The Book of Remembrance

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Can you not hand out help to the poor in need directly. Rather then pass your money through a system, where the wealthy take a bite out of it?
When I give aid directly to those in need, they may end up giving credit to their idol, believing in their heart that it's their idol, who is the true provider.
 

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And this coming from someone who likes the incoherence of somebody like Amigo. You are a hypocrite of the highest order. And many will agree with me on that assessment because they can tell a hypocrite when they see one.

And you are so unloving and harsh to any newcomer here...using them as a foil against your religious hubris. You only care for yourself.

How you and Amigo spewed religious ideology at that atheist guy...confirming WHY he is an atheist. I would be an atheist too if I had to listen to your vapourings for any length of time.
Really I wish I were done talking to you, but just to inform you and others reading, that not everyone is a reaper (evangelist)........reapers reap what the ploughmen have worked hard for.

And it appears you and your friends also don't know that the Lord tells us in His word why people reject Him.........though they will happily latch onto an excuse like they don't like what they have seen of Christians.....and you helping them with an excuse like that is counterproductive at best.
 

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Really I wish I were done talking to you, but just to inform you and others reading, that not everyone is a reaper (evangelist)........reapers reap what the ploughmen have worked hard for.

You can't help yourself because there is a small part of you that wants to know the truth. But you appeoach that from a carnal advantage perspective...so your time is indeed wasted.
And it appears you and your friends also don't know that the Lord tells us in His word why people reject Him.........though they will happily latch onto an excuse like they don't like what they have seen of Christians.....and you helping them with an excuse like that is counterproductive at best.
Anybody with any discernment at all...including the basic discernment of an atheist will see through your scheme for what it is: religious hubris. Hypocrisy. Pretend religiosity. Unreasonable double speak.
 

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I see a church with our Lord's name on it, and the church is asking for donations.

Should I not donate?

My dear brother, in your first post in this thread you spoke much of wealth and I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you meant spiritual wealth in Christ since you are from Asia and people from Asia are far more spiritual than western minded people who are raised as rational beings.

But now I understand your post was about material wealth, promoting the false prosperity Gospel.

Was Jesus a billionaire? He should have been following the prosperity Gospel, and He was not.

Jesus was homeless, that's not rich.

Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head” (Matthew 8:20).

Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives, and all the people came early in the morning to hear him at the temple” (Luke 21:37-38).
 
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My dear brother, in your first post in this thread you spoke much of wealth and I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you meant spiritual wealth in Christ since you are from Asia and people from Asia are far more spiritual than western minded people who are raised as rational beings.

But now I understand your post was about material wealth, promoting the false prosperity Gospel.

Was Jesus a billionaire? He should have been following the prosperity Gospel, and He was not.

Jesus was homeless, that's not rich.

Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head” (Matthew 8:20).

Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives, and all the people came early in the morning to hear him at the temple” (Luke 21:37-38).
Brother,

Read the parable of the lost son.

Go back to your father (Catholic church) and confess you have sin.
 

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Brother,

Read the parable of the lost son.

Go back to your father (Catholic church) and confess you have sin.

It's early in the morning here, I just finished my daily prayers for the new day. I am not aware of any sin. Part of my prayer were the words of King David -

Ps 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts!
Ps 139:24 And see if there be any grievous way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting!

And when I sin, I don't need any church, I go directly the only real Father, our Creator.
 
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You can't help yourself because there is a small part of you that wants to know the truth. But you appeoach that from a carnal advantage perspective...so your time is indeed wasted.

Anybody with any discernment at all...including the basic discernment of an atheist will see through your scheme for what it is: religious hubris. Hypocrisy. Pretend religiosity. Unreasonable double speak.
I think your fall must have been great since you can't grasp the spiritual paradoxes of things in the word of God. Truth is not unreasonable when one is able to understand.
 

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Brother,

Read the parable of the lost son.

Go back to your father (Catholic church) and confess you have sin.
The parable of the lost son, was a parable. Which means it contains allegory/figures. It is not a lesson about material things.
 
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I think your fall must have been great since you can't grasp the spiritual paradoxes of things in the word of God. Truth is not unreasonable when one is able to understand.
What you call spiritual paradoxes is God turning righteousness into unrighteousness. Because you don't understand anything beyond the temporal realm...you have to invent what you think the upside down kingdom is like.

For you it is not unreasonable to claim a sinful holiness. To sin IN Christ.

For you to cast your sins on Jesus as HIS responsibility, and then claim His righteousness as your right.....is not unreasonable.

There is no need to wonder why the more incoherent a statement is, the more you like it.

You hate the truth.
 

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What you call spiritual paradoxes is God turning righteousness into unrighteousness. Because you don't understand anything beyond the temporal realm...you have to invent what you think the upside down kingdom is like.

For you it is not unreasonable to claim a sinful holiness. To sin IN Christ.

For you to cast your sins on Jesus as HIS responsibility, and then claim His righteousness as your right.....is not unreasonable.

There is no need to wonder why the more incoherent a statement is, the more you like it.

You hate the truth.
Your accusations are way off the mark, as per usual.

Well Episkopos, unfortunately "God calling those things which be not as though they are" is an incoherent statement to you. Right along with "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen". You are too much in the carnal mind, which is enmity with God. True understanding is in spirit and it confounds the wisdom of the wise.
 

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Your accusations are way off the mark, as per usual.

Well Episkopos, unfortunately "God calling those things which be not as though they are" is an incoherent statement to you. Right along with "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen". You are too much in the carnal mind, which is enmity with God. True understanding is in spirit and it confounds the wisdom of the wise.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
 
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