The context of John 3:5

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3 reasons favor the interpretation that "born of water and the Spirit" in John 3:5 means "water baptism" and an accompanying experience of the regenerating Spirit:
(1) You can come up with no example from the NT era of water as a reference to amniotic fluid.

Nonsense! The entire context is speaking of going back into a mother's womb and being re-born! Jesus answered the question that way!
Being born of water and being born of the Spirit are two different things. Water does not birth you with the Spirit.

Fact: Nowhere in all of Scripture is it said that anyone was immersed in the Spirit! The symbol and the substance of the Holy Spirit is always sprinkling and pouring. You probably were not baptized right, because the symbolism must be like the substance!

(2) Being born of water and the Spirit is a condition for entering the kingdom of God. Amniotic fluid has nothing to do with spirituality. But on the other hand, Peter teaches that baptism saves you (1 Peter 3:19).

True! Jesus said that which is flesh is flesh.... yet another fact is revealed.... you cannot be saved unless you were actually born! We must be "Born-AGAIN, this time spiritually!

(3) In Galatians 3:37, 29 Paul uses new birth imagery to explain what happens to the newly baptized. He teaches that "as many of you as have been baptized into Christ...have become Abraham's offspring" by faith.

Evangelicals wish Peter had never claimed that baptism saves, but Peter is merely reflecting what Jesus taught in John 3:5. Exactly in what sense baptism saves you is the subject for another thread.

Peter is not referring to John 3:5 in the least! Look at the example Peter says that Baptism is a FIGURE, not a REALITY, and that those in the Ark were saved by water. But notice a fact! Those an the Ark were never immersed, but everyone outside of the Ark was!

Galatians 3:27 and 29 do not have a drop of water in them! It is speaking a spiritual baptism by the Spirit. Water cannot put you into Christ.
 
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Baptism!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Matt 28:19 ( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)

Mk 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mark 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)


John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)


Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?


37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.


Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Romans 6:3

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


1 Corinthians 12:13

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


Galatians 3:27

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)


1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

I personally find nothing more arrogant than a new person who joins this site and just floods a thread with verses ...WE ALL HAVE BIBLES ..thanks you ...

You are not the first to come here and do that...neither will you be the last . :rolleyes:
 
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Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Water and the spirit! Baptism!
 

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Sorry no offense intended!
But I don’t think most people have heard of baptism in the OT
 

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Many, many people have been on this site posting what you keep post,.. its nothing new.
 
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3 reasons favor the interpretation that "born of water and the Spirit" in John 3:5 means "water baptism" and an accompanying experience of the regenerating Spirit:
(1) You can come up with no example from the NT era of water as a reference to amniotic fluid.
(2) Being born of water and the Spirit is a condition for entering the kingdom of God. Amniotic fluid has nothing to do with spirituality. But on the other hand, Peter teaches that baptism saves you (1 Peter 3:19).
(3) In Galatians 3:37, 29 Paul uses new birth imagery to explain what happens to the newly baptized. He teaches that "as many of you as have been baptized into Christ...have become Abraham's offspring" by faith.

Evangelicals wish Peter had never claimed that baptism saves, but Peter is merely reflecting what Jesus taught in John 3:5. Exactly in what sense baptism saves you is the subject for another thread.

All Body's Shall Die.
*(Jesus brought a better Testament;
BY and through Him, a man crucified with Christ, would be Accounted Dead, yet though his Body lives, He would Spiritually Live IN Christ's Risen, Living Body.)

...UN-like OT men, whose option was Physical Death, wait and see if you are Accounted to be Risen in Glory.

* A man who gives his life, (his blood life/Body, Crucified With Christ... The Lords BLOOD "Cleanses" the man's Body.

...UN-Like OT men who purified their body's with water.

...UN-Like John the Baptist, who was washing sins away with Water.

...UN- Like the Flood that washed the Earth that had become filled with Corruption.

Jesus' BLOOD, cleansed me, FOR forgiveness of All sin. It is sufficient!

Matt 26:
[28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
1 John 1
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

There is an Order to All things God has Prepared...
Hear, Learn, Believe, Trust;
Repent,
Declare; Heartfull Belief <--- THAT is what Saves a man's Soul.
(The Salvation of the Soul IS Restoring the man's Soul BACK to Good, as it was the Day God blew His Breath into the man).

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit...
Is the Lord Spirit Entering a man Heart...
But oops...man's heart is corrupt...filled with confounded natural truths in his Natural spirit...
Condunrum...
No worry, God provides.
(OT men...Circumcised their foreskin, a part of their life they gave as their Agreement to Gods Covenant)
NT, Christ's Covenant...He Circumcises the heart of a man.
Yeah, the old Cut off.
Gives the man New Heart...whew...
* Now the Spirit of God can Enter into a new, uncorrupted place IN the man. <---
The man has Just Been Baptized in and with the Spirit of....Truth.
* in the man's new heart ...Gods Spirit Plants, "HIS SEED"...
Out from THAT SEED of God...is BORN a man's "reborn spirit" (a new Truth in his Heart, which IS the spirit of man.)
* Bingo...that is the Moment the man IS Born Again.

* The power, the seed, the Truth, the word, the Light, the quickening spirit, the Savior, the wisdom, the forgiver, the Redeemer, the Life, the Judge, the head of His Church...
^^^^^^^^ all Christ the Lord Jesus.

He is the ONLY Way.

Born of Water...yep I was Naturally Born, from a man's seed, from my mother's Womb...without a natural Life, there can be No Death. Without a Death, a man cannot be Born Again... in the spirit.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Why did you quote me if you weren't going to address the points in my post?
 

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Thank you. No offense to our new member, but seeing that many individual verses lifted out of their surrounding contexts was enough to make me a little dizzy. It's like when those Japanese su chefs throw vegetables up in the air, and little bits and pieces of them go flying all over the place.
Love the imagery, lol! I appreciate your civility. I hope to learn from it! :)
 

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Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit not by the spirit alone!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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Context of “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...

You realize there are many other threads debating this issue, right? Sorry if this bursts your bubble, and welcome to the forum! :)
 

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Love the imagery, lol! I appreciate your civility. I hope to learn from it! :)

I try to avoid conflict as much as possible. You never know when things might go wrong.


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Im sure they did. I like my fully-equipped kitchen!
@Prayer Warrior This is why admire the well-manicured Christian ladies who, accustomed to gadgets and web recipes and well stocked supermarkets and regular hair and makeover sessions, are prepared to go overseas as missionaries in often primitive conditions where daily life may exist at a much more basic level.
 
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