The Book of Remembrance

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Can you not hand out help to the poor in need directly. Rather then pass your money through a system, where the wealthy take a bite out of it?
When I give aid directly to those in need, they may end up giving credit to their idol, believing in their heart that it's their idol, who is the true provider.
 

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And this coming from someone who likes the incoherence of somebody like Amigo. You are a hypocrite of the highest order. And many will agree with me on that assessment because they can tell a hypocrite when they see one.

And you are so unloving and harsh to any newcomer here...using them as a foil against your religious hubris. You only care for yourself.

How you and Amigo spewed religious ideology at that atheist guy...confirming WHY he is an atheist. I would be an atheist too if I had to listen to your vapourings for any length of time.
Really I wish I were done talking to you, but just to inform you and others reading, that not everyone is a reaper (evangelist)........reapers reap what the ploughmen have worked hard for.

And it appears you and your friends also don't know that the Lord tells us in His word why people reject Him.........though they will happily latch onto an excuse like they don't like what they have seen of Christians.....and you helping them with an excuse like that is counterproductive at best.
 

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Really I wish I were done talking to you, but just to inform you and others reading, that not everyone is a reaper (evangelist)........reapers reap what the ploughmen have worked hard for.

You can't help yourself because there is a small part of you that wants to know the truth. But you appeoach that from a carnal advantage perspective...so your time is indeed wasted.
And it appears you and your friends also don't know that the Lord tells us in His word why people reject Him.........though they will happily latch onto an excuse like they don't like what they have seen of Christians.....and you helping them with an excuse like that is counterproductive at best.
Anybody with any discernment at all...including the basic discernment of an atheist will see through your scheme for what it is: religious hubris. Hypocrisy. Pretend religiosity. Unreasonable double speak.
 

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I see a church with our Lord's name on it, and the church is asking for donations.

Should I not donate?

My dear brother, in your first post in this thread you spoke much of wealth and I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you meant spiritual wealth in Christ since you are from Asia and people from Asia are far more spiritual than western minded people who are raised as rational beings.

But now I understand your post was about material wealth, promoting the false prosperity Gospel.

Was Jesus a billionaire? He should have been following the prosperity Gospel, and He was not.

Jesus was homeless, that's not rich.

Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head” (Matthew 8:20).

Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives, and all the people came early in the morning to hear him at the temple” (Luke 21:37-38).
 
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My dear brother, in your first post in this thread you spoke much of wealth and I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you meant spiritual wealth in Christ since you are from Asia and people from Asia are far more spiritual than western minded people who are raised as rational beings.

But now I understand your post was about material wealth, promoting the false prosperity Gospel.

Was Jesus a billionaire? He should have been following the prosperity Gospel, and He was not.

Jesus was homeless, that's not rich.

Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head” (Matthew 8:20).

Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives, and all the people came early in the morning to hear him at the temple” (Luke 21:37-38).
Brother,

Read the parable of the lost son.

Go back to your father (Catholic church) and confess you have sin.
 

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Brother,

Read the parable of the lost son.

Go back to your father (Catholic church) and confess you have sin.

It's early in the morning here, I just finished my daily prayers for the new day. I am not aware of any sin. Part of my prayer were the words of King David -

Ps 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts!
Ps 139:24 And see if there be any grievous way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting!

And when I sin, I don't need any church, I go directly the only real Father, our Creator.
 
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You can't help yourself because there is a small part of you that wants to know the truth. But you appeoach that from a carnal advantage perspective...so your time is indeed wasted.

Anybody with any discernment at all...including the basic discernment of an atheist will see through your scheme for what it is: religious hubris. Hypocrisy. Pretend religiosity. Unreasonable double speak.
I think your fall must have been great since you can't grasp the spiritual paradoxes of things in the word of God. Truth is not unreasonable when one is able to understand.
 
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I think your fall must have been great since you can't grasp the spiritual paradoxes of things in the word of God. Truth is not unreasonable when one is able to understand.
What you call spiritual paradoxes is God turning righteousness into unrighteousness. Because you don't understand anything beyond the temporal realm...you have to invent what you think the upside down kingdom is like.

For you it is not unreasonable to claim a sinful holiness. To sin IN Christ.

For you to cast your sins on Jesus as HIS responsibility, and then claim His righteousness as your right.....is not unreasonable.

There is no need to wonder why the more incoherent a statement is, the more you like it.

You hate the truth.
 

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What you call spiritual paradoxes is God turning righteousness into unrighteousness. Because you don't understand anything beyond the temporal realm...you have to invent what you think the upside down kingdom is like.

For you it is not unreasonable to claim a sinful holiness. To sin IN Christ.

For you to cast your sins on Jesus as HIS responsibility, and then claim His righteousness as your right.....is not unreasonable.

There is no need to wonder why the more incoherent a statement is, the more you like it.

You hate the truth.
Your accusations are way off the mark, as per usual.

Well Episkopos, unfortunately "God calling those things which be not as though they are" is an incoherent statement to you. Right along with "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen". You are too much in the carnal mind, which is enmity with God. True understanding is in spirit and it confounds the wisdom of the wise.
 
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Your accusations are way off the mark, as per usual.

Well Episkopos, unfortunately "God calling those things which be not as though they are" is an incoherent statement to you. Right along with "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen". You are too much in the carnal mind, which is enmity with God. True understanding is in spirit and it confounds the wisdom of the wise.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
 
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I'm probably the only one who has ever been before the Lord for real. And the only one here who has walked in Zion (kingdom realm) for an extended amount of time. So maybe I am far more familiar with the truth than most.
no patting oneself on the back here.

Ep is the only one in this whole chatroom who has been before the Lord.

how do the mods let this person continue?
I also have a special training from the Lord. I know God in experience not just in theory. But I don't hold that over others...I just try correcting people into a view that supports the truth.
lol. experience in what? self righteousness and modern day phariseeism?
 
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no patting oneself on the back here.

Ep is the only one in this whole chatroom who has been before the Lord.

how do the mods let this person continue?

lol. experience in what? self righteousness and modern day phariseeism?
My friend that is not the worst of what epi does .
Not only does he rebuke me for rem inding us all that one must FIRST believe on JESUS .
You should see what he told an athiest .
THEN see what he told me when i reminded the atheist of his dire need to believe ON JESUS .
Religious extremist was what he called me . Things have long not looked good at all for epi .
I do know what the inclusivism he believes has taught .
And believe me its a whole other gospel all together . Which not only makes void
the dire necessity to Believe on JESUS
it calls the preaching of the gospel , religious extremism .
Not good at all .
 
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no patting oneself on the back here.

Ep is the only one in this whole chatroom who has been before the Lord.

how do the mods let this person continue?

lol. experience in what? self righteousness and modern day phariseeism?
so much for his special training . Oh i have no doubt HE bleieves he is on a SPECIAL MISSION from GOD .
but that there special mission of his , which he SO THINKS is of GOD .,
darn sure has omitted the dire necessity to have to beleive on JESUS .
IN fact his special mission sees the reminders to have to Believe on JESUS
WELL you GO and behold that site . HE called IT RELIGOUS extremism .
OH i have no doubt HE beleives his mission to be of GOD and That HE is a highly wise , highly spiritual man .
That so very very few have even attained . Kinda odd that high view , that higher walk of his
DARN SURE omits the dire need to Beleive on JESUS . That alone TELLS ME ALL i need to KNOW . IT AINT OF GOD at all .
Cause WHO does GOD testify on
and what IS the SPIRIT of PROPHECY .
WELL , GOD testifies ON THE SON .
And the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST , THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY . something went bad wrong with epi .
And wanna know what i b elieve it is , PRIDE . Pride caused that mans downfall and led him into
Only a knowledge , HE thinks is of GOD that darn sure h as set epi
As King of this spiritual knowledge meant TO SAVE THE WORLD from , THE GOSPEL OF JESUS chRIST . I can see it .
HE thinks he is sav ing christendom and the world . OH NO he aint .
PREACHING THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS would have darn sure been on his lips . ONLY IT AINT .
 

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Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
I'm probably the only one who has ever been before the Lord for real. And the only one here who has walked in Zion (kingdom realm) for an extended amount of time. So maybe I am far more familiar with the truth than most
YOUR OWN words . THOSE are EPI s OWN WORDS . LOOK AT THEM . and then remember he cant stand those who preach the need to believe on JESUS .
Sounds like a confession to me epi . c ause profressing yourself to be so wise , exactly epi .
You the enemy of the one true gospel of JESUS CHRIST that would have preached
the dire necessity to have to Belive on HIM as well as all things HE did teach .
ONLY YOU OMIT his own words of ye MUST BELEIVE
and all the while use his own words to bring your own so called higher learning to us .
And all of is a lie . YOU wont tell the atheist or anyone else what they must do .
You preach only works to them epi . And bodly not only refuse to preach the dire need to believe on JESUS
to them , you call those who do RELIGOIUS extremist s ..
MEANIN G you would have called JESUS a religious extremist and every one of them apostels .
Something went wrong epi . and i bet , oh how i bet i know what it was .
A five letter word BROUGHT YOU DOWN and in to a delusion to beleieve a lie .
PRIDE . as in your own . now great and mighty high leader and mighty man of special knowledge
that none of us mere things have attained unto , NOW what do you have to say for yourself .
 
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he is tryign to deflect.

Being he is a cult leader himself
To preach the dire necessity to Beleive on JESUS THE CHRIST is religious extremism to him .
BUT OH
OH I bet if i had said , HEY everyone its time for the dire need to beleive on EPI . that man
had probably promoted me to a king . HE aint fooling me .