the blood?

[Taken]

the blood is the life of the flesh, not the man.

Semantics. The man IS Flesh and Bones and Tissues, and Organs, and without Blood, a man will perish.

the soul is what to be saved

TY. Well aware and have spoken on that topic in depth.

also i don't see you hanging on some cross bleeding out for the sake of your soul, so you're going to have to explain what you understand by crucified with Christ.

*Its a Spiritual Giving of ones Life Expressly For and Unto the Lord...
* A natural giving of ones Life For or Unto others, (has a whole host of ways that can be accomplished).
* And lastly a person who hangs on to his own life "for himself", (in all manners possible), never considering or doing...giving his Life unto the Lord.

 

[robert derrick]

If we bled out, gave our lives for our sin, it still could not have redeemed us. It had no spiritual life in it. After the fall of mankind, imperfect human blood could no longer pay the price Justice demanded.

That is good.

Our dying does no good for redemption with God, because His Life and Love is not in our corrupted blood (1 Cor 13), because it has no spiritual life in it from God.

At the first man was made in God's image (as different from the rest of the creatures on earth) was to be made with God's pure blood in our hearts, wherein is His Life and Spirit and incorruptible immortality. He breathed into our nostrils and blood His breath and Spirit of Life, for the spirit and the life are in the blood (Lev 17). When man sinned against God, our blood was no more pure and good to have His Life and Spirit.

Except by drinking the pure incorruptible blood of God in Jesus Christ, which He shed upon the cross for our redemption, we cannot eat of the tree of Life ever again. By the faith of Jesus from the heart, wherein His blood, and life, and Spirit, and Love is shed abroad (Rom 15), mankind once again is made in the pure image of God to be partakers of His divine nature. (2 Peter 1) His true blood, that is drink indeed once again flows in the hearts of them that believe (John 6).

Jesus is the 2nd Adam who's sole purpose in coming down from heaven upon the earth was to once again provide us the incorruptible Blood, Life, and Spirit of God, which the 1st Adam corrupted and passed on to us by transgression.

In these last days, as at the first, we may be born again of His Spirit, where the Lord God breathes once again into our earth nostrils His Life and blood into our hearts. Except this time with knowledge of the wages of sin, that is death and separation from God's Spirit and Blood.

Jesus is the beginning and the ending, the first and the last. His Blood began in man at the first, and His blood will end in man at last, because He shed His blood on the cross for man in between.

 

[Taken]

I'm remembering something epi said a while back about how he believed a more accurate translation of life for a life was: life in a life.

I do believe the Source of all Life is God.
Life of and in a man BLOOD.
Life of and in a soul Gods Breath OF Life...
( which once a soul with Gods Breath of Life, is IN a man, the mans WHOLE Body becomes ALIVE, (his Body sustained in Life by Its Blood, and elements out of the Earth, (water, food, nutrients, vitamins).
A mans Bodily LIFE without food/water, will die slowly.
A mans Bodily LIFE without blood, will die within seconds/minutes.
A naturally born mans Body without a soul, IS a physically Dead body.
A mans naturally born man with the Spirit of God "IN" him, is a man with a new born "spiritual" spirit.

Life of a man is not a "simple"... deduction, considering...
The blood life of man... created by God
The soul life of man.... made by God.
The spirit life of man.. given by God.

Created AND Made, two different things.
God Created....and them MADE His creations
Alive/ living.
THAT long history is the Beginning of Knowledge OT.
ALSO...THE long history in the OT of Gods Promises to GIVE.
Moving in the NT....DETAILS in the Knowledge of HOW TO RECEIVE what God has OFFERED to GIVE every man.
God IS GOOD....Parise and Glory unto Him.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[robert derrick]

"Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6)

"There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5)

The spirit and the life of a man are in the blood of a man.

Corrupted blood by transgression has a spirit of error (1 John 4:6) and is dead to the Life of God. It can do no good to save man nor redeem himself to God, even if it is all bled out into the earth (1 Cor 13:3)

The pure blood of God breathed into the nostrils of Adam was defiled in Adam's transgression. For god to breathe His pure incorruptibel blood and Spirit and Life into man again, He need a 2nd Adam to shed it upon the earth for whoever would rink thereof: Jesus Christ, the true God and Savior.

The whole Covenant of the blood of bulls and goats was only to foreshadow the coming of the Holy One, who's true Blood we must drink, not as pagans drink the blood of animals, but as sons of God drink His Blood in Spirit and in truth (John 4)

How do we therefore drink the blood of the Son of God that we may eat freely of the tree of Life and live forever? By worshipping the only true God and Savior Jesus Christ our Lord.

By worship in Him, we eat His flesh and drink His blood, and we literally live by Him forever (John 6:57): We worship and live by His flesh and His blood in us, and we in Him as His body upon earth and in heaven.

 

[robert derrick]

Crucifying Jesus afresh by returning to the death of past transgressions and sins, is to spit out His blood as an unholy thing, despising the Spirit of grace that in His blood. (Heb 10) (2 Peter 2)

Once doing so, it is impossible to renew repentance toward God, because there remains no more sacrifice for sin, because Jesus would only shed His blood into the earth ONCE. No more. (Heb 7)

So, no matter how much sin we may find ourselves entangled in, by no means must we cease to pray and worship and confess and be thankful for His everlasting mercies and lovingkindness to us-ward, for the sake of the blood of His dear Son, which still abides in us...

For if we do cease to confess and worship with thankfulness for forgiveness of sins, no matter how oft we must do, then we indeed spit His blood out, and when we bleed out into the earth our own corrupt blood, we will not be present with Him in heaven.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Lev_17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.


in this verse as far as i can find is the first place where blood atonement and soul are mention in the same sentence.

thing is, why is it the blood that is the acceptable atonement? the flesh isn't being saved the soul is.

Maybe it makes sense if we recall the creation of our species?

Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[Robert Gwin]

where in scripture does it say that at?

Numbers 31:28

Take note also of Ecc 3:19 DP:
(Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) . . .there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust. . .


Hope that helps sir, live beings are souls subject to death.

 

[DPMartin]

Semantics. The man IS Flesh and Bones and Tissues, and Organs, and without Blood, a man will perish.

no its not semantics, the soul is what it is and is not to be confused with blood or flesh. without flesh man is no longer in the world, and the truth is, that's all you can prove.

*Its a Spiritual Giving of ones Life Expressly For and Unto the Lord...
* A natural giving of ones Life For or Unto others, (has a whole host of ways that can be accomplished).
* And lastly a person who hangs on to his own life "for himself", (in all manners possible), never considering or doing...giving his Life unto the Lord.

right here you prove you argue only to win

in one sentence you say man is flesh and blood but to win your point you say now man is spirit. what happened man is flesh and blood as though there's nothing more?

 

[DPMartin]

Maybe it makes sense if we recall the creation of our species?

Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

how does that make it make sense?

 

[DPMartin]

Numbers 31:28

Take note also of Ecc 3:19 DP:
(Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) . . .there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust. . .


Hope that helps sir, live beings are souls subject to death.

what version is that?

KJV:
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

catholic online bible:

19 For the fate of human and the fate of animal is the same: as the one dies, so the other dies; both have the selfsame breath. Human is in no way better off than animal -- since all is futile.

JPS:
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them; as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that man hath no pre-eminence above a beast; for all is vanity.

no mention of "spirit" here, your text wouldn't be of a paraphrased bible would it?

notice much of the meaning is changed, even the Jewish translation (JPS) disagrees with your quote of the text.

paraphrased bibles are not translation per say they are a edited version of a translation usually to the editor's views of what the editor thinks it ought to say. again if that's what you quoted.

 

[DPMartin]

If we bled out, gave our lives for our sin, it still could not have redeemed us. It had no spiritual life in it. After the fall of mankind, imperfect human blood could no longer pay the price Justice demanded.

that's pretty much presumed hence the thread. but one of your previous posting mentions God's judgment is that the sinner die. na, that's not it at all.

God's judgement is life, thing is what life, and what does it require to live it. the life God gave Adam and Eve, required faithfulness to the Word of God. even Jesus reiterated, man lives by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. that is the life they had. Eve went by the words of the serpent and Adam listed to the voice of Eve. boom its like they stepped out in front of a speeding bus. because the Life God gave Adam (Luk:3:38) "Adam, which was the son of God", which is the life they died from that day they ate, requiring walking in the Word of God continually, like Jesus did, and was left with dust to dust in the flesh.
therefore, A&E basically went by their own judgement of what is good or evil and was faithful to that and not the Word of God.

man's judgement and the results of man's judgement is death. the "sin" is Adam agreed to the covenant, the commandment stipulating the conditions in the garden. and sinned against the contract therefore against God whom he was in agreement with. which gave God the right to forgive the offence to the agreement, and let man continue in the flesh without the life Adam had of son of God.

 

[theQuestioneer]

Lev_17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

in this verse as far as i can find is the first place where blood atonement and soul are mention in the same sentence.
thing is, why is it the blood that is the acceptable atonement? the flesh isn't being saved the soul is.

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"Soul" is translated as "life", in these dishonest translations.

Lev 17:11- for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul. - Darby

 

[robert derrick]

how does that make it make sense?

How does this sound?
I'm reading that the spirit and life of man is in the blood of man:

"The life of the flesh is in the blood, and the blood is the life of all flesh. The blood of it is for the life thereof" (Lev 17).

"O Lord, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit." (Isaiah 38)

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6)

"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." (Rom 8)

"The body without the spirit is dead" (James 2). (The flesh without the blood is dead)

And so we have three things perfectly intertwined: the blood, the life, and the Spirit. The spirit and the life are one in the blood. Without blood, all flesh dies, because the life and the spirit of man are in the blood.

The blood of all mankind was corrupted and defiled by the transgression of Adam, and so the spirit became that of error from the serpent, and the life became dead: dead in trespasses and sins, and having the spirit of error dominating sinful man. (Eph 2:1)(1 John 4:6)

But with the coming of the Son down from heaven and upon the earth, the Spirit and the Life of God became in the blood of a man again, as it was in the beginning with Adam. The 2nd Adam Jesus Christ.

"There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5)

"Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6)

“But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.” (John 19)

The sole purpose and necessity of the the true God coming into the world as a man was to bring the true, undefiled, and immortal blood of God's Spirit and Life back upon the earth, which was shed at the cross for any to drink that believe and worship Him.

Those receiving Him by the faith of Jesus, receive also His blood are born again of His Spirit with eternal Life and immortality flowing thru their hearts in the inner man. The sons of God and body of Christ filled with His Spirit and Life that is in His dear Son's blood.

 

[DPMartin]

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"Soul" is translated as "life", in these dishonest translations.

Lev 17:11- for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul. - Darby

well maybe it can be said that way seeing the soul of the flesh is spoken of not the soul of man

the blood can be the soul of the flesh just as the soul is the soul of man.

but the JPS, a Jewish translation that would know more about Hebrew than Darby would, says
JPS
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that maketh atonement by reason of the life.


also if one continues on in darby:

11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
12 Therefore have I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall the stranger who sojourneth among you eat blood.
13 And every one of the children of Israel, and of the strangers who sojourn among them, that catcheth in the hunt a beast or fowl that may be eaten, he shall pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with earth;
14 for as to the life of all flesh, its blood is the life in it; and I have said unto the children of Israel, Of the blood of no manner of flesh shall ye eat, for the life of all flesh is its blood: whoever eateth it shall be cut off.


in the stones: a Hebrew translation in verse 14 states:
"For the life of any creator - its blood represents its life"

but there's no doubt that the blood is the life of the flesh which could be said the soul of the flesh, but the soul is a soul not blood. again if you get a blood transfusion, do you become a split personally? of course not, you didn't receive the soul of another.

 

[DPMartin]

How does this sound?
I'm reading that the spirit and life of man is in the blood of man:

"The life of the flesh is in the blood, and the blood is the life of all flesh. The blood of it is for the life thereof" (Lev 17).

"O Lord, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit." (Isaiah 38)

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6)

"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." (Rom 8)

"The body without the spirit is dead" (James 2). (The flesh without the blood is dead)

And so we have three things perfectly intertwined: the blood, the life, and the Spirit. The spirit and the life are one in the blood. Without blood, all flesh dies, because the life and the spirit of man are in the blood.

The blood of all mankind was corrupted and defiled by the transgression of Adam, and so the spirit became that of error from the serpent, and the life became dead: dead in trespasses and sins, and having the spirit of error dominating sinful man. (Eph 2:1)(1 John 4:6)

But with the coming of the Son down from heaven and upon the earth, the Spirit and the Life of God became in the blood of a man again, as it was in the beginning with Adam. The 2nd Adam Jesus Christ.

"There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5)

"Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6)

“But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.” (John 19)

The sole purpose and necessity of the the true God coming into the world as a man was to bring the true, undefiled, and immortal blood of God's Spirit and Life back upon the earth, which was shed at the cross for any to drink that believe and worship Him.

Those receiving Him by the faith of Jesus, receive also His blood are born again of His Spirit with eternal Life and immortality flowing thru their hearts in the inner man. The sons of God and body of Christ filled with His Spirit and Life that is in His dear Son's blood.

no offence but it sounds like you might be out there in left field some where. there's no doubt that the blood is the life of the flesh which could be said the soul of the flesh, but the soul is a soul not blood. again if you get a blood transfusion, do you become a split personally? of course not, you didn't receive the soul of another.

so there's more to it than meets the eye on why the blood. and why only Christ's blood.

 

[theQuestioneer]

Church people don't even believe DIED- so how can they understand anything from God's word.

 

[DPMartin]

look, lets go over some basics here.

the flesh and the blood is the substance of man's dwelling in the earth, in this case, excluding heart and mind of which all breathing flesh have, the soul is suppose to be the substance of the Presence of God IN THE EARTH. hence, the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit is where?

man became a living soul when God breathed into his nostrils but that life that was of "God's Breath" hence Spirit of God is gone via A&E. also there's no place that says God breathed into any other flesh. and yes Spirit of God because Jesus did the same representing the restoration of what was lost that He was doing.
Joh_20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

note they all had souls before He breathed on them.

 

[Amazed@grace]

look, lets go over some basics here.

the flesh and the blood is the substance of man's dwelling in the earth, in this case, excluding heart and mind of which all breathing flesh have, the soul is suppose to be the substance of the Presence of God IN THE EARTH. hence, the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit is where?

man became a living soul when God breathed into his nostrils but that life that was of "God's Breath" hence Spirit of God is gone via A&E. also there's no place that says God breathed into any other flesh. and yes Spirit of God because Jesus did the same representing the restoration of what was lost that He was doing.
Joh_20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

note they all had souls before He breathed on them.

Where in scripture does it say the living soul, by God's breath, left Adam and Eve after the fall?

 

[theQuestioneer]

NEVER does.

 

[Amazed@grace]

how does that make it make sense?

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

What Does the Bible Say About Soul Blood?