THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[Fred J]

Hopefully at some point you will investigate tge patriarchs in paradise who recieved the gospel message after Jesus was crucified and descended to hades.
Paradise being adjacent to hades.
Those same patriarchs were RESSURRECTED ALONG WITH Jesus.
They are in heaven now as FIRSTFRUITS of the first resurrection.
Jesus also being firstfruits....OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

No!

When Christ was in the heart of the earth, He went and ministered to the spirits bound in chain during the days of Noah.

Read carefully, they are not human patriarchs of Israel, but rebelled angels who left their positions in Heaven and came down to marry the daughters of human men. Their offsprings are the cause of the atrocities and innocent death on earth, until GOD had to bring the flood.

Angels are all ministering 'spirits', .............................. (Hebrews 1:14)

Other reply of yours am not going to respond, for it equally show of an unlearned and unstable demeanour which even tire Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hopefully at some point you will investigate tge patriarchs in paradise who recieved the gospel message after Jesus was crucified and descended to hades.
Paradise being adjacent to hades.
Those same patriarchs were RESSURRECTED ALONG WITH Jesus.
They are in heaven now as FIRSTFRUITS of the first resurrection.
Jesus also being firstfruits....OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

Yes they are with Christ in heaven.
They were in Abraham's bosom 'paradise', a place of good things and were ministered to by angels.

Luke 16

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 23
42 Then he said [a]to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

And so we can know where Jesus went when He died.
He had not yet ascended back into heaven.

John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

Ephesians 4

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”

9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

Typically in scripture, the place of the dead, the pit, all of that is thought of as in the earth, below our feet.
The place where in the OT, all people went at death.
But it was divided with a great gulf of separation
And it was not heaven.
Some have claimed Jesus ascended into heaven when He died, but that is impossible according to the scriptures.

Jesus tells us where He was, as did Peter.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes they are with Christ in heaven.
They were in Abraham's bosom 'paradise', a place of good things and were ministered to by angels.

Luke 16

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 23
42 Then he said [a]to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

And so we can know where Jesus went when He died.
He had not yet ascended back into heaven.

John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

Ephesians 4

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”

9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

Typically in scripture, the place of the dead, the pit, all of that is thought of as in the earth, below our feet.
The place where in the OT, all people went at death.
But it was divided with a great gulf of separation
And it was not heaven.
Some have claimed Jesus ascended into heaven when He died, but that is impossible according to the scriptures.

Jesus tells us where He was, as did Peter.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Yes i totally agree

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes i totally agree

The angels carried Lazarus to Abrahams's bosom where he received good things ministered to by God's angels. God takes care of all His people, in life, in death and in heaven.
But in this life, we sometimes have to suffer persecutions and tribulations, they prove our faith genuine.

Hebrews 1:13-14

New King James Version

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13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
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Acts 14:22
strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”


1 Peter 1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

A Heavenly Inheritance​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance [b]incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been [c]grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not [d]seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

 

[ScottA]

In keeping with what you keep claiming about the flesh, spiritualizing everything is equally a serious problem in interpretation. There's the flesh and then there's the hyper-spiritualization of everything whereby one can make it say whatever they want, just like allegorizing.

Whether you like it or not, the Lord is still not finished with Israel (the flesh, genetic). Kicking against that rock will only mash your own toes.

BTW

Those who speak against spiritualizing, speak against God.

God is spirit, and is "spiritualizing" all who are born of Him.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Those who speak against spiritualizing, speak against God.

God is spirit, and is "spiritualizing" all who are born of Him.

Where are you getting all these cliche's? Spiritualizing the word of God at every point and turn is nothing but subjunctivizing it.

BTW

 

[ScottA]

Where are you getting all these cliche's? Spiritualizing the word of God at every point and turn is nothing but subjunctivizing it.

BTW

Oh, you mean, like speaking in parables?

It's a Family tradition.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Oh, you mean, like speaking in parables?

It's a Family tradition.

Over-spiritualizing is what I've always gotten from Charismatics who like making the scriptures out to say whatever they want to hear from them. Parables were fine for the Lord to speak for the purposes He stated. People trying to fancy themselves as master of parables in modern conversations...foolishness. They are impressing only themselves. Fleshly pride, in all its manifestations, is ugly.

MM

 

[ScottA]

Over-spiritualizing is what I've always gotten from Charismatics who like making the scriptures out to say whatever they want to hear from them. Parables were fine for the Lord to speak for the purposes He stated. People trying to fancy themselves as master of parables in modern conversations...foolishness. They are impressing only themselves. Fleshly pride, in all its manifestations, is ugly.

MM

You just offended many biblical characters--and God Himself.

While it is true that there is a great deal of phony, would-be spiritualization, to take away all categorically was the cause of Woe from Christ against the lawyers. To the contrary, we are to hear what the spirit says by whatever means.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

You just offended many biblical characters--and God Himself.

While it is true that there is a great deal of phony, would-be spiritualization, to take away all categorically was the cause of Woe from Christ against the lawyers. To the contrary, we are to hear what the spirit says by whatever means.

Wow. Sounds like you fancy yourself the authority over the Patriarchs and the Lord Himself as to their being offended or not.

Hope you don't mind it that I won't be bowing down to you.

BTW

 

[ScottA]

Wow. Sounds like you fancy yourself the authority over the Patriarchs and the Lord Himself as to their being offended or not.

Hope you don't mind it that I won't be bowing down to you.

BTW

Wow indeed, such a fight you make against the Spirit!

So shall it be written.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Wow indeed, such a fight you make against the Spirit!

So shall it be written.

That's a movie play. Yes, I saw that years ago.

The fight isn't against the Spirit of the Lord, it's against the falsehoods you have tried to spew as biblical truth.

BTW

 

[ScottA]

That's a movie play. Yes, I saw that years ago.

The fight isn't against the Spirit of the Lord, it's against the falsehoods you have tried to spew as biblical truth.

BTW

Be clear, on what do you base your accusation? Are you sent from God, or is it something less?

 

[Lizbeth]

Not really. Israel will once again be raised up by the Lord who chose us, to serve His purposes in the Millennium and the New Earth. Those purposes will not involve an inclusion of Gentiles, although Israel and Gentiles will live together on the New Earth. The body of Christ, however, will be in the Heavenlies.

BTW

Box 2Co 5:16-17

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Gal 6:15

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.



Gal 3:26

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.