THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[David in NJ]

Ugh!

Why do you attempt to separate what God has joined together in blessing "all the nations of the earth" only beginning with Abraham and Israel? Do you not understand that in the marriage, all become "One?"

THANK YOU for your post

Unbelievable how people try to disavow that which God has called unto His Son for Salvation, Fellowship and Freedom

 

[David in NJ]

I'm afraid you are dangerously deceived.

"Now we know no man after the flesh any longer." There is no longer Jew or Gentile as far as God is concerned really, there are only the saved or the lost, which Jew/Gentile were allegories (ensamples) for in the first place. But I am not expecting you will have ears to hear the truth unfortunately.

When people have an agenda that is contrary to Truth, they begin to re-arrange scripture to fit their error.

We SEE this all the time........

 

[David in NJ]

Hi Doug,

So good to see someone else with that revelation of the Body of Christ. Where did you get it from?

Not from scripture

Good Morning @Marilyn C

 

[David in NJ]

What church......he was not included in the believing remnant of Israel and in fact persecuted it......he was on the way to Damascus to persecute when he was saved......Christ started the body of Christ with Paul's conversion

When did Christ "start" His Body?

 

[David in NJ]

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Paul here is not saying the church, the body of Christ, is the bride of Christ. Paul is using espousal to illustrate the faithfulness and purity of the church unto Christ Jesus.

[2Corinthians 11:3-4 KJV] 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

In the above verses Paul is admonishing the church for following other apostles and another gospel. He was exhorting them to remain faithful to Christ as they received him from Paul.

[Ephesians 5:23, 32 KJV] 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. ... 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

The relationship the church has with Christ is expressed by marriage. Christ is the head of the church just as the husband is head of the wife.

[Isaiah 62:4-5 KJV] 4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. 5 For [as] a young man marrieth a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee.

[Isaiah 54:5 KJV] 5 For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

[Hosea 2:19-20 KJV] 19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies. 20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

A number of verses express a marriage relationship with Israel as seen above.

[Revelation 21:2, 9-10 KJV] 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ... 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

The holy city, the new Jerusalem is described as being the bride, the lamb's wife; this is the bride of Christ, not the church, the body of Christ.

[Rev 21:12 KJV] 12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

The twelve tribes of Israel are written on the gates.

[Rev 21:14 KJV] 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The names of the twelve apostles of Israel are written in the foundations.

[Rev 21:24 KJV] 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Some Gentile nations will be saved to enter the kingdom on earth depending on how they treated Israel in the tribulation (Matthew 25:31-34); the nations that will enter the holy city will do so as a result of the ministry of the priesthood of believing Israel in the kingdom on earth (Zechariah 8:22-23 Exodus 19:6 Revelation 5:10 20:6).

@Doug

The very scriptures you posted PROVE that His Body is His Bride

 

[Doug]

So, would you deny that the ones who you say are "in Christ", but not "Christ's body", share in Christ's death and resurrection?

Good question
I dont know of any scripture that says they do, do you?

Look at these verses

[Rom 6:3 KJV] 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

We are baptized into his death

We are baptized into Christ by the Spirit

[1Co 12:13 KJV] 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The remnant didnt have the Spirit until after he was glorified

[Jhn 7:39 KJV] 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 

[David in NJ]

OK I just wanted to make sure you weren't objecting to the idea that they preached the same Gospel as a means of trying to preserve Israel--again, I don't really know what is motivating your insistence that they preached different Gospels.

Whenever a person holds a false teaching in their mind/heart they always begin to re-arrange and redefine scripture = always

 

[Doug]

The two are one and the same doctrine : "come together, it's not a sin anymore, Peter"; "there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile...".
Again, Paul rebuked Peter for not walking in accordance with THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL in Galatians 2... so, WHICH Gospel was Paul bringing Peter in line with? Peter's Gospel or Paul's Gospel? Why did they have the same Gospel if they don't have the same Gospel? LOL!

I dont see how you can say there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile.......what was revealed to Peter was that he shouldnt consider the Gentiles as being unclean

As to which gospel was "the truth of the gospel" I dont know

I have some thoughts on it but no certainty about it

Peter said that the Gentiles heard the word from Peter so he was preaching the gospel.........they decided not to burden the Gentiles with the law in Acts 15:28 with a few conditions

But Peter was separating himself from the Gentiles whom God said was clean and Peter was going back upholding the tradition of not eating with Gentiles

 

[Doug]

Peter didn't just preach Jesus was God's Son : Peter preached that Jesus was a miracle-worker, and was the Messiah they had been waiting for, but that they had crucified Him, but that God had raised Christ from the dead, and sat Him at God's right hand, and that they can be forgiven of their sins if they repent and receive water baptism, and they will receive the gift of the Spirit.

Peter preached faith in the name of Christ..........................
[Act 3:16 KJV] 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
[Act 4:12 KJV] 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John clarifies what believing on his name is......................
[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
[1Jo 5:13 KJV] 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

To believe on his name is to believe Jesus is Christ the Son of God, which he is

My point is if one says they all preached the same gospel and if you just believe Jesus is the Son of God, and thats al, thenl thats not the gospel we must beleieve to be saved

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

When did Christ "start" His Body?

Moot point.

The Body of Christ is a thing, so that's what we should focus on

 

[Doug]

Plus, Peter was preaching to a crowd on literally the same day he received the Spirit,

So Peter was not taught well enough by Jesus or empowered by the Spirit.....I know you dont mean that but rethink what you are saying

 

[Doug]

Both Peter (Acts 2:21) and Paul (Romans 10:13) preached salvation through calling on the Name of the LORD, citing literally the same verse of Scripture. Peter preached Christ's death and resurrection, as well--and "the blood" was preached when Peter references his crowd's having crucified God's Son.

[Joe 2:32 KJV] 32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Calling on the name of the Lord was directed to Israel

Peter preaching Christ crucified was an indictment against Israel not redemption

 

[Doug]

I don't really know what is motivating your insistence that they preached different Gospels.

Because they did
People could believe the wrong gospel and commandments if they dont understand the Bible

 

[amigo de christo]

One Fold is all under Christ not all in one group. If all God wanted was the Body of Christ He could have made it 6 centuries ago.

Mount Zion AND the city. Two parts to the heavenly Jerusalem.

Mount Zion - Christ`s seat of Power and authority (Ps. 2: 6) and where the Body of Christ will rule with Him. (Rev. 3: 21)

The City - the Old Testament Saints were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16)

according to WHOM is it TWO parts
Some teacher who obviously is stuck on some kind of doctrine of men .
You are correct , however that the OLD test saints were promised the CITY
EVEN abraham was
HE LOOKED for the RIGHT CITY . the ONE BUILT OF GOD and not of men .
The sheep looked for this promise
but many died IN FAITH not having recieved THIS PROMISE .
TO include EVERYONE who died BEFORE JESUS CAME . BUT THEY darn sure had faith IN THIS MESSIAH
AND HIS rebuilding of the tabernacle that had fallen .
Many sought the earthen
Some tried to even MAKE JESUS THIS KING over the earthen , by mistake of course .
BUT HIS KINGDOM JUST aint of this world .
HIS KINGDOM , THIS CITY , THIS MOUNT ZION , THIS ISRAEL OF GOD
THIS is not earthen . AND ITS high time folks stop looking
to the earthen , to the earthen fleshly jew or any man .
TIME to seek that which is heavenly . WHEREIN all who do beleive IN JESUS are THE PEOPLE OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
and all who reject him and beleive not , WELL they , whether jew or gentile , BE TRAPPED UNDER SATAN
who will not and cannot free them . LOOK to the heavenly .
SEEK that KINGDOM
and the simplicty of THE TRUTH will come . WE BEEN DUPED BY MEN and its BIBLE TIME in the building for us all .

 

[Doug]

We need the Holy Spirit to give us eyes to see, brother. Scripture says to lean not to our own understanding....but rely on the Holy Spirit. And that the natural man cannot perceive the things of God for they are spiritually discerned.

God speaks only in his word and only enlightens thru his word

 

[rebuilder 454]

[Joe 2:32 KJV] 32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Calling on the name of the Lord was directed to Israel

Peter preaching Christ crucified was an indictment against Israel not redemption

Thousands of Jews were saved in the early church.
Hyper pauline doctrine is circular.
What is written in the word is plainly written.

Hyper pauline teachers do what all error does.
Twist some...omit some....poooof...we are right.!!!!

 

[Doug]

I'm afraid you are dangerously deceived.

"Now we know no man after the flesh any longer." There is no longer Jew or Gentile as far as God is concerned really, there are only the saved or the lost, which Jew/Gentile were allegories (ensamples) for in the first place. But I am not expecting you will have ears to hear the truth unfortunately.

The verses I gave clearly say what they say and arent the same gospel as Paul's
They were to believed by Israel but in this dispensation we are to believe Paul

 

[David in NJ]

Moot point.

The Body of Christ is a thing, so that's what we should focus on

the Body of Christ are people

 

[rebuilder 454]

God speaks only in his word and only enlightens thru his word

Nope.
God is speaking constantly to his own. Those sold out ones.

Speaking things like what to buy, what direction to take, when to make a move to another city, how to eat properly, when a false doctrine stinks, where to look to see false opinions exposed in his written word, what friends to jettison, ...and on and on.

Holy Spirit illuminating the word and my every decision .
IOW....the spirit actually PRECEDES the written word.

This is illustrated in the failure of the pharisees.
They were EXPERTS in the letter, and COMPLETE FAILURE in the Spirit.
Hyper pauline doctrine is a MENTAL doctrine. No discernment.

 

[Doug]

...all of them preached salvation through Jesus.
Your hyper Paul teachers have lied to you big time!!!!

Yes they all did
Paul preached Christ from the law and the prophets BUT als the mystery revealed to him by Christ

[Rom 16:25-26 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: