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The Anti Christ a Jew?

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    Satan is Antichrist it tells you that in Rev. and in the old testamentThis is Satans fate before he is let loose for a short time this is the result of the tribulation in the old testament (a second wittness) nothing new under the sun Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, [and] the sceptre of the rulers. Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, [and] none hindereth. Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, [and] is quiet: they break forth into singing. Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, [and] the cedars of Lebanon, [saying], Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet [thee] at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, [even] all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [and] the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. Isa 14:12 ¶ How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
    Satan is Satan, Antichrist is Antichrist. The Antichrist system is Satan's system and the leader of his system is influenced (or possessed for lack of other words) by Satan. Remember the words the spirit of antichrist is already in the world? 1 John, when talking about the antichrist continually changes from singular to plural, why? Scripture speaks of him as being a person, and describes him to a "t". I believe I know who he is, along with his system. It seems quite obvious. This teaching in scripture is not mans words but, God's word.
     
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    because these are types not "THE ANTICHRIST" there is only one who has always wanted to be God to set his throne above the clouds only one from the beginning that was filled with pride and wanted to be God and that is Satan himself it is the lesson thoughout sctripture from Gen to Rev Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
     
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    because these are types not "THE ANTICHRIST" there is only one who has always wanted to be God to set his throne above the clouds only one from the beginning that was filled with pride and wanted to be God and that is Satan himself it is the lesson thoughout sctripture from Gen to Rev Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
    I agree Satan always wanted to be god.
     
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    The Antichrist consists of two words, anti, which depending on the content can mean either against or for. So the word Antichrist would be more defined, to someone who is against Christ, but creates the impression as if he were for Christ. Sometimes it is used pertaining to every heretic, who opposes the person and doctrines of Christ, 1 John 2:18. But it generally pertains to the great Antichrist who opposes the doctrines and professors of Christ. This Antichrist is confirmed by scripture through many texts and this fact is not denied by anyone.Considering this, the Antichrist could not come out of the Muslim's, they deny Christs deity. They say he was a prophet or a good teacher.
     
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    Who is the Antichrist? Lets look and see. His seat will be in Rome, which is built upon seven hills. Revelation 17:1 This refers to the Antichrist. Revelation 17:9, his seat is identified, the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There were seven hills within the confines of Rome's walls. Virgil who lived during this time, he died around 15 years before Christ, wrote: Rome has become the most glorious city of all, who alone has surrounded seven strongholds with a wall. Ovidius writes: Rome, the territory of the gods, which overlooks the entire earth from seven hills. and : I shall nevertheless be read as long as warring and victorious Rome overlooks a conquered world from her seven hills.---Who has his chair in this Rome built upon seven hills. His territory extends to the kingdoms of the earth and there he rules over many nations Revelation 17:15.---Revelation 17:10-11 the Antichrist would succeed the emperor in this territory. Seven heads refer to the sevenfold manner of government in Rome. five forms had already run their course during John's time, the sixth, consisting of the rule of the emperors, was in place at that time, after which the seventh would follow. Who has succeeded the emperors in governing Rome? He whose name would constitute the number 666 would ascend the throne upon the destruction of the empire. Ten kings would simultaneously receive power to govern with him. The ten horns are the ten kings. All this transpired between 500 and 600 A.D.------ He whose name would be expressed by 666 would be worshiped, and receive special (or superhuman) honor revelation 17:4. These clearly refer to Rome after the emperors, and not while they reigned. It is also a known fact that "the ****"? reigned from there after the emperors.--- How about the Antichrists behavior? First he will place himself in the temple of God, 2 Thessalonians 2:4. The church is God's house 1 Timothy 3:15, and God's temple 2 Corinthians 6:16. so, he will sit in the church as if he were God, viewing (or declaring) himself as the head and officer of the church. He will not attack the church externally, but instead proceed from withing her and occupy the leadership position in the church. Who resembles this? who is recognized as the head of the church? Who has been given the title "Our Lord God the ****"? Rome places her declarations and traditions next to, and in opposition to, the word of God. Rome forbids the reading of the bible, commands that a piece of bread be worshiped as God, claims authority for herself alone to forgive sins, denies that the merits of Christ alone, are sufficient for mans sins, it teaches on must earn heaven, ect.....The **** gets carried around as if he was God, everyone bows a knee to him, and kisses his feet. He lives a life of great luxury Revelation 17:4. what about 1 Timothy 4:1-3? who forbids the clergy to marry? who forbids the eating of meat on good Friday? there is so much more on this. ----Some will probably say i have taken scripture out of context, or twisted it to fit my argument, but, isn't it an identical reflection of someone?
     
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    because these are types not "THE ANTICHRIST" there is only one who has always wanted to be God to set his throne above the clouds only one from the beginning that was filled with pride and wanted to be God and that is Satan himself it is the lesson thoughout sctripture from Gen to Rev Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
    This is why false doctrines abound. Why did you quit with vs 14? If you would have read two more versus you would have seen that what you want to refer to as "the satan" is merely a man!!!Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; In fact, if you read vs 4 you will see that this is referring to the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Gary
     
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    The **** Church would teach that this harlot and great city refer to pagan Rome and the emperors. Even to pagan Rome at the time of the emperor, which became drunk with the blood of the saints. But chapter 17 in Revelation indicates clearly that this refers to Rome after the emperors. Revelation 13:1 1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. Revelation 17:10-11, and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven. seven heads does not merely pertain to seven hills, comprehended within the walls of Rome, but also pertains to seven kings, that is sovereign governments, rather that specific individuals. Five forms of government have already run their course: kings, mayors, councils, governors and dictators. The sixth form of government was already in place when John wrote, for it is irrefutable that the emperors reigned at that time. during their reign this would not transpire, but under the seventh head of Rome. As far as worldly rule is concerned, the beast would come after the emperors, therefore the beast is the seventh head, and be simultaneously also the eighth king as far as supreme world rulership which he claims for himself relative to the souls of men. This is proves that the reference here is not to pagan Rome, but to Rome under the dominion of the ****. Also this seventh head will not step aside as quickly as the other heads, the previous forms were for each time only a short duration. But this form of government will stay for some time....42 months or 1260 days. since this refers to years this can only be applicable to the ****, Revelation 17:12-13 The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast. This didn't occur during the times of the emperors but occurred when the empire was destroyed by the Goths, the Lombards and other pagan nations, which divided the empire into ten kingdoms. The beast rose and gained possession of Rome, The only one to accomplish this was the ****. Even when these other nations ruled Italy they did not have their seat of government in Rome, but they did in fact yeild their power to the **** who had his seat in the government of Rome (the city of seven hills), they desired to be confirmed and sanctioned by him. The executed his will in doing battle against Christ and His church.----This is the Antichrist, who after the emperors had their seat in government and territory in Rome and therefore in the world. After the destruction of the empire the ten kings gained power, and yielded it to none other than the ****. This further strengthens the point that the reference is not to pagan Rome, but to Rome under the dominion of the ****. Who i might add will perform all that is in Revelation 13 and 17. Look at this, Revelation 13:7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. and revelation 13:15-17 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Compare the ***** activities to this, you will see a fulfillment of prophecy very clear. Who has opposed the true church? Who has murdered true professors of the truth for their witness? How many hundreds of thousands have already lost their lives by order and direction of the ****? Who has become drunk with the blood of the saints? All who did not confess to be Roman Catholic, who did not acknowledge the **** as the head of the church, who do not go to mass, who did not carry a chaplet or cross, ect. ect... Must be expelled and are not able to practice their business, profession, or trade. They were all subject to opposition, tortures, violence, monasteries, prisons, galleys, the gallows, theft of property, and deprivation of children. This should bear witness to the entire world, who the **** is!
     
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    This is why false doctrines abound. Why did you quit with vs 14? If you would have read two more versus you would have seen that what you want to refer to as "the satan" is merely a man!!!Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; In fact, if you read vs 4 you will see that this is referring to the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Gary
    exactly thats what Satan is try reading Ez 28 who do you think the prince of tyre is this is not only scriptural its exactly what the whole of scripture states so it is you with lack to understand it not me9 Will you then say, "I am a god," in the presence of those who kill you? You will be but a man, not a god, in the hands of those who slay you. 10 You will die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.' " 11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: " 'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. [c] Your settings and mountings [d] were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Did you get that a man second wittness that Satan is a manor will appear as one
     
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    What Religious organization insists that Christ governs His entire church by means of a vice-regent, that is the ****. And that the **** governs all matters. They claim Peter established his chair in Rome, and he was the general bishop there for twenty five years, and his successors are the *****. There is no proof that Peter was in Rome, not in scripture, or in any true accounts of history. RC's also consider the **** to have the authority to appoint vice-regents, cardinals, archbishops, priests, ect... These ranks have been arranged in a hierarchical order, all being inferior to the ****. This is all extra biblical and contrary to the word of God. No where does it teach in scripture that the supreme authority in the church has been invested in one person. These various offices are mentioned but never as to one being inferior to the other. Therefore this has to be rejected Luke 22:25-26, 1 Peter 5:3.-----Where do we read that Peter was appointed to be head over all the church, and all the other Apostles? And where is it written that Peter gave them commands and ordinances? Where do we read the the Apostles acknowledged Peter as such and have subordinated themselves under him? Nowhere! These are fables. -----Jesus sent all of them (Apostles) forward with the very same commission Matthew 28:19, John 20:21-23. All the Apostles were together and qualified for their office on Pentecost Acts 2:1-4. Look at how the all conducted themselves, in the election of another apostle Acts 1:23. Was Paul sent to Peter? No! he was sent to the Apostles and elders at Jerusalem, to inquire about certain questions Acts 15:2. The Apostles sent Peter to Samaria Acts 8:14. James opinion rather than Peter's was followed Acts 15:7-29. Scripture teaches that Paul was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised Galatians 2:7-9 if anyone had served in Rome it would have been Paul. -----Even if Peter was (which he is not) the head of the church, it would only have pertained to him, where is it written that he had the authority to transfer this position to another person? If he did where, where is it written that he transfered this position to the bishop in Rome? Why not to the bishop in Antioch? After all Peter did visit Antioch, but no where do we see that he visited Rome Galatians 2:11.----Suppose Peter had been in Rome and had been the bishop there, the ones who followed him were not the head of the church, It is known from history that every locality initially had its own bishop. And these bishops were never willing to submit to each other. The church was divided among four bishops, none being superior to the others. They were even envious of each other to accuse each other of being antichrist's. After the western empire was destroyed, the power of the bishop in Rome increased. In 606 the eastern emperor (Phocas) appointed the bishop of Rome as general bishop, ordering the patriarchs of Constantinople, Antioch, and Alexandris to be subordinate to him. Where is the reference here to succession?----Finally, If scripture supports the office of a ****, shouldn't his lifestyle resemble Peter's? where do we read of peter having a purple robe, chariots and horses, a chair and purple robed cardinals to carry him? When did Peter ever allow his feet to be kissed? Which kings did Peter ever appoint or dispose? There is no resemblance to peter at all. The only resemblance I see is in Peter's confession "I know not the man"
     
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    The Antichrist consists of two words, anti, which depending on the content can mean either against or for. So the word Antichrist would be more defined, to someone who is against Christ, but creates the impression as if he were for Christ. Sometimes it is used pertaining to every heretic, who opposes the person and doctrines of Christ, 1 John 2:18. But it generally pertains to the great Antichrist who opposes the doctrines and professors of Christ. This Antichrist is confirmed by scripture through many texts and this fact is not denied by anyone.Considering this, the Antichrist could not come out of the Muslim's, they deny Christs deity. They say he was a prophet or a good teacher.
    The word antichrist is used five times in the Bible. It defines an antichrist beyond question. There is, absolutely, no room for error on the part of the reader. That is, if you read them.1 John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.2 John 1:7 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.Now, does any one reading this have a problem as to what is the definition of an antichrist? Is satan mentioned any where in these Biblical definitions? Is there any scriptures in the Bible that say the antichrist is satan?Gary
     
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    Check this out, this is quite an interesting fact. Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp who himself was a disciple of John. Irenaeus arrived at the fact that the number 666 was in Latin (Lateinos) "Latin Speaking man". i cant spell the Greek word. Irenaeus concluded that the Antichrist would come from Italy and from the Latin church. A portion of Italy had a king prior to the birth of Christ, his name was Latinus. The portion of Italy that surrounds Rome is called Latinum, after this Latinus and the language spoken there was called Latin. Latinus is written in Greek as Lateinos, and these letters represent the number 666, which is a fact. It points to Rome and her Latin church and her ****. The **** still uses the Latin language in directives and decrees. Through the entire world the Mass is still performed in Latin language, which is taught to be viewed as an extraordinary providence of God, this alone is pretty good proof. The ****church and the **** to not see or accept this shouldn't be any supprise, if they did it would put an end to ****, but this will continue until the end. The **** church also will say that "Latinus" must be written without and "e" therefore it will not be equivalent to the number 666. But keep in mind John did not write in Latin, but in Greek. Latinus in Latin, is Lateinos in Greek. Irenaeus being a Greek would know how to write this in Greek. So Antichrist must have his seat and territory in Rome. This dose not even touch the scripture proofs.----Just thought I would share this, it is interesting.
     
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    The word antichrist is used five times in the Bible. It defines an antichrist beyond question. There is, absolutely, no room for error on the part of the reader. That is, if you read them.1 John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.2 John 1:7 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.Now, does any one reading this have a problem as to what is the definition of an antichrist? Is satan mentioned any where in these Biblical definitions? Is there any scriptures in the Bible that say the antichrist is satan?Gary
    Excuse me ? did you ever read Revelation? do you know who the son of perdition is in 2 Thess? do you know who the father of lies is? Do you know who the accuser is just to name a few of his namesRev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.Do you get anti means instead of that is instead of christ (antichrist)
     
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    Everything you have posted is the charachter of Satan you can turn scripture however you want but those are the facts just as it says he will come and make the nations of the World quake. you have at least three wittness in Rev., 2 thess, Isa, Eze how many more times does it have to tell you?well lets throw in Luke for good measureLuk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heavenand then in this verse11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. its Satan again if you dont get it by now its not me thats spreading a false doctrineDo you need me to remind you of angels taking the form of men do you remember who Jacob wrestled who visited Lot??
     
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    I have found that a lot of people have believed that the Anti-Christ was all kind of people. But according to what I have studied it seems to me that the Anti-Christ will definately have to be a Jew if he is going to convince the Jewish people that he is the real Christ!What do you think?
    There is nowhere in the Bible that it says Israel will believe the Antichrist to be the Messiah. It tells us in Daniel 9:26-27 that the Antichrist will be a Jew, and this is also represented in the symbols used for the Antichrist in Revelation 13.
     
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    How can the most beautiful, yet fallen archangel be a Jew if he is not flesh?
    Uh, pardon me? [​IMG]
     
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    Anti-christ teachings have been with us since Christ left and Paul and the apostles spoke about them. The man of sin however is a different thing.I have new ideas about that now. And I believe alot of people will be shocked.
    So spill it. (Unless you already have and I just haven't made it far enough through the thread yet. [​IMG]
     
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    My pastor spoke on this in church this morning.Basically, he believes that the anti-christ will come out of the EU. And that the prophecies point to the middle east islamic countries as the opposers of Israel. (He actually has an extremely good argument for this). He said, "but how will the islamic countries who are so against Isreal agree to this treaty? If it was their islamic messiah signing on the dots, they'd have no trouble." He said that to say this: apparently in Muslim teaching, their islamic messiah will 1) appear towards the end of the world, and 2) reign for 7 years.strikingly similar to someone we know under another name in Christianity.I still don't know much about these prophecies, but it sounds pretty intense.
    Please go to [post=41180]Antichrist's Hijacking of Islam[/post]. I have an article there that you'll find very interesting.
     
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    at one time most christian people who were not roman catholic all knew who was the Antichrist. It was preached from baptist pulpits to methodist pulpits to presbyterian pulpits and Lutheran Pulpits and even Greek orthodox pulpits. millions have seen him on Tv., even accepting worship and yes still claiming to be the very vicar of Christ . Still claiming he has authority over who can go to heaven and who cannot.he still their in the largest christian church body in the world.Still claiming any one who has faith alone in Jesus for their salvation will go to hell. the bible says their is a dilusion so most wont recognize him. but we maintain we are justified by faith in Jesus and not by our works.Now let me ask a question who is the most famous leader in the whole christian church with the largest following >Who is the only christian leader that at any time of his own choosing can call even the us president or the un president Who must seek a audiance if they wish to talk to him?Which leader of the chrisatian church is the only one who has their own deligation to the un? Which religious leader has the ear of the worlds press's and police forces any time he visits a place ?which Christian leader says even the moslem by their works can get to heaven. But some one who places their trust only in Jesus God the Son can not?But we maintain a man is justified by faith alone in the work of Jesus him alone and for all. and not by our own works.
    Um, it's not the Pope. You're barking up the wrong tree. The Pope has issues, yes, but being the AC ain't one of 'em.
     
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    What scripture is this based on Jody?? By the way good to see you [​IMG]
    Genesis 3:15 – “I will put enmity between you [the serpent] and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”Most people see this as the first prophecy of Jesus the Messiah and I have to agree. What most people do not realize, however, is that this is also most likely the first prophecy of Satan's "son" as well. I'll explain:In Galatians 3:16 we read this familiar verse – “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say ‘and to seeds,’ meaning many people, but ‘and to your seed,’ meaning one person, who is Christ.”This is referring to a promise made by God to Abraham in Genesis 12:7, 13:15, and 24:7 that the Promised Land would be given to Abraham's “seed” or offspring. This will ultimately be fulfilled in the Millennial Kingdom through Jesus Christ, Abraham's “seed”. The Hebrew word in the three Genesis references is “zera’ ”. In Genesis 3:15, the reference to “your offspring” also uses the same Hebrew word, “zera’ ”, which is referring to Christ as I mentioned above, but the serpent's offspring is also with the same Hebrew word – “zera’ ”. So if the woman's and Abraham's offspring/seed is singular and refers to Christ as explained by Paul, wouldn't the same word in referring to the serpent's offspring also be singular? If this is the case, then we have the offspring of the woman/Abraham, which is Jesus, facing off against the offspring of the serpent/Satan, which would seem to be the child of Satan’s as well.Now before you wave this off in disgust, let me point out Genesis 6:1-2 – “When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.”The Hebrew for “sons of God” is “Bene elohim”. This term occurs four times in the Old Testament and its meaning is always used as angels of God, never of humans. Most scholars believe this event describes a union between fallen angels who cohabitated with human females. This unnatural occurrence of combining two different species resulted in an offspring that is called “giants” in the King James and NKJ version and “Nephilim” in the New American Standard, and the English translation of the Jewish Masoretic text. I would even propose that this explains the origin of the “gods” of Greek, Roman, and German mythology, among other cultures with similar mythology.The most common objection to this line of reasoning is that angels do not reproduce sexually as Jesus pointed out in Matthew 22:30 – “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven”. However if we look at the verse more carefully we see Jesus stating that the angels of God in heaven neither marry nor are given in marriage. He gives a specific location, which gives us only two alternatives. Either because of where they are located it is a functional impossibility, or Jesus is referring to only the angels that obey God do not marry. Either way it leaves open the possibility of this occurring on Earth and with the fallen angels that are disobedient to God.What Matthew 22:30 does specifically say is that angels do not marry. Marriage was given to generate new offspring. Angels do not have the ability to procreate among their own species. They may or may not be sexless, although when they are not in an invisible spirit form they are pictured as male, with male names like Michael & Gabriel. They are also called sons of god, not daughters. When they become visible they will usually appear as young men. God made an innumerable number of angels simultaneously, he does not continue creating them, so they never increase or decrease in number.We find in the scriptures that angels have the ability to appear as men even though they are spirit creatures. They are able to perform numerous human functions such as eating food as in their encounter with Abraham in Genesis 18. They are able to perform other bodily functions as well, they can walk and talk among us in such a way that we may not be aware of them unless they reveal themselves. Hebrews 13:2 – “Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.”The angels that came to warn Lot were mistaken for men and were sought out for homosexual use by the men of Sodom. Angels are also able to carry out God's plans on Earth by supplying food for man such as in 1 Kings 19:5-7 & Matthew 4:11. They are able to execute God's judgment Revelation 7:1, 14:17, inflict punishment upon man Ezekiel 9:1-8 & Acts 12:23. There seems to be some change of substance that takes place on Earth that they can become physical, contrary to their original nature. So if they are able to possess a body of a man and can eat and carry out other functions then why not sexual abilities?So it would seem that, based on Genesis 3:15, this offspring of Satan's will likely be the last and the greatest of the Nephilim. Sounds pretty impressive to me. What still needs to be answered is “Who is this guy?”, “When will he appear?” and “Where will he come from?” You can find the answer to that question right [post=41180]here[/post].
     
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    Satan, or Satan's son, can disguise himself in human flesh. Some are saying Barach Obama is the anti-Christ. Ya'll think it's possible? He's out of the east, as compared to Israel and he is Muslim. (LOL in a ssshhhhhaky way!)
    Nope, it ain't him. Sorry. Doesn't fit all the qualifications.
     
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