The Assyrian Anti-christ

[veteran]

If our kingdom was of this world, and we are to 'drive out the workers of iniquity' from a political entity, Jesus wouldn't of told Peter to put away his sword, and that those who live by it die by it.

It would take an amazing amount of delusion to think that America is Christian. America looks quite alot more like Rome. Power, money, the rich, taking advantage of the fact that in China and Africa, people will work for pennies so that the whole of America can be rich for cheap.

America, Christian? Yeah, so is Hollywood. :blink:

If you wanted to argue that America is the world's center of debauchery, atleast you'd have good material to argue your point with :lol:

then maybe you ought to think about getting out more, away from the large city populations like Montreal, and meet people in rural America for yourself, before trying to condemn a whole nation of people.

But people like you won't do that, but would rather join with the tirades of the 'haters' of the American people along with radical Islamic extremists, Communist Socialists, etc.

Not only that, but you slight even your 'own' Canadian people who died for your very freedom when you mock Americans, because both the U.S. and Canada have fought side by side in many struggles against foreign peoples that have tried to destroy both our nations.

Something else, places like Hollywood, Las Vegas, etc., do NOT represent the majority of Americans. As a matter of fact, most of the garbage media Hollywood puts out is anti-American, including the major media outlets from New York, Chicago, etc. Those outlets don't even relate to the majority of the people that even live... in those same areas!

Aligning with the propagandists who hate Americans is one thing, but trying to use God's Word to do it will bring you condemnation.

 

[Prentis]

I do not judge Americans or Canadians.

But the notion that these nations be somehow 'Christian' is so far from the truth... Nations can be no more 'Christian' than anything else run by money and power...

 

[BibleScribe]

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It would take an amazing amount of delusion to think that America is Christian. America looks quite alot more like Rome. Power, money, the rich, taking advantage of the fact that in China and Africa, people will work for pennies so that the whole of America can be rich for cheap.

America, Christian? Yeah, so is Hollywood. :blink:

If you wanted to argue that America is the world's center of debauchery, atleast you'd have good material to argue your point with :lol:

I do not judge Americans or Canadians.
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I hate to tell you this, but the United States of America is not geography, roads, and buildings. It's essentially the PEOPLE. So when you judge America, you judge Americans.




That is, unless the geography, roads, and buildings are heavily into sin. And in that case, then certainly you can judge without impugning the citizens. :wacko:

BibleScribe

 

[Prentis]

Is it judging to say Americans are not christians? No, it is discerning. Judgment is to condemn someone.

I do not condemn America, but I won't fool myself into thinking such things as that they are Christian!

To think one is Christian because he claims the name of Christ is that same as saying one MUST be on a bus, because he says he is on a bus, even though he's right there on the sidewalk talking to you! Telling him he's not on the bus is simply being honest!

Nations are never Christian, Christians form a peculiar nation that is mixed in the world. To ever think that our kingdom is here, on this world, is to misunderstand the very nature of this kingdom.

If the kingdom is in power, and not in word, as it says, how then can a nation be christian when it is forced, by being a nation, to work by the powers of the world, instead of God's'?

 

[veteran]

I do not judge Americans or Canadians.

But the notion that these nations be somehow 'Christian' is so far from the truth... Nations can be no more 'Christian' than anything else run by money and power...

You just don't know what you're talking about, and sound like a Socialist airing out propaganda on TV.

The United States of America was founded... as a Christian nation, and so was Canada, and so were the western European nations after Christ came, like England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, Greece, Russia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. That's why those nations have had so much CHRISTIAN HISTORY that never applied anywhere else on earth!

But of course, you're as dumb as rock about that history, because you've obviously been brainwashed by Socialist run schools.

 

[logabe]

The New World Order is soon to become the Old World Order.

Our captivity to Babylon is almost finished. We are entering a
new system that has two tiers to it: First, Medo-Persia (Dan. 5:28),
also called "the kings of the east" (Rev. 16:12), and secondly, the
Stone Kingdom which has Christ as its Head.

The connection between the two is found in Isaiah 45:1, where God
calls Cyrus "My Messiah," and says that He will use this earthly king
to fund the Kingdom. Isaiah 45:13 says of Cyrus,

13 "I have aroused him in righteousness; and I will make all his
ways smooth; He will rebuild My city, and will let My exiles
go free without any payment or reward [bribe], says the Lord
of hosts."

Do not believe the Babylonian newspapers who try to tell you that we
should be afraid of the kings of the east when they overthrow our
Babylonian system. See it as part of the divine plan, and prepare for it.
America is NOT Babylon. America is in captivity to Babylon. Don't let
Babylon play the Patriot Card to induce you to defend your own captors
against the "Messiah" that God is raising up to "let My exiles go free."

Get a proper perspective of where we are in the prophetic history of
the Kingdom. Then you will not be deceived into supporting the wrong
side in this conflict. We have long prayed for the peace of the city that
took us captive, as Jeremiah advised in Jer. 29:7. But we are now
nearing the end of Babylon's rule.

Remember that we are not Babylonian citizens, but captives in Babylon.
The people of Judah in their Babylonian captivity did not really understand
this. Most of them remained in Babylon when they were released from
captivity. Only 42,360 returned, along with another 7,337 servants and
200 singers (Ezra 2:64, 65). That was only a small remnant of the people
who had retained the vision of the Kingdom in their day.

The proportion is probably about the same today. We have become so
entrenched in Babylon that most people identify with her and cannot truly
respond to the call to leave Babylon when the time finally arrives (Jer. 51:45).

Nonetheless, our present fulfillment of the prophecy is much greater than
the biblical pattern in the days of Ezra. Babylon is now a world-wide system,
rather than a single city, and so it is no longer necessary to "go" somewhere
to leave Babylon. It is more of a mindset, a way of understanding, and this
involves competing loyalties.

Our prime loyalty ought to be to Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. Secondly,
we are instructed to submit to the captivity that God has brought upon us
for the sins of our fathers. In other words, God has sub-contracted our labor
and our (limited) loyalty to Mystery Babylon during this captivity.

Logabe

 

[revturmoil]

You just don't know what you're talking about, and sound like a Socialist airing out propaganda on TV.

The United States of America was founded... as a Christian nation, and so was Canada, and so were the western European nations after Christ came, like England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, Greece, Russia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. That's why those nations have had so much CHRISTIAN HISTORY that never applied anywhere else on earth!

But of course, you're as dumb as rock about that history, because you've obviously been brainwashed by Socialist run schools.

Veteran,

You can be a real jerk. The guy is still a teenager and I agree with him! You believe in the systemic evil of capitalism and a have a bitter attitude just like so many others on this forum. Stop putting even a teenager down like that for having an opinion.

 

[tim_from_pa]

I'm not addressing anyone personally, but I've noticed too that on several occasions Prentis has been put down, although I don't detect a hint of malice in return. We may not always fully agree with him, but he is learning and the parents should be proud to have a young man like that so interested in the scriptures. It's a rare treat these days to see young people like that.

I'm a 52-year-old man with two grown sons. While they have been raised to believe in the Lord and I know that they know more scripture than the average young person, still they live life "business as usual" as most young people do. I suspect that one day spirituality will hit them, and I let the Lord do things on His own time. The older one went through a phase interested in end times for awhile (probably got that from me), which I know will stick with him. Nevertheless, I would be honored to also have another son like Prentis.

 

[Jake]

The United States of America was founded... as a Christian nation,

It was deemed a Christian nation because man said it was and we believe man over God.

Physical nations are not Christian. The True Church is Christian and believers are found all over the world.

 

[Prentis]

You just don't know what you're talking about, and sound like a Socialist airing out propaganda on TV.

The United States of America was founded... as a Christian nation, and so was Canada, and so were the western European nations after Christ came, like England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, Greece, Russia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. That's why those nations have had so much CHRISTIAN HISTORY that never applied anywhere else on earth!

But of course, you're as dumb as rock about that history, because you've obviously been brainwashed by Socialist run schools.

God bless you veteran!

If we think that somehow our nations, who went against the very commands of Christ are Christian, we are greatly mistaken. The flock of Christ never was a great flock, as Israel was a weak nation, so the true church is a weak people.

The crusades, for example go exactly against against the teaching of Christ, and the example given in Acts. The discovery of America, north and south, was not very Christian. Aboriginals killed. Wars waged for the sake of greed of power and money.

The world is the world. As always, those who work according to power in this world and money end up serving the enemy's purposes. Christ laid down all power, people even wished to crown him king, but hw would not. He understood that the offer of the devil of power, greatness, would only corrupt the things of God and make it all serve the devil.

He chose powerlessness, weakenss in the things of the world, that God might be strong in him. To follow Christ requires that we follow this example, powerless and rejected in the world, with no place to call home, but great with God, being filled with his Spirit.

It was deemed a Christian nation because man said it was and we believe man over God.

Physical nations are not Christian. The True Church is Christian and believers are found all over the world.

Amen! Christians are scattered over the whole world. We come from another kingdom, and are in this one as ambassadors of the other. One cannot be an ambassador of his earthly kingdom and of Christ's, he will love one, and despise the other for destroying it.

We fool ourselves if we think is world as a whole is not at odds with God's way.

 

[veteran]

Veteran,

You can be a real jerk. The guy is still a teenager and I agree with him! You believe in the systemic evil of capitalism and a have a bitter attitude just like so many others on this forum. Stop putting even a teenager down like that for having an opinion.

Of course you would agree with him, because you've already shown in the politics section that you're a supporter of Socialist idealism also.

But in all honesty, I don't think EITHER OF YOU truly understand what Socialism is about, which its brainwashing is the product today's public education systems have been putting out since the last generation. If that makes me a "jerk" for saying that, so be it. So obviously, I am not aligned with man's secular idealism of a one-world utopia they think to create.

 

[Prentis]

Just to clarify, I don't believe in Socialism. It's just another form of government of men.

The only way is to walk in the love of God, in submission to him. Community according to the Spirit can do this.

No nation is according to the Spirit, all follow money and power, whether socialist, capitalist, or whatever-ist,

 

[veteran]

Sounds like you need to turn off your TV, and get into God's Word and history more. Most of those kind of ideas are more about Socialism than Christian principles from God's Word.

 

[Prentis]

I don't have a TV

Actually, the Bible tells us that all who live Godly will suffer persecution, and that we wage war NOT against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities.

 

[revturmoil]

Veteran,

You have an extreme view of everything including socialism and YOU are the brianwashed one. You are a totally biased, over the edge right wing victim of brainwashing. You have no middle of the road. What you have to realize is that Capitalism has inroads all over the world in socialism and communism. You guys like to complain but it's US that's in debt to China, a Communist country. It's ludicrous for you to complain when the rich and powerful are making billions in profits with Socialist and Communist conntries and that's ok right? Capitalism has it's inroads in socialist, communist, and in all forms of government. Socialism would be a blessing to America. It's uncontrolled Capitalism that has caused the financial crisis the world is in today and it has created a host of war profiteers.

 

[revturmoil]

Sounds like you need to turn off your TV, and get into God's Word and history more. Most of those kind of ideas are more about Socialism than Christian principles from God's Word.

Why doesn't it surprise me that you would suggest something for him to do, with something he doesn't even have!

Socialism is more in accord with scripture than capitalism. Capitalism can be said to be the root to all evil!

 

[BibleScribe]

Is it judging to say Americans are not christians? ...

Prentis,

The foundation for judging individualsI (either individually or collectively) is that if they are in the church, they're fair game. However, if they're not, then you are NOT to judge them:


1 Corinthians 5

[sup]12[/sup] What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? [sup]13[/sup] God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”


So not only have you slandered a great population of people for the sins of a few, you aren't even supposed to judge the sins of the few! But now is the opportunity to cease your own transgression, and live life in the fullness of Christ.


BibleScribe

 

[Prentis]

Brother, I do not condemn America, but I do see that it's ways lead to perdition.

And hey, you said they were Christian, so if that's true, they're fair game! :lol:

But they are not christian, and therefore not fair game. You yourself have now said they are not christian, since you say they are not fair game! Your own claims are contradictory.

But I do not judge them in the sense of condemnation, but discern their ways, this the man of God must do. Otherwise it would of been WRONG for Peter and Paul and the rest of the apostles to go into the world, to those on the outside, and expose their sin!

 

[veteran]

Why doesn't it surprise me that you would suggest something for him to do, with something he doesn't even have!

Socialism is more in accord with scripture than capitalism. Capitalism can be said to be the root to all evil!

If you're older than he is, then you have even less excuse for your ignorance about Socialism being an anti-Christian and anti-God doctrine.

 

[veteran]

Brother, I do not condemn America, but I do see that it's ways lead to perdition.

And hey, you said they were Christian, so if that's true, they're fair game! :lol:

But they are not christian, and therefore not fair game. You yourself have now said they are not christian, since you say they are not fair game! Your own claims are contradictory.

But I do not judge them in the sense of condemnation, but discern their ways, this the man of God must do. Otherwise it would of been WRONG for Peter and Paul and the rest of the apostles to go into the world, to those on the outside, and expose their sin!

You're all mixed up and just not using common sense. Out of one corner of your mouth you claim you don't condemn America, then out of the other corner you claim Americans are not Christians, WHICH IS A CONDEMNATION.

The majority of the American peoples still... are Christian. So I don't know where you got the idea that I ever said they were not. Sounds like you're mind is being subjected to 'another spirit' other than that of Christ. I never raised any such issue of "fair game" either.

But YOU make yourself 'fair game', because of the ideas you're pushing which are anti-Christian ideas aligned with Communist-Socialists.

You have discerned NOTHING! Instead, you've made blanket accusations against Americans as a whole in alignment with Communist-Socialist's views, accusations that you could never prove, things they cannot prove either.

Try reading Christ's Messages to the seven Churches in Asia, and you should be able to notice that He did not condemn them, but warned those guilty of things He hated to repent, or they would be condemned. That did not apply to all... people in those Churches, for not all there were guilty of those sins He pointed to.

Blanket assumptions like you've put out against Americans is a sign of major lack of Bible study and understanding in God's Word. It also points to an almost complete lack of Bible study of prophecy for the last days, of the many trials that would come upon God's people. You obviously are not able to separate the difference between the powers in today's world that God has ordained to bring endtime events for these times, vs. those of His people that believe on His Son and still await His coming. The majority of Americans still await Christ's coming, and I dare say so do the majority of the Canadian peoples too. The difference is that the Christian majority is not recognized or heard in today's media. If one listens to today's media, a false picture is painted like there aren't even any Christians left.