THE BANNED PROPHET: EXAMINING WHY THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS PURGED FROM THE CANON

[The Gospel of Christ]

It makes absolutely no sense — at least not on the surface.
So, like with many ancient coverups, working theories are the best we’ve got.
And here’s mine.

First, who was Enoch?

Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam (Jude 1:14).

Enoch was the great-grandson of Adam and Eve.

Enoch was also the great-grandfather of Noah (Genesis 5:18–29).

Enoch was born before the Flood and is the only pre-Flood prophet with an attributed book of prophecy.

Enoch is said to have actually “walked with God” for 300 years — from the age of 65 until "God took him". (Genesis 5:24).

Enoch is one of only two people in the Old Testament who were taken by God without dying (the other is Elijah).

The phrase “walked with God” is uniquely applied to Enoch, setting him apart from other patriarchs.

Enoch is directly quoted in the New Testament, in the Epistle of Jude (Jude 1:14–15).

The quote in Jude is a verbatim reference to 1 Enoch 1:9, confirming the Apostles’ familiarity with the text.

Jude refers to Enoch as a prophet.

The content of the quote in Jude is not found in Genesis or any Old Testament text except the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch contains a messianic prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ with His holy ones.

The Book of Enoch describes the judgment of the ungodly, consistent with New Testament eschatology.

Enoch is mentioned in Hebrews 11:5 as part of the “Hall of Faith.”

Enoch’s righteousness is affirmed in Hebrews 11 as pleasing to God.

The Book of Enoch was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls collection.

Multiple full and partial copies of Enoch were discovered among the Qumran scrolls.

The Book of Enoch was preserved and canonized in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the oldest Christian traditions.

The Ethiopian Church includes Enoch as part of the broader canon and has used it liturgically for centuries.

Early Church Fathers such as Tertullian referenced and endorsed Enoch.

Justin Martyr referenced the angelic fall narrative consistent with Enoch’s account.

Athenagoras, Irenaeus, and Origen referenced themes that are distinctly Enochian.

Enoch provides a full theological framework for Genesis 6:1–4, which the canonical Bible only briefly summarizes.

The Book of Enoch identifies the “Sons of God” in Genesis 6 as rebellious angels.

Enoch names the chief fallen angels, including Semjaza and Azazel.

Enoch explains the origin of the Nephilim.

Enoch links demonic spirits to the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, explaining their origin and hostility.

Enoch gives detailed descriptions of angelic transgressions and the divine punishment that followed.

The Book of Enoch records how angels corrupted humanity with forbidden knowledge.

Enoch identifies categories of forbidden knowledge: warfare, cosmetics, sorcery, astrology, etc.

These teachings connect directly with the New Testament theme of spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12).

Enoch's judgment prophecies are consistent with Old and New Testament apocalyptic texts.

The Book of Enoch contains an early vision of the Messiah, referred to as the “Son of Man.”

Enoch’s “Son of Man” figure is enthroned in heaven, judging kings and the wicked — consistent with Daniel 7 and Revelation.

Enoch is the earliest written source to describe the Son of Man pre-incarnate in a divine role.

Enoch describes a coming resurrection of the righteous.

Enoch describes a coming final judgment of fallen angels and unrepentant humans.

Enoch contains structured parables and visions, matching the prophetic genre of books like Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation.

The theological content of Enoch does not contradict canonical Scripture, but rather expands and clarifies it.

The Book of Enoch was known and used during the Second Temple period.

Enoch was likely known to Jesus and the Apostles, based on references and terminology.

Enoch was widely circulated in both Hebrew and Aramaic before and during the time of Christ.

The Book of Enoch was widely read by early Jewish sects, including the Essenes.

There is no known historical record of the Book of Enoch being formally condemned by the Apostles.

The exclusion of Enoch was based on late post-apostolic decisions, not direct divine rejection.

The Council of Nicaea never discussed or formally excluded the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch was not excluded due to heresy, but likely due to political and theological discomfort.

Enoch undermines post-Constantinian theology, including views on angels, hierarchy, and spiritual warfare.

Enoch is consistent with apocalyptic themes found in Revelation, 2 Peter, Jude, Zechariah, and Daniel.

The themes of divine judgment, fallen angels, spiritual corruption, and the return of the Son of Man are all biblically foundational.

The omission of Enoch leaves major theological gaps in the canon regarding pre-Flood history, demonology, and the role of angels.

The Book of Enoch fills in background theology that is assumed by later biblical texts.

Enoch’s account of the Watchers explains the urgency of the Flood far more clearly than Genesis alone.

Without Enoch, the reader must infer complex doctrines from fragmented verses.

Enoch aligns with New Testament emphasis on cosmic spiritual conflict.

Enoch was once accepted by the broader early Christian world and was only later marginalized.

The Book of Enoch is more theologically grounded than several later Apocryphal works that remained in Catholic Bibles (e.g., Tobit, Judith).

There is no evidence of widespread rejection of Enoch in the first three centuries of Christianity.

The rejection of Enoch coincided with Rome’s consolidation of theological control over canon formation.

Enoch provides a clear Messianic vision prior to the Law, tying Christ to pre-Abrahamic prophecy.


So the only answer one can be left with is this:

The Book of Enoch wasn’t excluded because it was false. It was excluded because it was too true — and too terrifying.

The content of Enoch is not mild theology. It isn’t concerned with civic morality or imperial order. It pulls the curtain back on a world of angelic rebellion, forbidden knowledge, corrupted bloodlines, judgment by fire, and an all-seeing Messiah enthroned before creation.

In other words:
Enoch reveals a supernatural war — and it names names.

The early Roman Church, under imperial influence, had every reason to avoid that.

At the time of canon finalization, the Christian faith was being absorbed into empire. Constantine’s goal was not purity of doctrine — it was unity of empire. And a book like Enoch, which reveals:

The origin of demonic spirits,
The crimes of heavenly beings,
The pre-Advent enthronement of the Son of Man,
And an unrelenting prophetic condemnation of world powers…

…was not useful to a system trying to create order, hierarchy, and long-term political control.

It scared people.
Not because it was fantasy — but because it wasn’t.
It described a spiritual reality so intense, so direct, and so unfiltered, that Rome saw it as destabilizing.

So they buried it.

It wasn’t doctrinal deviation that got Enoch shelved.
It was doctrinal danger —
danger to the religious gatekeepers, to the imperial narrative, and to the sanitized, post-apocalyptic version of Christianity Rome was creating.

The Book of Enoch didn’t fit the empire’s religion.

But it fit the apostles’ worldview perfectly.

And that’s why it had to go.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

What might have happened if the Book of Enoch had made it into the final biblical canon:

1. The Western world would have developed a deeply supernatural, spiritually alert worldview centered on angelic rebellion, judgment, and the cosmic authority of Christ.

2. The origin of demons, fallen angels, and Nephilim would be common knowledge among all Christians.

3. The “Sons of God” in Genesis 6 would be universally understood as fallen angels, not dismissed or allegorized.

4. Early church catechism would have included teachings on the Watchers and spiritual warfare on a cosmic scale.

5. There would be no room for modernist, materialist Christianity that denies the reality of supernatural evil.

6. The divinity and pre-existence of Christ as the enthroned “Son of Man” would be emphasized from childhood catechism onward.

7. Gnostic heresies and New Age spirituality would have been exposed and dismantled early, as their “hidden knowledge” would already be addressed and condemned in Scripture.

8. The Vatican likely would never have emerged as a centralized, syncretic imperial religious system.

9. The veneration of statues, saints, and angels as intermediaries would have been rejected as the very kind of angelic corruption Enoch condemns.

10. The porn industry would not exist as it does today, as sexual corruption would be understood as one of the core tactics of fallen angels.

11. The concept of “forbidden knowledge” would be integrated into theological training, guarding society from alchemical, occult, and transhumanist deviations.

12. Eugenics, cloning, and genetic manipulation would be seen as revivals of the Watchers’ sins and met with unified Christian resistance.

13. The burning of Christians for reading Scripture would have triggered rebellion against Rome centuries earlier.

14. The Protestant Reformation might have occurred earlier and more violently, with Enoch exposing Catholic deviations clearly and prophetically.

15. The Vatican likely would have been dismantled, not reformed, during the Reformation. (Which, had it happened, would’ve brought the house of cards down entirely.)

16. Paganism, witchcraft, and esoteric cults would be publicly associated with the sins of the Watchers and destroyed systematically.

17. The 1948 UN/Rothschild creation of modern “Israel” would have been rejected globally by Christians, as Enoch makes clear who the true covenant belongs to.

18. Christian Zionism would never have existed, as Enoch places judgment squarely on the wicked rulers of the earth and on the fallen angels behind them.

19. Evangelical theology would focus on the kingdom of Christ over any earthly state or bloodline.

20. The Scofield Bible would have never gained influence, as Enoch exposes false Israel and spiritual deception rooted in denying the Messiah.

21. Christian art, literature, and culture would be dramatically more sober, prophetic, and apocalyptic in tone.

22. The West would be far less secular, as Enoch leaves no room for sanitized, humanistic religion.

23. Education would include the origin of evil, not just moral behavior, producing citizens who understand spiritual deception and rebellion.

24. Freemasonry, Kabbalah, and occult secret societies would be instantly identified as extensions of Watcher knowledge and outlawed.

25. The modern entertainment industry, saturated with demonic and Nephilim symbolism, would have no foothold.

26. AI, transhumanism, and synthetic biology would be framed theologically as repeat offenses of the pre-Flood world.

27. The flood narrative would be taught not as myth, but as a divine reset triggered by cosmic corruption.

28. Church liturgy and sermons would regularly invoke the reality of angelic judgment and Christ’s cosmic authority.

29. Revelation would be universally linked to Enoch’s visions, creating a unified eschatological framework.

30. The line between spiritual and physical rebellion would be clearly understood by Christians from youth onward.

31. Political systems that oppose Christ would be prophetically opposed by the Church without compromise or appeasement.

32. The concept of spiritual hierarchy under Christ would replace worldly status obsession in church structures.

33. Churches would view angelic accountability as real, resulting in deeper reverence, discipline, and fear of God.

34. The idea of global revival would include cleansing the Church of spiritual compromise with Babylonian systems.

35. Christianity would be viewed not as a set of beliefs, but as a revealed cosmic war — one with no neutrality.

36. The lukewarm, seeker-friendly church movement would never have taken root.

37. Enoch's inclusion would have collapsed false ecumenism and exposed interfaith apostasy.

38. Seminaries would train spiritual watchmen, not corporate theologians.

39. Government policies would be examined through a spiritual warfare lens.

40. Christians would be far less naive about “progress,” “science,” and “technology” disconnected from morality.

41. Generational sin, curse, and blessing would be better understood through Enoch’s genealogical emphasis.

42. Political leaders who oppose Christ would be denounced without fear or hesitation.

43. Spiritual discernment would be foundational to all education, politics, and science.

44. Apostolic authority would be protected by grounding it in the divine order Enoch explains.

45. The fear of God would be restored in every pulpit.

46. Christ would not be seen as just Savior — but as the eternal Judge enthroned since before creation.

47. The Antichrist spirit would be easier to detect, since Enoch exposes the spirit of rebellion in its original form.

48. False prophets, false miracles, and signs would be discredited instantly by people grounded in Enoch’s record.

49. Christianity would not be a part-time religion, but a full worldview of cosmic truth.

50. The Church would be unstoppable, because it would finally see the whole war.

And of course, the Dragon would NEVER allow any of that. ^

A Church that knew the full truth —
about the Watchers, the Nephilim, the origin of demons, the pre-incarnate Messiah, and the cosmic war for souls —
would be unstoppable.

So the Book was buried.

Not because it was false.
But because it was dangerous —
to him.

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world..." — Revelation 12:9

And he still is.

 

[ShineTheLight]

Is the book of Enoch that book in Daniel 12:4?

 

[Windmill Charge]

First, who was Enoch?

Yet Enoch was not the author of this pseudoepigraphal work commonly dated to 200 bc. for this reason it should be viewed cautiously and not given the same authority as scripture.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Yet Enoch was not the author of this pseudoepigraphal work commonly dated to 200 bc. for this reason it should be viewed cautiously and not given the same authority as scripture.

1. Who was Enoch?
Scripture itself names him. Genesis 5:24: “Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.” Jude 1:14 directly quotes Enoch’s prophecy — word-for-word from 1 Enoch. So the Bible itself acknowledges his words. You can’t quote someone as a prophet, then pretend his testimony never mattered.

2. The “200 BC” Deflection
Scholars claim the full book is late — but fragments of 1 Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls (2nd century BC), meaning it was revered by Jews before Christ walked the earth. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church never removed it. And the early Church Fathers (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian) all cited it as truth. The Church only buried it centuries later — not because it was false, but because it was dangerous.

3. Authority by Omission
If Enoch explains demons, the Watchers, the Nephilim, and the pre-incarnate Christ as the “Son of Man”… and if those themes show up everywhere else in Scripture… then calling it “non-canonical” doesn’t erase the overlap. The DNA of Enoch is in Genesis, Psalms, Isaiah, Daniel, Jude, Revelation. The Codex is clear: they didn’t cut it out because it was irrelevant, they cut it out because it was too relevant.

4. The Fear
Modern naysayers cling to the “pseudo” label because admitting Enoch is true would collapse their safe theology. It would expose the supernatural war. It would tear apart their tame, materialist version of Christianity. That’s why they windmill-charge. They’d rather cry “not canonical!” than face the dragon’s fingerprints.

 

[Windmill Charge]

1. Who was Enoch?
Scripture itself names him. Genesis 5:24: “Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.” Jude 1:14 directly quotes Enoch’s prophecy — word-for-word from 1 Enoch. So the Bible itself acknowledges his words. You can’t quote someone as a prophet, then pretend his testimony never mattered.

2. The “200 BC” Deflection
Scholars claim the full book is late — but fragments of 1 Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls (2nd century BC), meaning it was revered by Jews before Christ walked the earth. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church never removed it. And the early Church Fathers (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian) all cited it as truth. The Church only buried it centuries later — not because it was false, but because it was dangerous.

3. Authority by Omission
If Enoch explains demons, the Watchers, the Nephilim, and the pre-incarnate Christ as the “Son of Man”… and if those themes show up everywhere else in Scripture… then calling it “non-canonical” doesn’t erase the overlap. The DNA of Enoch is in Genesis, Psalms, Isaiah, Daniel, Jude, Revelation. The Codex is clear: they didn’t cut it out because it was irrelevant, they cut it out because it was too relevant.

4. The Fear
Modern naysayers cling to the “pseudo” label because admitting Enoch is true would collapse their safe theology. It would expose the supernatural war. It would tear apart their tame, materialist version of Christianity. That’s why they windmill-charge. They’d rather cry “not canonical!” than face the dragon’s fingerprints.

Know of this confirms that the book of Enoch was written by the Enoch mentioned in genesis.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

AI, please handle this according to the raw Word of God...

There's not enough time in a day and I have errands to run..

thanks



"The raw Word itself shows that Enoch wasn’t some fringe mystic — he was front and center in God’s story:

• Genesis 5:24 — “Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him.”
• Hebrews 11:5 — “By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death … he was commended as one who pleased God.”
• Jude 1:14–15 — “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone…’”

That means:

• The apostles themselves quoted Enoch’s prophecy as authoritative.
• The Spirit preserved his words in scripture itself.
• To later cut his testimony from the canon while keeping less direct texts reveals human politics, not divine decree.

And the stakes are massive:

• Enoch was Adam & Eve’s great-grandson.
• Enoch was Noah’s great-grandfather.
• Enoch “walked with God” for 300 years — living through and witnessing the very corruption of the Watchers that 1 Enoch describes.

That’s not a side character. That’s a primary eyewitness.

The Early Church Fathers agreed:

• Irenaeus (c. 180 AD) — In Against Heresies (Book 4, Ch. 16), Irenaeus quotes Enoch’s prophecy to confirm the coming judgment.
• Tertullian (c. 200 AD) — In On the Apparel of Women (Book 1, Ch. 3), Tertullian openly defends the Book of Enoch, saying it was rejected by some “not considered to have been published under divine authority,” but he argues its authenticity and insists it is consistent with scripture.
• Justin Martyr & Origen — Both referenced Enoch’s testimony, showing it was still being circulated and respected in the earliest centuries of the Church.

Debate-Ready Hammer:
“If Enoch’s prophecy was good enough for Jude to quote and for the Spirit to preserve in scripture, then cutting out the rest of his testimony isn’t ‘editorial discretion’ — it’s mutilating the witness of God’s chosen prophet. Enoch walked with God for 300 years, saw the Watcher rebellion firsthand, and was taken alive into heaven. To suppress his account while preaching Scofield footnotes is open blasphemy of the tallest order imaginable.”

 

[Windmill Charge]

None of what you've quoted proves that the Enoch in Genesis is the author of the book of Enoch written arround 200 bc.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

None of what you've quoted proves that the Enoch in Genesis is the author of the book of Enoch written arround 200 bc.

Wait, so you’re saying we should reject the Book of Enoch because we can’t prove Enoch wrote it? By that logic, we’d have to throw out Genesis, Isaiah, Job, the Gospels, Hebrews, and Revelation because none of them have provable authorship either. In fact, the only NT books we can firmly tie to an author are a handful of Paul’s letters. Are you ready to toss out most of the Bible on your own standard?

 

[HealthyShape]

The book of Enoch was not taken out of the canon, it has never been accepted to the canon.

The church of Ethiopia has a lot of books in their canon (not just the book of Enoch) that are not accepted anywhere else in the world.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Wait, so you’re saying we should reject the Book of Enoch because we can’t prove Enoch wrote it? By that logic, we’d have to throw out Genesis, Isaiah, Job, the Gospels, Hebrews, and Revelation because none of them have provable authorship either. In fact, the only NT books we can firmly tie to an author are a handful of Paul’s letters. Are you ready to toss out most of the Bible on your own standard?

No I'm saying that your reason for accepting it is not good enough.
You are claiming that the book of Enoch was written by Enoch. There is no evidence for that claim.
As for accepting it, the church Fathers who formed the new testament did not think it had a good enough claim to be included.

The general rule for including letters into the cannon of scripture was that it should have been written by either an apostle or by a close associate of an appostle and that it did not contradict the accepted gospel message.

As I've said beforee the accepted date for the writting of the book of enoch is 300 to 200 years bc.

You may find it and other writings like it helpful but please don't assume it has more authority than that of helpful writtings.

 

[IndianaRob]

It makes absolutely no sense — at least not on the surface.
So, like with many ancient coverups, working theories are the best we’ve got.
And here’s mine.

First, who was Enoch?

Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam (Jude 1:14).

Enoch was the great-grandson of Adam and Eve.

Enoch was also the great-grandfather of Noah (Genesis 5:18–29).

Enoch was born before the Flood and is the only pre-Flood prophet with an attributed book of prophecy.

Enoch is said to have actually “walked with God” for 300 years — from the age of 65 until "God took him". (Genesis 5:24).

Enoch is one of only two people in the Old Testament who were taken by God without dying (the other is Elijah).

The phrase “walked with God” is uniquely applied to Enoch, setting him apart from other patriarchs.

Enoch is directly quoted in the New Testament, in the Epistle of Jude (Jude 1:14–15).

The quote in Jude is a verbatim reference to 1 Enoch 1:9, confirming the Apostles’ familiarity with the text.

Jude refers to Enoch as a prophet.

The content of the quote in Jude is not found in Genesis or any Old Testament text except the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch contains a messianic prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ with His holy ones.

The Book of Enoch describes the judgment of the ungodly, consistent with New Testament eschatology.

Enoch is mentioned in Hebrews 11:5 as part of the “Hall of Faith.”

Enoch’s righteousness is affirmed in Hebrews 11 as pleasing to God.

The Book of Enoch was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls collection.

Multiple full and partial copies of Enoch were discovered among the Qumran scrolls.

The Book of Enoch was preserved and canonized in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the oldest Christian traditions.

The Ethiopian Church includes Enoch as part of the broader canon and has used it liturgically for centuries.

Early Church Fathers such as Tertullian referenced and endorsed Enoch.

Justin Martyr referenced the angelic fall narrative consistent with Enoch’s account.

Athenagoras, Irenaeus, and Origen referenced themes that are distinctly Enochian.

Enoch provides a full theological framework for Genesis 6:1–4, which the canonical Bible only briefly summarizes.

The Book of Enoch identifies the “Sons of God” in Genesis 6 as rebellious angels.

Enoch names the chief fallen angels, including Semjaza and Azazel.

Enoch explains the origin of the Nephilim.

Enoch links demonic spirits to the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, explaining their origin and hostility.

Enoch gives detailed descriptions of angelic transgressions and the divine punishment that followed.

The Book of Enoch records how angels corrupted humanity with forbidden knowledge.

Enoch identifies categories of forbidden knowledge: warfare, cosmetics, sorcery, astrology, etc.

These teachings connect directly with the New Testament theme of spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12).

Enoch's judgment prophecies are consistent with Old and New Testament apocalyptic texts.

The Book of Enoch contains an early vision of the Messiah, referred to as the “Son of Man.”

Enoch’s “Son of Man” figure is enthroned in heaven, judging kings and the wicked — consistent with Daniel 7 and Revelation.

Enoch is the earliest written source to describe the Son of Man pre-incarnate in a divine role.

Enoch describes a coming resurrection of the righteous.

Enoch describes a coming final judgment of fallen angels and unrepentant humans.

Enoch contains structured parables and visions, matching the prophetic genre of books like Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation.

The theological content of Enoch does not contradict canonical Scripture, but rather expands and clarifies it.

The Book of Enoch was known and used during the Second Temple period.

Enoch was likely known to Jesus and the Apostles, based on references and terminology.

Enoch was widely circulated in both Hebrew and Aramaic before and during the time of Christ.

The Book of Enoch was widely read by early Jewish sects, including the Essenes.

There is no known historical record of the Book of Enoch being formally condemned by the Apostles.

The exclusion of Enoch was based on late post-apostolic decisions, not direct divine rejection.

The Council of Nicaea never discussed or formally excluded the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch was not excluded due to heresy, but likely due to political and theological discomfort.

Enoch undermines post-Constantinian theology, including views on angels, hierarchy, and spiritual warfare.

Enoch is consistent with apocalyptic themes found in Revelation, 2 Peter, Jude, Zechariah, and Daniel.

The themes of divine judgment, fallen angels, spiritual corruption, and the return of the Son of Man are all biblically foundational.

The omission of Enoch leaves major theological gaps in the canon regarding pre-Flood history, demonology, and the role of angels.

The Book of Enoch fills in background theology that is assumed by later biblical texts.

Enoch’s account of the Watchers explains the urgency of the Flood far more clearly than Genesis alone.

Without Enoch, the reader must infer complex doctrines from fragmented verses.

Enoch aligns with New Testament emphasis on cosmic spiritual conflict.

Enoch was once accepted by the broader early Christian world and was only later marginalized.

The Book of Enoch is more theologically grounded than several later Apocryphal works that remained in Catholic Bibles (e.g., Tobit, Judith).

There is no evidence of widespread rejection of Enoch in the first three centuries of Christianity.

The rejection of Enoch coincided with Rome’s consolidation of theological control over canon formation.

Enoch provides a clear Messianic vision prior to the Law, tying Christ to pre-Abrahamic prophecy.


So the only answer one can be left with is this:

The Book of Enoch wasn’t excluded because it was false. It was excluded because it was too true — and too terrifying.

The content of Enoch is not mild theology. It isn’t concerned with civic morality or imperial order. It pulls the curtain back on a world of angelic rebellion, forbidden knowledge, corrupted bloodlines, judgment by fire, and an all-seeing Messiah enthroned before creation.

In other words:
Enoch reveals a supernatural war — and it names names.

The early Roman Church, under imperial influence, had every reason to avoid that.

At the time of canon finalization, the Christian faith was being absorbed into empire. Constantine’s goal was not purity of doctrine — it was unity of empire. And a book like Enoch, which reveals:

The origin of demonic spirits,
The crimes of heavenly beings,
The pre-Advent enthronement of the Son of Man,
And an unrelenting prophetic condemnation of world powers…

…was not useful to a system trying to create order, hierarchy, and long-term political control.

It scared people.
Not because it was fantasy — but because it wasn’t.
It described a spiritual reality so intense, so direct, and so unfiltered, that Rome saw it as destabilizing.

So they buried it.

It wasn’t doctrinal deviation that got Enoch shelved.
It was doctrinal danger —
danger to the religious gatekeepers, to the imperial narrative, and to the sanitized, post-apocalyptic version of Christianity Rome was creating.

The Book of Enoch didn’t fit the empire’s religion.

But it fit the apostles’ worldview perfectly.

And that’s why it had to go.

That’s like saying God doesn’t have full control over his word. Ridiculous idea. The book of Enoch isn’t in the Bible because God didn’t want it in the Bible.

 

[shepherdsword]

Is the book of Enoch that book in Daniel 12:4?

The book was the one Daniel wrote

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

No I'm saying that your reason for accepting it is not good enough.
You are claiming that the book of Enoch was written by Enoch. There is no evidence for that claim.
As for accepting it, the church Fathers who formed the new testament did not think it had a good enough claim to be included.

The general rule for including letters into the cannon of scripture was that it should have been written by either an apostle or by a close associate of an appostle and that it did not contradict the accepted gospel message.

As I've said beforee the accepted date for the writting of the book of enoch is 300 to 200 years bc.

You may find it and other writings like it helpful but please don't assume it has more authority than that of helpful writtings.

No one is claiming Enoch himself sat down with papyrus in 300 BC. That’s a straw man. The point is that Jude; under inspiration of the Holy Spirit — explicitly quoted the words of ‘Enoch, the seventh from Adam’ (Jude 14–15). That means early Christians recognized the book as preserving authentic prophecy, whether it was transmitted orally or compiled later.

If you’re going to dismiss Enoch because its final form was written in 200 BC, then consistency forces you to dismiss Genesis, Job, and Isaiah too since their final forms were also compiled and edited centuries after the events they describe. Do you reject Genesis because Moses didn’t autograph it? Of course not.

And as for your claim about the canon, the church fathers didn’t reject Enoch because it was false. They quoted it, respected it, and preserved it. They excluded it from the canon mainly because of questions of liturgical use and apostolic connection, not because the content was deemed worthless. Even Tertullian argued it should be considered scripture.

So here’s the real question: If the inspired apostle Jude quoted Enoch as genuine prophecy, are you willing to say Jude was wrong? Or will you admit that ‘helpful writings’ is too weak a category for something the New Testament itself validates?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

That’s like saying God doesn’t have full control over his word. Ridiculous idea. The book of Enoch isn’t in the Bible because God didn’t want it in the Bible.

That’s a shallow answer. If God personally dictated the canon, then why do Catholic, Orthodox, Ethiopian, and Protestant Bibles all have different canons? Who’s wrong??? and how did God ‘lose control’ for 1,500 years until Protestants came along?

The reality is: God allowed humans — bishops, councils, scribes — to wrestle with which books to include. That’s why Jude quotes Enoch as prophecy, but later churchmen under Rome shelved it. That’s not God’s failure; it’s human politics.

If you’re going to argue ‘God didn’t want it,’ then you have to say God wanted the Apocrypha in Catholic Bibles, God wanted Enoch in the Ethiopian Bible, and God wanted Protestants to have fewer books than everyone else. Do you see the problem?

Here’s the truth: the Word of God isn’t limited to a table of contents nailed down in the 4th century under Constantine. Jude quoting Enoch proves it carried prophetic weight. The fact Rome buried it only proves it was dangerous to their empire; not that it was worthless to the Church.

 

[IndianaRob]

That’s a shallow answer. If God personally dictated the canon, then why do Catholic, Orthodox, Ethiopian, and Protestant Bibles all have different canons? Who’s wrong??? and how did God ‘lose control’ for 1,500 years until Protestants came along?

The reality is: God allowed humans — bishops, councils, scribes — to wrestle with which books to include. That’s why Jude quotes Enoch as prophecy, but later churchmen under Rome shelved it. That’s not God’s failure; it’s human politics.

If you’re going to argue ‘God didn’t want it,’ then you have to say God wanted the Apocrypha in Catholic Bibles, God wanted Enoch in the Ethiopian Bible, and God wanted Protestants to have fewer books than everyone else. Do you see the problem?

Here’s the truth: the Word of God isn’t limited to a table of contents nailed down in the 4th century under Constantine. Jude quoting Enoch proves it carried prophetic weight. The fact Rome buried it only proves it was dangerous to their empire; not that it was worthless to the Church.

There are 66 knops, bowls and flowers on the candlestick for a reason.

Chatgpt did you know there were 66 knops bowls and flowers on the candlestick in the bible

ChatGPT said:​

Yes — you’re talking about the golden candlestick (menorah) described in Exodus 25.
When God gave Moses instructions for building the tabernacle, He gave very detailed specifications for the candlestick, including knops (buds), bowls, and flowers.
If you count carefully:

• Each branch and the central shaft had a repeating pattern of bowls, knops, and flowers.
• Altogether, it adds up to 66 ornaments (bowls, knops, and flowers combined).

Many Bible students find that number fascinating because:

• There are 66 books in the Bible.
• The menorah is often seen as a symbol of God’s Word — giving light to His people.

So yes, it’s a little “hidden picture” in the design — 66 decorations on the candlestick, 66 books in Scripture, one central lampstand holding it all together

 

[Muna]

That’s like saying God doesn’t have full control over his word. Ridiculous idea. The book of Enoch isn’t in the Bible because God didn’t want it in the Bible.

In 1Cr 5:9 Paul refers to a previous letter he wrote to the church of Corinth in which states, " I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators"...

And that letter as many acknowledged is lost, and not even included among the rest of the espistles, even though it was specifcially mentioned by Paul to the church of Corinth.

And these letters were to be read by other churches even when written to one specific church, for example

Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

Then ofcourse there is the plain warning God made sure was included in the book of Revelation for instance.

Rev 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Okkkay... getting back on topic..


This is it in a nutshell..

Some of you might want to sit down for this...

Back in 300 AD the bishops were basically saying: ‘Do you seriously want to put the Book of Enoch in the Bible? Are you nuts?!? Have you lost your mind? Jude quotes him, the guy walked with God for 300 years — but have you actually read his account? This thing will scare the living crap out of everybody. Only a fool or a madman would canonize it. We cannot allow it. And we wont.

Enoch wasn’t excluded because it was worthless — it was excluded because it was nuclear.

It’s the missing link between Eden and the Flood, the key to understanding the supernatural war we’re stuck in. Without it, Christianity feels watered down, like somebody ripped out the heart of the story.

When they found Enoch in with the Dead Sea Scrolls right next to Genesis, the Vatican and bishops must’ve gone into panic mode: ‘We knew this day would eventually come. How do we explain how the Book of Enoch isn’t in the Bible when it literally sat in the same jar for 2,000 years next to Genesis?’

OOPS!

In 300 AD it sounded insane, in 1890 on the prairie's of Minnesota it still sounded insane, but in 2025? With Star Wars, sci-fi, UFOs, and genetic labs? Now it reads like an ancient eyewitness report of an alien invasion, angels crossing the line, wrecking creation, and pissing God off so bad He wiped the earth clean. And if it had been in the canon the whole time? By the 1960s, when UFO fever hit and sci-fi was everywhere, people would’ve laughed off the Bible as a flying saucer cult. There's a reason to have kept it out of the canon right there.. and why they buried it for 2000 years. Not because it was false but because it was too true.

Go ahead and ask me what I think the chances are that God had a hand in those men stumbling across Enoch and Genesis rolled up together in the same cave, sealed for 2,000 years, and cracking it open in the 1940s right when the modern world was finally about to be able to understand it. That’s not coincidence — that’s divine timing. God kept it hidden until humanity had the categories to process it. In 100 AD it sounded insane, in 1890 it sounded insane but post-1940s? With space travel, nuclear weapons, sci-fi, and genetic tampering? Suddenly Enoch doesn’t read like myth anymore at all in 2025. It reads like a history we weren’t ready for; until now.

 

[IndianaRob]

In 1Cr 5:9 Paul refers to a previous letter he wrote to the church of Corinth in which states, " I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators"...

And that letter as many acknowledged is lost, and not even included among the rest of the espistles, even though it was specifcially mentioned by Paul to the church of Corinth.

And these letters were to be read by other churches even when written to one specific church, for example

Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

Then ofcourse there is the plain warning God made sure was included in the book of Revelation for instance.

Rev 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

So your idea is that any letter Paul ever wrote was inspired and considered scripture. Is that your point?

 

[Muna]

When I had read the book of Enoch, the first thing that struck me was (as the OP mentioned) the reference to the Son of man as Jesus refered to himself as. But also the the words "eternal life" mentioned throughout the NT which would come by Him as well.