Hobie
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Yes, and many Christians do that, in fact one of the ladies at church told me she was 'propositioned' more at church than anywhere else, so it happens my brother, as sure as the day is long as they say...
The Case for Eternal Security
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mailmandan
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Nowhere in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled underfoot the Son of God and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." By the time we get down to verse 39, we see that the writer of Hebrews sets up a CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was not referring to saved Hebrews who lost their salvation: But WE are not OF THOSE who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
mailmandan
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Many Christians do that? Chapter and verse please. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers mixed together throughout various churches and on various Christian forum sites.
Elsewhere in the book of Hebrews 4:1-2, we read - For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; but the word which THEY heard did not profit THEM, not being mixed with faith in THOSE who heard it.
For WE who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Obviously, not all of these Hebrews were genuine believers. *Notice that verses 2-3 makes a distinction between US who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and THEM who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.
And I respect yours. It's heartwarming that neither of us is as strident in our positions as many who post on this site, attacking their dissenters with ad hominems and sometimes vitriol.
mailmandan
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Hobie
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Well, if you look most Christians are nominal, they just warm the seat at church and hardly ever open their Bible, to say even less of knowing its truth, just what the preacher tells them. Go to any of the large churches and you will find them, it seems the struggling congregations in the small churches with a humble leader of the flock, tend to be more genuine...
No, I don't believe that many Christians willfully sin. And I certainly don't believe many Christians willfully sin "per Hebrews 10:26." (Two very different propositions.) I'm just wondering what kind of "chapter and verse" you are asking for.
mailmandan
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I was looking for chapter and verse from him to back up his argument. Some people try to use Matthew 7:22-23 yet Jesus said He never knew these many people which means they were never saved.
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The one with the most verses wins. Isn't that how it works? - LOL
Currently at 124 for Eternal Security.
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God does not provide us with eternal security; however, we can be secure in Christ and His promises if we take our nourishment from His fertile soil/field.
God understood that a righteous man can sin and if that righteous man will not repent of his sin, then God sadly knows that we will die the second death and lose the promise of life because we had formed a relationship with God.
God understood that a righteous man can sin and if that righteous man will not repent of his sin, then God sadly knows that we will die the second death and lose the promise of life because we had formed a relationship with God.
What do people, who have met Jesus, have which is more or better than what Adam and Eve had in the garden before they disobeyed God? What I see is people being given the chance to choose for themselves, life or death, even as Adam and Eve had that choice. This was so for people in the OT as well as it is for people in the NT including today. Is not our God fair and has He also never has been a respecter of persons? As people from Adam up to Jesus could falter and fail, so also could those thereafter, falter and fail.
Our God is still no respecter of persons. While there is choice, the person may choose Life or death...
Lambano
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Lambano
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Lambano
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Well, my verses are better than your verses, so nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah!
(Now THAT'S how it usually works!)
mailmandan
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One thing that I've learned over the years as a member of various Christian forum sites is that t's impossible to prove anything theologically to someone whose mind is already made up.
