One of the LAST things Jesus did with his Apostles was break bread and shared wine (communion) saying “do this in remembrance of me”. One of the FIRST things he did after his resurrection was break bread with his disciples. He was wasn't recognized by them until he broke the bread in Luke 24:35-48. Communion was one of the last things he did before he died and one of the first things he did after he rose from the dead so it was important to Jesus. So now we must ask ourselves WHY was it important to him?StanJ said:It's the one you responded to here.
Yes that much is obvious, but, the point is you haven't proven transubstantiation, you just assert it. The practice of communion was a point of celebration in Jesus's sacrifice as He himself commanded. He clearly identified the bread and wine as bread and wine, even though he referred to it as his body and blood metaphorically.
As I said quoting scripture involves using the reference not just paraphrasing what it says. I know Scripture but in order to avoid equivocation the common practice is to quote the verse using the reference. If you actually do that then you don't have to show the words because the site creates an automatic link to the verse using a pop up box. It also confirms that you're not miss quoting or paraphrasing the scripture to suit your own purposes.
Bread and wine are first mentioned in Genesis 14:18 when the priest Melchizedek “brought out bread and wine” as a sacrifice. According to the Letter to the Hebrews 7:17, Jesus is identified as "a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek". In Exodus 16:4 God said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread (manna) from Heaven for you…”. And when the people asked what it (manna) was Moses told them “It is the bread which the Lord has given you to eat.” Exodus 16:15
Jesus said in John 6 I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died (reference to Exodus16:4). This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh. “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. “For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. “As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. “This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever”.
In the OT the people who ate the manna (bread) that God sent them while they were in the wilderness died because it was just normal bread. The new manna or bread is Jesus flesh and He is not normal bread. He, his flesh, is the bread of life and he who eats this bread lives forever. If YOU believe that the bread Jesus offers (his flesh) is just like the bread of the OT then what YOU believe contradicts what Jesus said. Paul later re-affirms in 1 Corinthians 10:15 what Jesus said. Paul later WARNS us in 1 Corinthians 11:27-28 that man would be bringing "damnation to himself" if we partake in communion in an unworthy manner and shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord saying that we should examine himself.
Clement (a student of Peter and Paul) wrote in his Letter to the Corinthians: “In the same way, my brothers, when we offer our own Eucharist to God, each one should keep to his own degree (calling)” St. Ignatius of Antioch (a student of the Apostle John) in his Epistles to the Philippians wrote of “one common Eucharist; for there is but one Body of our Lord Jesus Christ, and but one cup of union with His Blood, and one single altar of sacrifice” In his Epistle to the Smyrnaeans he wrote: They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. (earlychristianwritings.com) The Didache says: But let none eat or drink of your Eucharist except those who have been baptized in the Lord's Name. For concerning this also did the Lord say, "Give not that which is holy to the dogs." (earlychristianwritings.com) Acts 2:42, which would have been written and occurred the same time frame that Clement and St. Ignatius were alive and the Didache was written, talks about the "breaking of bread". So the first Christians (the ones in the bible) and the early Christians (Clement, Ignatius and writers of the Didache) all practiced and believed the same thing.
Athenagoras of Athens wrote around 180 AD that the early Christians were being accused of THYSTEAN FEAST (earlychristianwritings.com). Thyestean Feast is marked by the consumption of human flesh. In other words the non-Christians, who did not participate in church services, thought the early Christians were eating real flesh during communion. Why did they think that? Because the early Christians believed what Jesus said when He said it is His body.
So I ask you AGAIN StanJ: How one can be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord when they eat the bread and drink the cup if it is just a metaphor? WHY would someone need to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup if it is just bread and wine or a symbol? How can one bring judgment upon ones self if it is a metaphor?? How can you eat or drink a metaphor in an "unworthy manner"?
The FACT is that Jesus preached it, Paul preached it, the early Christians practiced it, Clement, Ignatius and whoever wrote the Didache as a catechism for the first Christians didn't think Jesus was speaking metaphorically because they, which is documented as historical FACT, re-affirmed and practiced communion as being His Body and Blood.
I ask you StanJ how YOU can say that Jesus was speaking metaphorically in John 6:48-59? His disciples didn't think he was speaking metaphorically so they walked away (John 6:66). Are you going to walk away also?