of the data shows the pandemic is more panic than plague.

    Time to wake up. Maybe it is time in the motto of V for Vendetta, to “Remember, remember the fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and plot.” As that film’s lead character well said: “People shouldn’t be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.” Only when an awake public asserts their human liberties to protest the loss of their liberties will, then, governments quit using public health crises to seize power that does not belong to them. The answer to 1984 is still 1776.


    Robert Barnes issued a message to President Trump on what he needs to do to end the destruction of our economy.


    I Am an American Constitutional Lawyer – And I See Our Government Using Covid-19 to Take Away Our Fundamental Rights
     
  2. Paul Christensen

    Paul Christensen Well-Known Member

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    We have to realise that this is just opinion from one person.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    And very sound opinion which everyone should give heed to. It is a warning to all Americans (and indirectly to the free world).
     
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    Paul Christensen Well-Known Member

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    Possibly. In NZ we might not have the same issues. However as a 72 year old, when we all go into lockdown on Wednesday night I will feel a lot safer. No cases of coronavirus have been discovered in Christchurch yet, and I hope it stays that way. Most of the cases are in our North Island, so if the body of water between the two islands is a barrier, well and good!
     
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    And a very paranoid, and misguided one at that!
    Are we talking conspiracy theories here, ....really?
     
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    COVID-19 poses a genuine threat to the entire world, health, economy and infrastructure wise. The reason it has become so wide spread, is because monkeys like Robert Barnes do not take God's providence seriously. People are out still gathering in pubs and other social venues, disregarding the risk that they pose to themselves, and their nation.
    You are surprised that there are pandemics in the world, the way that man has stewarded the planet? It's actually surprising that there's been so few. All you can conclude is that this was the government's strategy to gain an oligarchy? Is this the time to start telling jokes?

    Such tragedy around the world, and all you can provide is the accusation that America is trying to take over its people, or the world?
    You give too much credit to the baboons in office!
     
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    Really?

    Currently, 1 out of every 7 people that get this virus end up dead...

    Coronavirus Update (Live): 381,755 Cases and 16,558 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

    So a 14% kill rate is 'more panic than plague'? I don't think so.

    Let us not forget the fact that other "reviews of the data" shows this Pandemic to be a known Engineered Virus with an HIV insert. In other words, a Bio-Weapon.

    I get the fact that our Rights are being threatened, but let us not forget...

    Ephesians 6:12
    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places"


    We are up against Pure Evil here. If this really was intentional, whoever released this thing had a long time to plan this all out.

    It's a little too late to cry about it now.

     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Where did you get this FALSE INFORMATION? FAKE NEWS?

    If 6 of 7 COVID-19 Cases Are Not Being Reported as One Study Suggests — The Current Mortality Rate Sinks to Flu-Like Levels

    The US coronavirus mortality rate dipped to 1.25% on Sunday using deaths (396) divided by confirmed cases (38,167). The mortality rate for the coronavirus in the US continues to fall as more and more Americans are being tested.

    12 days ago the US coronavirus mortality rate was 4.06
    Today the mortality rate is down to 1.25%!


    4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)
    3.69% March 9 (26 of 704)
    3.01% March 10 (30 of 994)
    2.95% March 11 (38 of 1,295)
    2.52% March 12 (42 of 1,695)
    2.27% March 13 (49 of 2,247)
    1.93% March 14 (57 of 2,954)
    1.84% March 15 (68 of 3,680)
    1.6% March 17 (116 of 7,301)
    1.4% March 19 (161 of 11,329)
    1.25% March 20 (237 of 18,845)
    01.25% March 22 (396 of 38,167)

    Yossi Getetner posted a list earlier in the week.
    But this number may actually be much lower.

    Hospitals and urgent care clinics are turning potential COVID-19 victims away on a daily basis. We all now know someone who was told not to come in to be tested because officials were only concentrating on the seriously ill.

    That means the current mortality rate is SIGNIFICANTLY lower if you factor in ALL OF THE CASES that are not being reported, and where people are not feeling sick enough to be tested.

    That number could be 6-7 times higher than the current number of 38,167 as a recent study suggests.

    That puts the coronavirus mortality rate in the US at 0.1% to 0.2%. This is similar number to a flu virus.


    Thanks to the fraudulent numbers by the WHO at the beginning of March the global economies are in a complete meltdown over the coronavirus panic....


    If 6 of 7 COVID-19 Cases Are Not Being Reported as One Study Suggests -- The Current Mortality Rate Sinks to Flu-Like Levels



     
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    Base12 Well-Known Member

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    Did you not click the link I gave?

    Here...

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    You are making the same mistake as everyone else by using Confirmed Cases instead of Closed Cases.

    The only reliable and accurate measurement we can count on right now is the Case Fatality Rate (CFR)...

    "Case fatality rate, also called case fatality ratio, in epidemiology, the proportion of people who die from a specified disease among all individuals diagnosed with the disease over a certain period of time."

    Case fatality rate | epidemiology

    Until this Pandemic is all done and over with, Confirmed Cases mean nothing to the bottom line. Everything else is pure speculation.
     
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    Enoch111, you sound crazy!
    You and your conspiracy theories are just verging on madness!
    I don't mind people being suspicious of others, there's a prudence and wisdom to that, but you're just frivolous and a sensationalist.
    I wish people would lock themselves in right now, but the stupid irresponsible citizens have caused several cases of communal transmission today, in Canada alone. But you'd like to tell them to do as they wish, don't let the government infringe on their rights.
    I hope that they put you under house arrest!
     
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    TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION.

    So you don't believe China has been preparing for bio-warfare or has been engaged in cyber-warfare for ages. There are a lot of people like you. But if you prefer Fake News, as they say "It's a free country".

    The fact it that the Wuhan laboratory was specifically involved with research into extremely virulent microbes. But someone let the genie out of the bottle accidentally, or "accidentally on purpose".

    Let's not forget that Trump was trying to fix the problem of a huge trade deficit with China. So this could have been a retaliatory measure, because most medical supplies and equipment have been coming to the West from China.

    Beijing Sends 150,000 Wuhan Virus Testing Kits to Prague, 80% Fail
    The Czech newspaper Irozhlas (I-Radio) reports that the bigshots in Beijing sent 150,000 coronavirus rapid testing kits to Czechia which return false results up to 80% of the time.

    Forgive the rough Google Translate results, but I don't speak Czech:

    "We checked them on Saturday at the University Hospital Ostrava, but unfortunately the error rate was quite high, so now we are waiting for the results of further testing across the country, they have never been tested positively because it works with antibodies," said Svrčinová.

    Communist Quality Control: Beijing Sends 150,000 Wuhan Virus Testing Kits to Prague, 80% Fail
     
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    At age 72 that is all well and good. But if the militia takes up arms to defend everything you have lived your younger life by, you should be behind them reloading their weapons.
     
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    That, I would do!
     
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    My apologies Enoch111, look at that, you caught the coronavirus culprits. What need to investigate any further, such an exhaustive exposé .
    What a shame that we've all been duped by the FAKE NEWS. BTW, so glad that clever Trump came up with the term, very useful.
    Good work Sherlock, what's your next case, proving Elvis is still alive?

    Either way, the point was that you were denouncing the US government for their austerity measures, claiming it to be a conspiracy to create an oligarchy.
    Smell the coffee Enoch111, and stay away from the fake news, eh!
     
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    We don't really know whether it is true or not. Even if it is, and the virus was released accidentally from a Chinese laboratory, will we be hearing China admit to it? Not likely.
     
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    Fine Paul, stranger, and more insidious things, have happened. I won't be 100% surprised if this was a set-up, but 97.5%.
    But again, the original protest was about the government's issue of banning social gatherings.
    What's Enoch111's beef, the US govt issue, or Wuhan's?
    One minute he's accusing the US of attempting to exploit the situation, or maybe are complicit in the spread of the virus.
    And the next, China's deliberate attempt to create a bio-warfare situation.

    He sounds idle and frivolous. And I don't mean to bash, but this symptom is also reflected in his KJVO sentiments.
    There's a pattern here that he needs to reflect upon, for he maybe dabbling in an area that is just not sound or prudent.
     
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    We don't really know what the truth is about it. All we know now is to do what we keep to keep ourselves safe. As a 72 year old and in the vulnerable section, my best way to keep myself safe is to stay home and have no visitors. Our whole country is going into lock down for the next four weeks in the hope that it will slow the spread of the virus down.
     
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    The answer to avoid political misrule is to have a predominantly Christian population.
    It is Christianity that provides a philosophical bases for equality under the law, the value of the individual and morality.
    Without Christianity anything is possible and even with it, things can still go wrong.
     
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    In that case you sound stupid. Read my posts again. There is nothing idle or frivolous about what I have posted.
     
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    Agreed, me & my family are doing the same, ...please impress that upon Enoch111!
     
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