When someone is not content to rely on God`s word they resort to ridiculing the other person. Not good.You thought God is going to move Heaven to Uranus?
THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
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GracePeace
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@Doug Another user observed...
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
There is only one faith, not two--which explains how Paul could correct Peter, who was not walking in step with "the truth of the Gospel", and brought him back in line with that one faith. They were both subject to the one Gospel, the one faith.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
There is only one faith, not two--which explains how Paul could correct Peter, who was not walking in step with "the truth of the Gospel", and brought him back in line with that one faith. They were both subject to the one Gospel, the one faith.
Marvelloustime
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Marvelloustime
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It is true that the OT saints didn't receive what was promised to them (while alive on earth) as it says in Heb. 11:39 - the promised Holy Spirit and ability to come boldly to the throne of grace/holy of holies, because it could only be received and entered through the new covenant in Christ who came later. But they did receive it after death when Jesus died and went and preached the gospel to them. It's the same promise that God made to them that is promised to us.......the promised Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, by which the church receives salvation, the inheritance of an eternal dwelling - an eternal "city" and eternal life for all who believe/receive Him, as well as the ability to walk in it now in this life.
Israel did fulfill her purpose in the fullness of time, which had been kept hid from the foundation of the world, and it was no small thing. Salvation is of the Jews. She brought forth the Messiah/Saviour. And all the things written in scripture for them, about them, and by them are for our profit...... "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".
Rom 3:1-4
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Ruling with Christ didn't come with the old covenant, that's all. But they did receive the full inheritance and were made perfect/complete after death, as I mentioned in my previous post.
And in Ps 87:5 we see that the mother of us all is Zion so the city and Zion are the same thing. God often uses more than one allegory to represent the same thing. If we want to splice and dice it more finely it could be said that Zion is the Holy Spirit and the city is lifted up and set upon and carried by the Holy Spirit in a manner of speaking. We are begotten and born of the Spirit, who gives us the ability to walk in high places of God/Spirit...."He has raised us up with Him and seated us in heavenly places" (Eph.2) I think another reason for the allegory of a mount, is to compare and contrast Mt. Zion, the giving of the Holy Spirit, with Mt. Sinai and the giving of the Law.
Psa 87:5-7
And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.
As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.
Gal 4:26
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Paul had more revelation concerning the Gentiles having a part in the new covenant, I think especially since after the Jews rejected his preaching, he became "apostle to the Gentiles" and began reaching out mainly to them.
I think I can help with this sister. Two witnesses. Scripture says to "let every word be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses". God wanted two or three witnesses to establish the truth of the gospel and Jesus Christ....Jew, Gentile and the Holy Spirit.
Big Boy Johnson
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What does God's teach about those that cannot take a joke?
Where do you claim God is going to move Heaven to???
Revelation 21:1-27
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true
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[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
In saying this present time he was talking about at the time he was writing Romans
You said..................So, would you deny that the ones who you say are "in Christ", but not "Christ's body", share in Christ's death and resurrection?
But they are in the body in Romans 7
[Rom 10:1 KJV] 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Paul in Romans 10 was talking about Israel
[Rom 10:12-13 KJV] 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The Gentiles in v12 are the Gentiles that believed the preaching of {eter and the disciples and are in the remnant of Israel
We are talking about why it would be sinful for Peter to eat with Gentiles Numbers says nothing about not eating with Gentiles.......could be a tradition but not in the law
[Heb 8:7 KJV] 7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
He will establish a new covenant
[Heb 8:10 KJV] 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
He did not do away with the law
This was not the body church this was the church of the believing remnant of Israel which Paul persecuted
[Phl 1:27 KJV] 27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
It is the faith of the gospel.....there is only one gospel in this dispensation which is found in Paul's epistles
The gospel preached by Peter and the gospel preached by Paul both centered on faith in Christ
amigo de christo
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As i often say MANY SURE DARN HAVE done all to try and turn JESUS into the minstir of sin .
WAIL and wail loudly they will on the day of the LORD .
The first covenant God set up was in no way wrong or evil .
IT was for finding FAULT with THEM .
HUGE difference between Looking to the works of the law to justify or save us
VERSES having the LOVE for TRUTH , FOR GOD , FOR HIS WORDS upon our hearts .
WHAT MANY MANY MANY desire to believe is
WE gots us a love god that accepts our sins and even hates the GOD of the old test .
Many even pit JESUS against GOD of the old test .
Behaving as though JESUS came to CHANGE THE FATHERS MIND about what is sin and what is not sin
what is acceptable and etc . I SEE A KORAN Kissing jesus getting preached today .
I see a jesus that holds rainbows getting preached today
I see a jesus THAT WOULD HAVE HATED THE TRUE GOD AND HIS CHRIST
and GOODNESS i see a ton of folks WHO LOVE that jesus , that god and that love that
always hollers judge not when one comes to correct sinful behavoir
And to IT the only sin is what it calls hate , what it calls judgmental ,
AND BUD what it calls hate is actually love . FOR THOU shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart
you shall in any way CORRECT HIM and NOT ALLOW SIN upon him .
But satan says to those who do love and dont hate and thus do correct error and sin
OH STOP HATING , STOP JUDGING
and about the only thing He and his men DO JUDGE , DO HATE , DO CORRECT
IS THE TRUTH , IS the saints . This generation would have KICKED JESUS RIGHT OUT of its churches
This generation would have run every last apostel out of their churches .
WITH these words as they cast them out , AWAY with thee haters
and judgers and non lovers , yall need jesus , yall need love . MIND YOU i said THEY WOULD
actually HAVE SAID THIS TO THE REAL JESUS and the true apostels . NOT LOOKING GOOD at all these days .
GracePeace
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Yeah, God is doing something today, and that thing is that God is saving a small portion (in those days, it was 7000) of Israel. Paul is part of that small portion.
GracePeace
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Paul says "when we WERE in the flesh" (Ro 7:5). Why does he say, of himself and his audience, "WERE in the flesh" if what he meant was "now we're not in bodies anymore"? Why does he say, of believers, "you are not in the flesh but in the spirit" (Ro 8:9)?
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