The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

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Spiritual Israelite

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The phrase “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history (Isaiah 7:18-25) and is often closely associated with the phrase “that day.”
Can you show me this? I don't see any reference to the day of the Lord in Isaiah 7:18-25. What about what is written in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 where the day of the Lord is portrayed as an event that will come suddenly and unexpectedly in relation to Jesus coming as a thief in the night? How does that fit with your understanding of the day of the Lord?

One key to understanding these phrases is to note that they always identify a span of time during which God personally intervenes in history, directly or indirectly, to accomplish some specific aspect of His plan....ref Got Questions.
How are you coming to that conclusion exactly?
 

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where the day of the Lord is portrayed as an event that will come suddenly and unexpectedly in relation to Jesus coming as a thief in the night?
This is the resurrection/rapture.
Jesus comes like a thief in the night..like the days of Noah and Lot when no one expecting those catastrophic events.
 

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This is the resurrection/rapture.
Jesus comes like a thief in the night..like the days of Noah and Lot when no one expecting those catastrophic events.
Yes, I agree that the resurrection and rapture will occur when Jesus comes like a thief in the night and that it will be like when the flood came and destroyed all who were not on the ark in Noah's day and when the fire came and destroyed those who were left in Sodom in Lot's day.

So, what I'm asking you to do is tell me how that lines up with your understanding of Zechariah 14. Did any unbelievers survive the flood of Noah's day? No, right? And no one in Sodom survived. So, what does that mean in relation to the day of the Lord (the day of the resurrection/rapture) that will bring unexpected and "sudden destruction" by fire upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12)? Do you think any mortals will survive that event?
 
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Yes, I agree that the resurrection and rapture will occur when Jesus comes like a thief in the night and that it will be like when the flood came and destroyed all who were not on the ark in Noah's day and when the fire came and destroyed those who were left in Sodom in Lot's day.

So, what I'm asking you to do is tell me how that lines up with your understanding of Zechariah 14. Did any unbelievers survive the flood of Noah's day? No, right? And no one in Sodom survived. So, what does that mean in relation to the day of the Lord (the day of the resurrection/rapture) that will bring unexpected and "sudden destruction" by fire upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12)? Do you think any mortals will survive that event?
Lot and Noah are references to the "thief in the night pre-trib rapture". This ushers in the 7 year tribulation.
Jesus quote about Noah and Lot refer to a time of normality...when things are going "well". That's when Jesus comes in the clouds.
By the time of the end of the tribulation things will not be well when you say the ONLY return of Jesus will occur.
 

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Lot and Noah are references to the "thief in the night pre-trib rapture".
So, your understanding of the "trib" part of "pre-trib" is God's wrath, right? Because what happened after Noah entered the ark was God's wrath upon everyone outside the ark and what happened after Lot went out of Sodom was God's wrath upon Sodom.

This ushers in the 7 year tribulation.
I don't understand this line of reasoning. What happened after Noah went on the ark and Lot left Sodom? Jesus said the same day Noah entered the ark, all outside the ark were destroyed. He said the same day Lot went out of Sodom, fire and brimstone came down and destroyed Sodom. How does that correlate with a 7 year time period of tribulation?

Read Luke 17:26-37. Let's assume the ones taken are those who are taken up to meet the Lord in the air. What does Jesus indicate will happen to those who are left? That they will survive and go through a years long time period of tribulation? No. He indicates that they will end up as bird food (Luke 17:37). That correlates with His comparisons to the days of Noah and the days of Lot when those who were left outside the ark and inside Sodom were all killed.
 
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The day of the Lord is a period of time. Right???

Yes, I believe it is a period of time that began when Christ came to earth a man. The prophets write of this coming period of time as "the day of the LORD" that was to come. This period of time that Christ ushered in with His first coming has an end, and that too in the New Testament is called "the day of the Lord". The apostles write of this last day of the Lord that will be when Christ comes again as the day of the Lord that is coming, just as the Old Covenant Prophets also wrote of a future coming.

What many seem not to understand is that when Christ came to earth in His age/time/day He came with the Kingdom of God that is NOT and will never be a physical kingdom upon THIS earth. The Kingdom of God that Christ came to earth with is the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God from heaven. Since Christ ushered in not a literal/physical Kingdom, but a spiritual Kingdom that can only be known and entered when man is born again of the Spirit, it is imperative for proper understanding to discern the Prophets of Old through SPIRITUAL and not always literal/physical fulfillment when Christ came to earth in His day.

In reading passages such as Zechariah 14 telling us in the day that the LORD comes, ALL nations, not only the Roman nation, but all nations will gather to battle against Jerusalem: "Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city." We cannot read this passage rightly without understanding that Zechariah is not only speaking of what shall physically befall the Holy City of Old Jerusalem, but the prophet goes beyond the literal physical destruction and speaks of spiritual fulfillment. Otherwise, Zecharish would not have written that ALL NATIONS would battle against Jerusalem.

What Jerusalem has all nations in spiritual power come against beginning with the first century of the New Covenant that continues to this day? I believe Zechariah is speaking of the Holy City that Christ came with. The city the New Testament writes is Jerusalem from above, the heavenly Jerusalem that believers enter into when we have been born again. Mt Zion, the city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem. When we have been born again of Christ's Spirit, we are spirits of just men made perfect, spiritually in heaven in the company of innumerable angels of God.

Hebrews 12:22 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hebrews 12:23 (KJV) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Zechariah writes the LORD that shall come will and is fighting against those nations for His people. Though the Lord's feet literally stood on the Mount of Olives, the prophecy is to be understood as having been spiritually fulfilled during Christ's first advent. While the Bible does not use the exact phrase “Mountain of God” for the Mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:4 and related passages identify it as the place where the Lord will stand in glory, making it a “mountain of God” in a prophetic and symbolic sense. I believe the words of Zechariah convey in imagery/shadow the assurance that believers would be provided a way to escape. Jewish Christians after being indwelt with the Spirit of Christ remembered what Christ had said to do when they see/know/understand the abomination of desolation through spiritual idolatry/apostasy had brought the city and temple to spiritual ruin, and that they should flee to the mountains. Which they did after Pentecost. They did not wait around for thirty years to see and experience the Roman Army that physically destroyed the city and temple.

Zechariah 14:4 (KJV) And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

We should not still be waiting for Zechariah's prophecy to come when Christ comes again. Clearly, when He comes again Christ will no longer be fighting for every believer. When He comes again it will be to gather us all together to meet with Him in the air when we will be changed from mortal to immortal and then comes the great white throne judgment for the DEAD.