The Covenant of Redemption

[Netchaplain]

Is the Covenant of Redemption a thing! Yes, and God is a bit mysterious concerning this one, for it is the one that is for those, whom, created after His image, are also after His “good pleasure” (Phl 2:13). These are they who are more precious to God than the angels; for man is the sole being who is after the image of God!

The present covenant of which the Christian is a recipient is a Covenant between the Father and His Son, in that the Father sacrificed the Son and raised Him from the dead after expiating the sins of the Christian (Heb 13:20, 21; Act 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40, 41; 13:30; 17:31; Rom 1:4; 4:24; 25; 8:11; 1Co 6:14, 15; 2Co 4:14; Gal 1:1; Eph 1:20; Col 2:12; 1Th 1:10; 1Pe 1:21).

In every covenant there is a benefactor and a beneficiary. If you’re in a covenant with God, He is the Benefactor, and you are the beneficiary; and you must be morally good to receive blessing; and not having a new nature presents the possibility of one returning to the “old man.” Being recipients of the Covenant between the Father and the Son we, by the Spirit using the new nature, are made to be good, so that there is no possible chance of returning to the “old man” (Phl 2:13). In the present Covenant the Benefactors are the Father and the Son, and the beneficiaries are the Christians!

We see the covenant language between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Lev 26:42), but there is no such language concerning the covenant with Christians. Just, "This is My body which is given for you," and "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luk 22:19, 20); and that's all that’s necessary! No covenant between God and Christians, for He desired believers to be assured of desiring and doing His good pleasure.

There will be a New Covenant between God and the Israelites who “believe in God” (Jn 14:1) during the Millennium, after they finally see the Lord Jesus (Jer 31:31 Eze 36:24-28). I say finally, because “Jews require a sign” (Jhn 2:18; 1Co 1:22); and because Israel will not “believe” until they see Him, they forfeit the “blessing” of being in the Son-ship of Christ (Jn 20:29). Thus, they will remain a “people of God” (Heb 8:10); and Christians will be a people of God—but also sons and daughters of God, and “kings and priests” (Rev 21:3; 1:6; 5:10).



Note: I realize this is not plainly taught in Scripture, thus it is an inference; but it is a doctrine that I believe is not just theory but true, and I find it to be the most encouraging of all doctrines, it being the primary reason for creation.

 

[Charlie24]

Is the Covenant of Redemption a thing! Yes, and God is a bit mysterious concerning this one, for it is the one that is for those, whom, created after His image, are also after His “good pleasure” (Phl 2:13). These are they who are more precious to God than the angels; for man is the sole being who is after the image of God!

The present covenant of which the Christian is a recipient is a Covenant between the Father and His Son, in that the Father sacrificed the Son and raised Him from the dead after expiating the sins of the Christian (Heb 13:20, 21; Act 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40, 41; 13:30; 17:31; Rom 1:4; 4:24; 25; 8:11; 1Co 6:14, 15; 2Co 4:14; Gal 1:1; Eph 1:20; Col 2:12; 1Th 1:10; 1Pe 1:21).

In every covenant there is a benefactor and a beneficiary. If you’re in a covenant with God, He is the Benefactor, and you are the beneficiary; and you must be morally good to receive blessing; and not having a new nature presents the possibility of one returning to the “old man.” Being recipients of the Covenant between the Father and the Son we, by the Spirit using the new nature, are made to be good, so that there is no possible chance of returning to the “old man” (Phl 2:13). In the present Covenant the Benefactors are the Father and the Son, and the beneficiaries are the Christians!

We see the covenant language between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Lev 26:42), but there is no such language concerning the covenant with Christians. Just, "This is My body which is given for you," and "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luk 22:19, 20); and that's all that’s necessary! No covenant between God and Christians, for He desired believers to be assured of desiring and doing His good pleasure.

There will be a New Covenant between God and the Israelites who “believe in God” (Jn 14:1) during the Millennium, after they finally see the Lord Jesus (Jer 31:31 Eze 36:24-28). I say finally, because “Jews require a sign” (Jhn 2:18; 1Co 1:22); and because Israel will not “believe” until they see Him, they forfeit the “blessing” of being in the Son-ship of Christ (Jn 20:29). Thus, they will remain a “people of God” (Heb 8:10); and Christians will be a people of God—but also sons and daughters of God, and “kings and priests” (Rev 21:3; 1:6; 5:10).



Note: I realize this is not plainly taught in Scripture, thus it is an inference; but it is a doctrine that I believe is not just theory but true, and I find it to be the most encouraging of all doctrines, it being the primary reason for creation.

The covenant you're speaking of is the New Covenant in Christ's blood! It is a covenant between God the Father and God the Son.

This is the only way it can be an "everlasting covenant" because this covenant is not made with man as the first, this covenant is between God the Father and the Man Christ Jesus! It will never be broken as the first.

The redemption you speak of in this covenant, is in Christ's blood as He told us. There is no 3rd covenant, there is no explanation for a 3rd covenant in Scripture because it doesn't exist. Every covenant in Scripture states who that covenant is with and why. This 3rd covenant is an invention by man.

The New Covenant is pictured in the olive tree as Paul gave illustration in Rom. 11. The olive tree is the remnant of Israel. God has always had a remnant in Israel and at this very moment has a remnant in Israel.

Paul goes on to tell us the Church/Gentiles are the "wild olive branches" that are grafted into the natural olive tree. If you notice, the "wild olive branches' who are the Church, are inferior to the "natural branches" who are Israel. Why are the we inferior to Israel in this New Covenant?

Rom. 3:1-2
"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God."

The original promises of God were to Israel, not the Church. As Paul said here they have an advantage, they were given the Law, which are the "oracles of God" and not only this, Israel was also made the womb of the Christ.

This was given to Israel and only Israel for them to introduce Christ to the world. When they failed in this calling, the Church was built by Christ to take on the task of evangelizing Christ to the world. The Church has temporarily replaced Israel in this calling.

We the Church must realize we are God's 2nd choice, we were not given the original promises as Israel, but are made partakers with Israel by being grafted in. The inferior branches into the natural olive tree/Israel.

Concerning Israel, God said that His callings and gifts are not subject to change. In other words, Israel will fulfill their original calling. The New Covenant is with them and is in force right now with His remnant.

This 3 covenant thing is a huge mistake, but if you want to believe it and set the Church in a setting that God has not ordained, then that is between you and God.

 

[Charlie24]

Is the Covenant of Redemption a thing! Yes, and God is a bit mysterious concerning this one, for it is the one that is for those, whom, created after His image, are also after His “good pleasure” (Phl 2:13). These are they who are more precious to God than the angels; for man is the sole being who is after the image of God!

The present covenant of which the Christian is a recipient is a Covenant between the Father and His Son, in that the Father sacrificed the Son and raised Him from the dead after expiating the sins of the Christian (Heb 13:20, 21; Act 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40, 41; 13:30; 17:31; Rom 1:4; 4:24; 25; 8:11; 1Co 6:14, 15; 2Co 4:14; Gal 1:1; Eph 1:20; Col 2:12; 1Th 1:10; 1Pe 1:21).

In every covenant there is a benefactor and a beneficiary. If you’re in a covenant with God, He is the Benefactor, and you are the beneficiary; and you must be morally good to receive blessing; and not having a new nature presents the possibility of one returning to the “old man.” Being recipients of the Covenant between the Father and the Son we, by the Spirit using the new nature, are made to be good, so that there is no possible chance of returning to the “old man” (Phl 2:13). In the present Covenant the Benefactors are the Father and the Son, and the beneficiaries are the Christians!

We see the covenant language between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Lev 26:42), but there is no such language concerning the covenant with Christians. Just, "This is My body which is given for you," and "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luk 22:19, 20); and that's all that’s necessary! No covenant between God and Christians, for He desired believers to be assured of desiring and doing His good pleasure.

There will be a New Covenant between God and the Israelites who “believe in God” (Jn 14:1) during the Millennium, after they finally see the Lord Jesus (Jer 31:31 Eze 36:24-28). I say finally, because “Jews require a sign” (Jhn 2:18; 1Co 1:22); and because Israel will not “believe” until they see Him, they forfeit the “blessing” of being in the Son-ship of Christ (Jn 20:29). Thus, they will remain a “people of God” (Heb 8:10); and Christians will be a people of God—but also sons and daughters of God, and “kings and priests” (Rev 21:3; 1:6; 5:10).



Note: I realize this is not plainly taught in Scripture, thus it is an inference; but it is a doctrine that I believe is not just theory but true, and I find it to be the most encouraging of all doctrines, it being the primary reason for creation.

I'm not familiar with what you believe, Netchaplain, I would assume you are a Calvinist. This 3rd covenant is the invention of Calvinism. It goes back to before the foundation of the world when the Godhead had consultation on the redemptive work that Christ would do. This 3rd covenant is where TULIP is placed.

I know what I'm talking about, been down this road before. This so called 3rd covenant is where the election of Grace was formed, God electing who would be saved in that divine consultation, in other words, Calvin's theory of predestination.

This covenant and what it stands for denies the free will of man, whether you know that or not! I believe that man is totally depraved and cannot seek out God. But at the same time I believe that when that depraved man hears the Gospel the Holy Spirit opens the eyes of the hearer and makes Christ known in the heart, He convicts of sin, making it also known that man needs a Saviour. When this happens man must make a choice to accept that calling or reject it.

This is what Calvinism rejects by the invention of this 3rd covenant! They claim man has no say in His salvation, it is totally the choice of God. I say this is borderline blasphemy. It is rejecting the true work and purpose of the Holy Spirit in God's plan of redemption.

 

[Netchaplain]

There is no 3rd covenant, there is no explanation for a 3rd covenant in Scripture because it doesn't exist. Every covenant in Scripture states who that covenant is with and why. This 3rd covenant is an invention by man.

Hi, and thanks for your reply! The New Covenant is not yet made with Israel (Jer 31:31), and don't forget this covenant will be made with man; the present and eternal Covenant of the Christian is not made with man!

 

[Charlie24]

Hi, and thanks for your reply! The New Covenant is not yet made with Israel (Jer 31:31), and don't forget this covenant will be made with man; the present and eternal Covenant of the Christian is not made with man!

It's true that Israel as a nation is not in covenant now, they come into the New Covenant at the Second Coming.

The remnant of Israel who are in Christ now, they are the olive tree that Paul spoke of in Rom. 11.

They are in Covenant with God at this very moment, and we the Church are being grafted into that olive tree.

The covenant of redemption that the Calvinists insist on is nothing more than the New Covenant itself.

 

[Netchaplain]

The remnant of Israel who are in Christ now, they are the olive tree that Paul spoke of in Rom. 11.

They are in Covenant with God at this very moment, and we the Church are being grafted into that olive tree.

Hi, and appreciates your reply. It's my understanding that the Church is not considered as Gentiles and Jews (remnant of Israel), but Christians. This is the Covenant we are referring to between the Father and the Son. The majority of the Jews will not believe in Christ until they see Him, hence the term "remnant" for the few who have believed.

There is yet a new covenant awaiting the Jews who believe in God but not Christ (Jer 31:31; Eze 36:27). Some attempt to relate these as Christians but the language is strictly Jewish. These will not inherit heaven but the earth, for to inherit heaven you must believe in Christ.

 

[marks]

We see the covenant language between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Lev 26:42), but there is no such language concerning the covenant with Christians. Just, "This is My body which is given for you," and "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luk 22:19, 20); and that's all that’s necessary! No covenant between God and Christians, for He desired believers to be assured of desiring and doing His good pleasure.

I see the exact same thing. There is a very detailed and comprehensive new covenant for Israel. And in the current time, we are redeemed through Jesus' death.

Much love!

 

[Netchaplain]

I see the exact same thing. There is a very detailed and comprehensive new covenant for Israel. And in the current time, we are redeemed through Jesus' death.

Much love!

One important thing that I think helps to understand is, that believing Israel (faith in God but not Jesus - Jhn 14:1) has been forgiven by God applying Jesus' Blood to their sins in the sin sacrifices (Act 2:25; Rom 3:25; Heb 9:15-22; Also Col 2:17; Heb 8:5; 10:1). But since they do not believe in Christ, God has no fellowship with them, and will continue to be just a "people of God."

 

[Charlie24]

Hi, and appreciates your reply. It's my understanding that the Church is not considered as Gentiles and Jews (remnant of Israel), but Christians. This is the Covenant we are referring to between the Father and the Son. The majority of the Jews will not believe in Christ until they see Him, hence the term "remnant" for the few who have believed.

There is yet a new covenant awaiting the Jews who believe in God but not Christ (Jer 31:31; Eze 36:27). Some attempt to relate these as Christians but the language is strictly Jewish. These will not inherit heaven but the earth, for to inherit heaven you must believe in Christ.

Let's go back to the original plan of God to explain. The Calvinists know this but ignore it to create this 3rd covenant. This type of disobedience comes with a price tag!

Matt.15:26
"But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

A Gentile woman came to Jesus and worshipped Him, saying that her daughter was sick and asked Jesus to heal her. Jesus at first ignored her, but she wouldn't leave, then He referred to her as a dog. Why would Jesus refer this Gentile woman as a dog? All the Jews referred to the Gentiles as dogs, even Christ, why?

Matt. 15:24
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Why was Jesus only sent to Israel? He came to offer salvation and the Kingdom of God to only Israel. They were to introduce Christ to the world. Salvation for the Gentile world was to come through Israel.

This is why Christ called the Gentile woman a dog. He only came to bring salvation and the Kingdom to Israel. They were to evangelize the world, which was God's plan. But Christ never turned down faith from anyone, as we see this Gentile was saved and her child healed.

Israel failed in their calling to evangelize the world, and Christ created the Church in the place of Israel to evangelize the world. We the Church are God's 2nd choice and the promises of God are to His 1st choice, Israel. The Church is not as high and mighty as many think!

Paul tells us concerning the Jews,

Rom. 11:28-29
"As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

Paul tells the Gentile Church that Israel is the enemy of the Gospel but they are the beloved by God through the election, the election of being called to introduce Christ to the world. Then he tells them that this election of Israel is not subject to change, God has not changed His mind about Israel, they will still fulfill their calling. In vs. 26 he tells them that all of Israel will be saved.

But until they are all saved at the Second Coming, Paul tells us,

Rom. 11:7
"What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."

Israel has been blinded during this period of time we know as "the times of the Gentiles." The "election that hath obtained it" (salvation) are the remnant of Israel, the handful that believe Jesus is the Christ. There is a remnant at this very moment in Israel, as God has always throughout history had a remnant.

Rom. 11:5
"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."

Paul pictures an olive tree which represents the nation of Israel in covenant with God. The remnant of Israel are the branches of this olive tree, the rest of unbelieving Israel has been broken off this olive tree of covenant through unbelief, they are blinded.

Rom. 11:17
"And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"

Here Paul tells the Church they are the "wild olive branch" who have been grafted into the natural olive tree (Israel's covenant with God) with the remnant. Notice that "the wild olive branch" (the Church) is inferior to the "natural branches" (Israel). Let the Church take a slice of humble pie, it's time we all took a slice.

Rom. 11:24
"For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"

Here Paul is telling the Church they were cut out of a "wild olive tree" which is wild by nature and grafted into the natural olive tree (Israel) how much more shall the blinded of Israel who are out of covenant with God, be grafted back in their own olive tree. This is when all of Israel will be saved and grafted into the olive tree in covenant with God at the Second Coming.

We can plainly see that the remnant of Israel and the Church are in one covenant with God, which makes this 3rd covenant invented by the Calvinists a sham!

 

[Netchaplain]

Matt. 15:24
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Why was Jesus only sent to Israel? He came to offer salvation and the Kingdom of God to only Israel. They were to introduce Christ to the world. Salvation for the Gentile world was to come through Israel.

Jesus' witness was to Israel, but His salvation has always been also to the Gentiles.

We can plainly see that the remnant of Israel and the Church are in one covenant with God, which makes this 3rd covenant invented by the Calvinists a sham!

I believe the "Israel of God" (Gal 6:16) and the remnant of Israel (Rom 9:27) are the Jewish Christians. The majority of Israel will not believe in Christ, thus they will continue as the "people of God" (the Israelites that believe in God -Jhn 14:1).

 

[Charlie24]

Jesus' witness was to Israel, but His salvation has always been also to the Gentiles.



I believe the "Israel of God" (Gal 6:16) and the remnant of Israel (Rom 9:27) are the Jewish Christians. The majority of Israel will not believe in Christ, thus they will continue as the "people of God" (the Israelites that believe in God -Jhn 14:1).

Yes, His salvation has always been for the Gentiles also. But for Israel to see that the salvation of the Gentiles was to come through the proclamation of Israel, He came only to give salvation to Israel first.

You can believe what you like, Netchaplain, but there is no 3rd covenant! The Church and the Jews are in this thing together, the same covenant of Grace and Redemption.

 

[Netchaplain]

You can believe what you like, Netchaplain, but there is no 3rd covenant! The Church and the Jews are in this thing together, the same covenant of Grace and Redemption.

We should realize that God is not going to allow His people (believers in God - Jn 14:1) to perish after 5 millennia of working with them. We would have to disregard His people and what Scripture testifies of them; the Bible being 90% Jewish!