Every nation was born in sin once a human ruler was exalted.American was born in sin.
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Every nation was born in sin once a human ruler was exalted.American was born in sin.
I will never leave you nor forsake youTheir protection would be gone when Jesus left them.
you are out of order BB...lolI will never leave you nor forsake you
meh, so reason away I will never leave you nor forsake you then, ok with meyou are out of order BB...lol
No really, this grenade you just threw in, is not the exactly same thing BB....he would always be with them in spirit of course. The disciples, having Christ, before his death, with the Father's protection is 'bullet-proof' for all occasions...must look at this more carefully on why the part/verse you quoted does not apply or have exactly the same meaning and context....scripture can be very precise and cannot be used in all or many places that sound like the same thing...
APAK
Get your Bible out and let's research the verse you quoted....then we can reason it together...so what do you say BB? Are you on?meh, so reason away I will never leave you nor forsake you then, ok with me
well dont get me wrong, i am not condemning you for that, it takes all kinds imo, and i even Read where you would be "forgiven"--which implies missing the mark at least, if not outright sin, right--for that--or at least for self or family defense; property defense i dunno--but let's extend it to prop defense even; then i would ask why you are not exercising your 2nd amendment "rights" too, being as how your posterity is currently being robbed of $Trillions, with a T?Get your Bible out and let's research the verse you quoted....then we can reason it together...so what do you say BB? Are you on?
Being robbed is right.....as with many others in their own countries...The 2nd amendment was first to ensure a militia of the people, as a group, would become a sure deterrent against the evils of an overly intrusive government. These evils have to be more that just stealing money unfortunately, and it is the right thing to restrain self in perseverance at this time. We can really overcome this without force, in the end. And this is the patience of a true patriot...and really the stealing of the people's resources and money is not everything by itself. If this theft was then attached or accompanied by devices to bring the people to it knees such as control of food and their general livelihood, then and only then do we act with the 2nd Amendment in mind....it has to be the last resort, else would be considered hypocrites and it would be unjustifiable and unbiblical, indeed. It's a tough thing to bite one's tongue and keep hands at one's sides in these times..well dont get me wrong, i am not condemning you for that, it takes all kinds imo, and i even Read where you would be "forgiven"--which implies missing the mark at least, if not outright sin, right--for that--or at least for self or family defense; property defense i dunno--but let's extend it to prop defense even; then i would ask why you are not exercising your 2nd amendment "rights" too, being as how your posterity is currently being robbed of $Trillions, with a T?
having nothing, yet having everything
see, wadr we are not even on the same planet i guess, ok
go ye, and shoot whomever you feel justified in shooting, idc
Show us that in the NT.BL..you should be armed and ready to defend your property, family and own life.
I hope you are not looking for these exact words or similar ones in my statement you quoted. It's not there in that fashion of course. You will find it however in scripture, as spoken to the local culture for that time. Jesus used a much different language of Aramaic and very little Hebrew. The idioms and phrases to express the modern version of your concern can be found in them...I did already touch on some of them...I challenge you to find some of them for yourself.Show us that in the NT.
So, Christians should welcome, and not resist when someone shoots up a Church during Sunday Morning Services.... Hmmmmm.
Is there any room for the concept of justice and righteousness?
And do you look to the Scriptural examples of where our Eternal God, yesterday, today and forever that commanded His people to take up arms to gain land, and to defend their life and protect their beliefs in God?
Does this Scripture factor into what God intends?
Thank you @Ronald Nolette. This has been my suspicion but it has been hard for me to swallow. The "America was born in sin" quote is a very hard hitting thought (and probably offensive to many as even I not being an American but have loved their history felt the blow). I am taking that thought very seriously.
I love their constitution and their freedom and it's very hard for me to accept the foundation of America which I believe has been a beacon of freedom to the rest of the world in this way - but I am beginning to see more that scripture is stacking up against me and my logic. Thank you for sharing!
You're right saying "It's not there".I hope you are not looking for these exact words or similar ones in my statement you quoted. It's not there in that fashion of course. You will find it however in scripture, as spoken to the local culture for that time. Jesus used a much different language of Aramaic and very little Hebrew. The idioms and phrases to express the modern version of your concern can be found in them...I did already touch on some of them...I challenge you to find some of them for yourself.
Christians in the NT were persecuted even to death. They did not resist.As a return question to you, I challenge you to show me in the NT where it says the reverse, NOT to be ready, armed to defend, life, liberty and property? Of course we have to be mature, responsible, accountable in the undertaking of defense with swords/arms of home and life...it is easier said than done. There are I admit many woefully inept and immature to perform this biblical directive when necessary, and when the time under the Spirit says now is the time. It is not a hard concept to imagine! We serve God and his turf as his will, and defend it as he allows, with patience, showing love, forgiveness as he would desire..
Thanks,
APAK
America was stolen.I believe God designed America to be a free nation! but to overthrow the ruling government is plain wrong. I believe that chaos and moral decay we see today is our inception sin finally catching up to us! YOu cannot expect people in a nation born of rebellion to not want to rebel when they dislike the government.
We are (or were ) a symbol of freedom and responsibility, but we are a socialist nation now and the light of the gospel which propelled America to greatness has been placed under a bushel. de Tocqueville in the 1800's was awed by the greatness of America! He said America was great because it people were basically good! Buy that He meant that generally, the citizens had a great respect for Gods Word and sought to live by its precepts.
President Adams declared that Americas Constitution is ony workable for a moral and religious people.
The left (or many on the left) seek to toss the constituion, because for the most part the left is no longer moral or religious! Many on te right as well.
Every nation was born in sin once a human ruler was exalted.
America was stolen.