The date of the destruction of Israel and the USA!

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Israel isn't Babylon either. Babylon in the context of Revelation is a future conjcept, existing during the GT and briefly after. She rides the ten horned beast and it is not even here yet. Nor is she but the world is basically ready for her. She is not an actual woman, nor an actual city. She is all who is religiously confused, confused about the AC/beast and the false claims of being god. Those of Babylon will worship the Ac as a god.

Nor did Babylon. The bible doesn't say Babylon killed Christ, nor that Babylon killed teh past saints. In context, Babylon doesn't kill anyone. She is only said to be drunken on their blood....not the same as having done the killing. Only the beast is said to kill the saints, and that is the endtimes saints not any saints of any timeframe.

Rev_13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev_17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Israel doesn't kill the saints mentioned in Revelation.
Babylon is pagan Rome.
The Whore ismost likely Apostate Jerusalem.

1. She "sits on 7 HILLS" (Rev. 17:9)
- Jerusalem DOES sit on 7 hills: Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet, Mount of Corruption, Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built

2. She is called "The Great City" (Rev. 17:18)
- Jerusalem is called the "Great City" - “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev. 11:8).

3. She is "Drunk on the blood of God's Holy people" (Rev 17:6)
- Not ONLY did Jerusalem kill the prophets (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34) - she persecuted the Early Church (Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26).

4. "Jerusalem is the "Faithful City" has become a Whore.
- Isaiah 1:21 laments, "How the FAITHFUL CITY HAS BECOME A WHORE, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers."

Apostate Jerusalem has the blood of God’s holy people on her hands (prophets and martyrs)NOT the Catholic Church (Rev 17:6, Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34, Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26).

We read that the “ten horns” and the beast will hate the prostitute. “They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire (Rev. 17:16).

What happened in 70 AD?
Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the Termple.
 
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That was quite a rant. You appear to be a very angry person who has been spoon-fed a LOT of anti-Catholic manure for a long time.

Your complete ignorance of Catholic doctrine aside – you seem to be especially angered by the sex scandal that plagued the Church a few years back. I, too was angered by it.

I was even MORE angered when I found out that the problem was FAR WORDE in the Protestant churches yet ALL of the fingers were pointed at the Catholic Church.

In his nook Pedophiles and Priests, Protestant author Philip Jenkins chronicles the FBI and insurance statistics, police reports and court records and shows WHY the Catholic Church became the public target:
MONEY. It ALL comes down to money.

EVERY Catholic Diocese is insured, whereas MOST smaller Protestant churches are NOT the Lawyers went after the MONEY and largely neglected the molestation problem. There is also the perceived wealth of the Church - which caused the lawyers to see nothing but DOLLAR $IGGNS.

If you don’t believe me - READ some of the articles behind these headlines.
Better yet – pick up a copy of Pedophiles and Priests, and you’ll get a real education . . .
How Protestant Churches Hid Sexual Abuse ...
A History of Sex Abuse in the Protestant Imagination
FAQ: Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy - The Doan Law Firm
1 in 10 Young Protestants Have Left a Church Over Abuse
Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson
Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’
Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics
There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy
Blogger Who Exposed Protestant Sex Abuse Cover Up Sued By Her Pastor
Denial About Sexual Abuse In Evangelical Churches
Southern Baptists Apologize For Sex Abuse Coverups
U.S. Protestants’ Views Mixed about Extent of Clergy Sexual Abuse
Churchgoers Split on Existence of More Sexual Abuse by Pastors
Confronting Evangelical Enabling of Sexual Abuse
Child abuse a Calvinist problem, podcast says
Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis

As to the Catholic doctrines you listed – I’ll be MORE than happy to educate you about your lack of understanding of ALL of them.
You can't educate a psychotic. First, the psychoses must be treated with medical intervention. People with this high degree of anti-Catholicism are mentally ill, detached from reality. But this is a forum, not a clinic.

Sick people only see evil, they are blind to the good the Church does in the world. How can the world's largest charity be as evil as Gandolf claims? It makes no sense. He needs to tell his doctor how he feels about the CC. He can prescribe medications and make referrals to specialists. Before retiring, I worked as a psychiatric nurse in a hospital, and I know a psychotic when I see one. They often need to be physically restrained until stabilized.

"Bible Christians" talk a lot about end time persecution, all the while persecuting Catholics. St. Paul talks about evil infiltrating the Church, but he never said the Church would be overcome with evil. It's a new doctrine. Jesus said He would be with us ALWAYS, AND THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL. That doesn't mean the gates of hell will not attack. Using the Bible to attack the Church is like saying Jesus lied. It's a psychosis, a detachment from reality.


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Rodney Stark is NOT a Catholic, so one cannot complain of doctrinal bias.

Here's another book written by a non-Catholic, The Last Acceptable Prejudice, previously mentioned by BofL.
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The anti-Catholic, who is already predisposed to believing lies and falsehoods, finds some juicy convincing screed readily available on billions of web sites, and takes it into a forum like this one, thinking they have nice bats to beat Catholics with. I maintain that anti-Catholicism, when taken to extremes, is a mental illness. It has nothing to do with mere disagreements.
 
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Hello, I have found out at what time approximately Israel and the USA will perish together. I am confident that Babylon the Great from Revelation is Israel and that the USA will be influenced by Israel. God wants and will destroy Israel according to Revelation. But when will this happen? I asked myself that question and after hours of research I am sure I have figured out the timing.

Let's start with the month, on which month will their downfall come? To find out, I analyzed God's judgments on Israel, I asked myself at which times calamities happened to Israel and if there might be a connection and I noticed something very interesting. Great disasters of Israel always happened on the same month, on the Hebrew month Av (July-Aug). These disasters took place on the month of Av: The first destruction of Jerusalem and the First Temple (586 BC), the second destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple (70 AD), the crushing of the Bar Kohba revolt and the destruction of Betar (135 AD), and the start of the Holocaust (1941 AD). There were other calamities that took place on this month but these I consider the worst. No one can tell me that it is just a coincidence that disaster always befalls Israel exactly on this month. Therefore, I am sure that the final destruction of Israel as prophesied in Revelation will take place on a hot summer, on the month of Av, which corresponds to the months of July and August in the Gregorian calendar.

Now the year, on which year is the fall? I believe in the theory that Jesus will return 2000 years after his ascension, there are references to this theory in the Bible and books have been written about it. It makes sense to me. So if we assume that Jesus died in 30 AD, then it means that Jesus will return in 2030 at the latest. With this information we can limit the destruction of Israel. If Jesus returns in 2030, it means that Israel's fall must happen before 2030, because Revelation makes it clear that this event will take place before Jesus' arrival.

In conclusion, this means that the fall of Israel and the USA will happen between 2023 and 2030 in the summer month of Av (July-Aug).

So we are nearing the destruction of Babylon the Great, which has caused much disaster in the world, murdered the prophets and Christ, poisoned the world with its music and film industry, and committed other atrocities. God will destroy these two countries and it will be a mighty destruction.

But through whom will God destroy Babylon? The Bible says it will be the Muslims. The Antichrist is a Muslim and his kingdom is Islamic. Through their hands, God will bring justice to the Christians. God says we should rejoice at her downfall.
I think you are confusing the nation of Israel with the religion of Judaism. They are not one and the same.
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4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock.

Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)

The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.

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6. Cf. Gal. 3:7

7. Cf. Rom. 11:17-24

8. Cf. Eph. 2:14-16

9. Cf. Lk. 19:44

10. Cf. Rom. 11:28

11. Cf. Rom. 11:28-29; cf. dogmatic Constitution, Lumen Gentium (Light of nations) AAS, 57 (1965) pag. 20

12. Cf. Is. 66:23; Ps. 65:4; Rom. 11:11-32

13. Cf. John. 19:6

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Is it a shame to be anti-American? Look what your country has done to the world. How many countries you have invaded and destroyed many lives. Look at your wicked music and film industry that destroys the spirits of children around the whole world. Look at your arrogance by thinking you are the "world-police". Look at your history: genocides, slavery and massacres. You are literally living on stolen land. And your politicians are sleeping with Israel.
Look whose talking, a person from Germany. What did Hitler do?
The USA has gone down the tubes, morally, financially ... liberalism ( a disease) has corrupted the planet. But the USA was blessed by God and became the greatest nation ever, a Christian nation from it's roots; the biggest giver of any and greatest advocate of the poor, weak and hungry. We were the light on the hill that shined. It is no longer a light. The New World Order has taken over.
Babylon is where all the false religions and evils originated from and spread to the world. She is the harlots that corrupted the entire world who fornication with her. It is thensntire world system that is Babylon, not just the USA. Israel will be attacked by many nations but Jesus will return and destroy all nations who come against her or did you not get the memo?
Zechariah 12:9; 14:2-4, 12

Judgment Day involves the entire world of unbelievers. You are a believer in Christ or not. Those who are not will be destroyed.
According to Romans 12, a remnant of Israel will be saved. Jesus will revive their blindness.
Your anti-Semitism is dangerous for you since God will bless those who bless them and curse those who curse them. You missed that memo too!
As far as Islam goes, I do believe they are the Beast. Ten nations will join forces to attack Israel and Russia is right in there as well based in Israel and has assisted in Iran's nuclear program for decades. And it is likely the USA will be attacked to keep us busy while this is going on and maybe destroyed too?.
Av is an historically bad month for Israel. You may be onto something. I do suspect war in the Middle East soon. We'll see.
A recent prediction for the appearance of the Two Witnesses on Easter this year fell through. They will show up after this attack on Israel ... I think?
Another guy predicted Erdogan to win the election in Turkey and claims he is the Antichrist who will organize this ten nation Beast. ??
Come Lord Jesus
 
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Babylon is pagan Rome.
The Whore ismost likely Apostate Jerusalem.
Neither is correct, I wrote a blog saying it was Rome and the Holy Spirit made me wrote it again, because I gad ask God to reveal thins unto me, especially when I was wrong. The vision of the Harlot is only 4 verses, Rev. 17:3-6. In vs. 7 the Angel says come, I will show you the Mystery of the Harlot AND the Beast she rides. In Rev. 17:16 we see the 10 Kings in league with the last Beast kills of the Harlot.

NOW THINK: What two things did all of those nations have at their core? False Religion MINGLED (riding the back) with False Governance (any Governance not of God is not true Governance).

The Harlot has the blood of the Saints (Jews as John saw it...for all time) and the Martyrs of Jesus, also they wore Scarlet and Purple, two very expensive colors because of the dyes used, thus Government Royals and Religious Orders all wore these "Exclusive colors".

What does the Last Beast (a Man) do that none of the other Beasts did? He demands to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD, this Rev. 17:16 fits, all False Religions (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism et al) will be killed off.

Babylon is merely the WHOLE WORLD being Judged by God in Rev. 18. Rev. 16:19 tells us this, when Jesus defeats the wicked nations, God calls the Babylon the Great, well who did Jesus defeat? Well, Vial #6 tells us, it says that the Dragon, Beast and False Prophet lie unto everyone and get the Kings of ALL THE WHOLEV WORLD to gather at Armageddon to fight against God Almighty !! So, God calls those Jess defeated Babylon the Great but why? Well, Satan loves to confuse TE MASSES, hence the name Babylon derives from Babel, or Satan's Dark Kingdom of Confusion. Who gets bound up when Babylon Falls? Satan, of course.

The 7 Hills is just very bad eschatology, we know the 7 Kingdoms were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND will be the coming Anti-Christ. How anyone can ever confuse this is beyond me. I mean, it tells you these were the Kings who fell. The KEY is, the only Beast that both ARISES and FALLS as the King is the Anti-Christ, all the rest pass their kingdoms on.
 

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Hello, I have found out at what time approximately Israel and the USA will perish together. I am confident that Babylon the Great from Revelation is Israel and that the USA will be influenced by Israel. God wants and will destroy Israel according to Revelation. But when will this happen? I asked myself that question and after hours of research I am sure I have figured out the timing.

Let's start with the month, on which month will their downfall come? To find out, I analyzed God's judgments on Israel, I asked myself at which times calamities happened to Israel and if there might be a connection and I noticed something very interesting. Great disasters of Israel always happened on the same month, on the Hebrew month Av (July-Aug). These disasters took place on the month of Av: The first destruction of Jerusalem and the First Temple (586 BC), the second destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple (70 AD), the crushing of the Bar Kohba revolt and the destruction of Betar (135 AD), and the start of the Holocaust (1941 AD). There were other calamities that took place on this month but these I consider the worst. No one can tell me that it is just a coincidence that disaster always befalls Israel exactly on this month. Therefore, I am sure that the final destruction of Israel as prophesied in Revelation will take place on a hot summer, on the month of Av, which corresponds to the months of July and August in the Gregorian calendar.

Now the year, on which year is the fall? I believe in the theory that Jesus will return 2000 years after his ascension, there are references to this theory in the Bible and books have been written about it. It makes sense to me. So if we assume that Jesus died in 30 AD, then it means that Jesus will return in 2030 at the latest. With this information we can limit the destruction of Israel. If Jesus returns in 2030, it means that Israel's fall must happen before 2030, because Revelation makes it clear that this event will take place before Jesus' arrival.

In conclusion, this means that the fall of Israel and the USA will happen between 2023 and 2030 in the summer month of Av (July-Aug).

So we are nearing the destruction of Babylon the Great, which has caused much disaster in the world, murdered the prophets and Christ, poisoned the world with its music and film industry, and committed other atrocities. God will destroy these two countries and it will be a mighty destruction.

But through whom will God destroy Babylon? The Bible says it will be the Muslims. The Antichrist is a Muslim and his kingdom is Islamic. Through their hands, God will bring justice to the Christians. God says we should rejoice at her downfall.
That's stupid, and you obviously have not read what God said about Israel in Jeremiah 31. God said Israel will NEVER cease from being a nation upon this earth, forever.
 

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Why... do God's "two witnesses" show up in Jerusalem for the latter 1260 days, and prophesy against the beast? and are killed in Jerusalem by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit?

Why does Zechariah 14 reveal that Jesus' feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem at His future return, bringing all His faithful elect saints with Him there?

Why did Christ equate Jerusalem with the pagan cities of Sodom and Egypt in Revelation 11? and referred to Jerusalem as the "great city" where Lord Jesus was crucified?

IT IS BECAUSE THE BABYLON HARLOT FOR THE END IS ABOUT JERUSALEM FALLEN INTO IDOL WORSHIP.

Ezekiel 16 is where God first called Jerusalem a 'harlot' because of falling into idol worship.

If you are in a Christian Church that is NOT teaching you about all that as written in God's Word, then you are in a DECEIVED CHURCH that likely will be led to worship the coming False-Messiah in Jerusalem at the end.
 

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OK, you are 100% Full Of It. Israel Is Not Babylon The Mother Of All Harlots, The Roman Catholic Church Is! Why do you think so many apostate Protestants have defected to the R.C.C. at this point, so very far into the end?

Why do you think Ex-Protestants such as Dr. Scott Hann and his wife have defected to, and have become such lying advocates for the R.C.C.? Hann teaches that Mary is the Ark Of The Covenant as per Revelation, etc..,? How is that possible? The Ark is where the tablets of the law were stored, along with the staff of Aaron, and that therefore would make Mary the Queen of Heaven, and the Womb of Heaven itself, if the tablets of the law represented Jesus, and thus she would be where he rests in Heaven? If one were to develop such a picture, where Moses, and not Mary carved the tablets of the law, and then went down from the mountain to destroy the tablets, and kill the faithless in doing so, then one could argue that that represented the crucifiction and how Christ's sacrifice also condemns the faithless lost. And then one could argue that God himself carving the next set of tablets of the law, as God raising Christ in authority as the Law, etc.., But there is no way in such an allegory, to make Mary the Ark. The RCC are, and have always been 100% Blasphemous in their treatment of Mary. The RCC made up the Immaculate Conception of Mary, and the Ascension of Mary, and even Mary as the Co-Redemptrix or Co Redeemer with Christ

All who are saved are the saints. The RCC in Blasphemy 100% makes up their definition of a saint as those who die, and after death perform fake miracles, to so have to thus be canonized, and declared saints. God has promised us lying signs and miracles in the heavenlies, and only the RCC counts as fulfilling that. The devil fakes these lying signs and wonders miracles, and the RCC Declares Necromancy as a result, where we are to pray to the dead. Next the Disciples Prayer, as a model for their stance in prayer, is wrongly by the RCC taken as the Lord's Prayer, and by other non RCC Churches so taken in by the RCC deception, where it is used as mere vain repetition in prayer, directly against what Christ said on the matter. Christ indeed in fervent passion, said the same prayer three times. But that is different to the highly demonic RCC priest, listening to confessions, and saying he can absolve you of sins himself, by telling you to rattle off some lord's prayers, 5, 10, 15, 20 times, etc.., The number doesn't matter the RCC lies in making one vainly rattle off mindless prayer repetitions. then just as Blasphemously adds prays to Mary as well in their Mary Full Of Grace, Hail Mary Blasphemous Prayers, where Mary adds to the works of Christ? I don't think so.

Then the RCC lies, as they always lie, and say we are merely praying to Mary for intersession, and what's wrong with that? Everything!!!! Because again they falsely Elevate Mary, and then are too cowardly to admit that that is what they have done. Two, the one and for all time sacrifice of Christ is complete, and it is one's own faith in Christ, and in Christ, thru faith, in prayer, directly confessing one's sins to Christ, and thus asking for forgiveness, to be led back to the protection of obedience, where so needed, if so needed, which is merely an act of faith in confessing you are sorry, and thus being humble and meek in faith to Christ, in asking for protection from your own weakness, rather than revisiting the past, thinking rattling off a few prayers, is works, in which case you are working for your own salvation, by adding to the work of Christ. And it is again still Necromancy, and plain Blasphemy to pray to Mary otherwise, even for faked intervention, and inspite of the fake Ascension of Mary not withstanding as well, etc.., etc.., etc..,
(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
 
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Why... do God's "two witnesses" show up in Jerusalem for the latter 1260 days, and prophesy against the beast? and are killed in Jerusalem by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit?

Why does Zechariah 14 reveal that Jesus' feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem at His future return, bringing all His faithful elect saints with Him there?

Why did Christ equate Jerusalem with the pagan cities of Sodom and Egypt in Revelation 11? and referred to Jerusalem as the "great city" where Lord Jesus was crucified?

IT IS BECAUSE THE BABYLON HARLOT FOR THE END IS ABOUT JERUSALEM FALLEN INTO IDOL WORSHIP.

Ezekiel 16 is where God first called Jerusalem a 'harlot' because of falling into idol worship.

If you are in a Christian Church that is NOT teaching you about all that as written in God's Word, then you are in a DECEIVED CHURCH that likely will be led to worship the coming False-Messiah in Jerusalem at the end.
Both you and Truth7t7 clearly do not understand Prophecy, you take things like God giving us Sodom & Egypt in the book of Revelation as a HUGE CLUE, when it is, but not as you think. Everything in this book is given in CODED INFORMATION, thus Israel is called The Woman, you don't think a woman is fleeing Judea do you? No, its Israel, of course. Pssttt, you are just being given coded info on where all this will happen. (Jerusalem)

Zechariah 13:8-9 shows Israel repents (1/3 do, so 3.5-5 million Jews repent JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord arrives as Zech. 14:1 shows, then in vs. 2 Jerusalem is sacked......THEN in vs. 3, 1260 days later Jesus returns, so please tell me why God would call Nation who has repented a Harlot?

Zech. 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain(Jesus blood Atones for Israel once they ACCEPT him) opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Zech. 13:8
And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire,(So, God Himsel says he will bring them through the FIRE or Tribulations seen in Zech. 14:1 BUT the 2/3 will DIE) and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.(Israel REPENTS above)

So, Israel repents, then God's Wrath arrives, your whole narrative that God still sees Israel as a Harlot is debunked, DESTROYED, and laid to waste. And you have no excuse because I have shown you !!

Zechariah 14:1
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

So, Israel REPENTS, then the DOTL arrives and Jerusalem is SACKED by the Anti-Christ and his minions. But THEN........THEN, Jesus shows up 1260 days later in vs. 3, and defeats all of the Wicked who gather at Armageddon, the Anti-Christ, and his kings (E.U.) and slays the False Prophet (rogue Jewish High Priest).

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

So God/Jesus IN CODE just told you where this event will happen(Two-witnesses deaths), YOU think He's trying to tell you Jerusalem is The Harlot and/or Babylon the Great, but Israel have already repented, so why is God still calling them a Harlot when the bible clearly say He only sees Jesus' blood after we repent? Is God lying? No, of course not, you guys have IDEAS in your head that is YOUR UNDERSTANDING, and when reproved you can not admit you were in error. (that is called "The Pride of Life" my friends)

So, this is why you get nothing right via Prophecy, because you lead with your own IDEAS you got from other men, ones I rejected long ago in most cases. But the SCRIPTURES don't matter, full speed ahead. lol.
 
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You are clearly Anti Semitic, and therefore clearly a false prophet based on that alone. And your angry, basically Zionist Loving Christians will soon get their reward ( judgement ) rant is priceless!

The USA is Comercial Babylon, and the West, the USA, UN, EU, and NATO are Political Babylon.

The USA openly declared itself commercial babylon in 1913 when Woodrow Wilson enacted and switched us from that national bank note system, to the federal reserve system, and then as well when as such in 1935 when FDR gave us the dollar bill with the pyramid and all seeing eye on the obverse
( the back side. )

Since 1900 / 1901, the USA has been hell bent on a one world NWO. And the book of psalms was enthroned in 1900, and then began it's regal year, after one year in 1901, to show it began it's prophetic countdown with a year matching it's psalm number, for a very judicious, or very limited / finite prophetic count, when a few such years were aligned. One prime example was the 90th psalm, the only psalm written by Moses, where Moses laments to God, of how Israel has been judged by God, but how in the end Israel's days will be 70 years more, or 80 if by strength, = so that by 1990 + 80 years Israel could have an extension of life up to 2070 AD to fulfill the rest of their prophetic purpose, to be there when Christ returns.

In 536 and 516 BC, when the 70 year offset partial returns occured, offset from 606 and 586 BC, Israel had not fully repented, so began their 2,520 year captivity. But a solar year is 360 days, and God uses a solar year count for long term prophecies with Israel. So ( 2,520 * 360 ) / 365.2422 day year = 2,483.8312769..... years = 536 BC + 2,483+ years = 1948 AD, and 516 BC + 2,483+ years = 1967/1968 AD for the times when Israel was reestablished, and had rule over East Jerusalem again.

And being established in 1948, like the Days Of noah, 1948 + 120 years = up to 2068 AD.

And in retaking East Jerusalem a prophetic generation = 100 years ( as per their 430 year captivity of four generations in Egypt, with 30 years of that counting as sojourning, where after the 430 years in Egypt, Israel was released on the very Selfsame Day, ) so that from 1968 + 100 = up to 2068 AD.

So Israel has a prophetic timeframe left to fulfill up to from around 2068 to 2070 AD.

It doesn't sound like God is done with them yet.


Yes, the USA, and the Entire West, are about to get Nuked, as Commercial and Political Babylon, but all that means is between now and then, up to 2070 AD, Israel will only have to go into two brief captivities, and be restored twice as well, for not trusting God, and trading land for peace, so that God can soften them up, to be prepared for God's return, when Christ returns at Armageddon.

And God obviously did not write the Qur'an, so Satan has to explain away the two returns, so the false god allah says in the Qur'an that after the two captivities how allah will return Israel to her land, and her land alone. But the Antichrist will be so enraged, that he will try and destroy Israel, for the third time, at Armageddon, and be destroyed himself, when Christ returns instead
I think the keyword is, world.

All governments and their co-conspirators, are in on the global agenda. No nations power structuralists have clean hands.
 

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So, Israel repents, then God's Wrath arrives, your whole narrative that God still sees Israel as a Harlot is debunked, DESTROYED, and laid to waste. And you have no excuse because I have shown you !!
Israel doesn't repent as you falsely claim, the remnant elect repent, those who God foreknew (The Church)

When the 1/3 Jew in Zechariah 13 is saved, they become (The Church) Israel is blind to God's salvation, read it again and again

Only the remnant will be saved by God's forekowledge and election, National Israel is blinded

"Israel Hath Not Obtained"

"The Election Hath Obtained" The Church


Romans 11:2-8KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
 
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Old Israel is no longer the people of God. They are apostate. The true and new Israel is Christianity.
The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel (Flesh)

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
 
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Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great, As You Have Been Shown
I haven't been here because I have been very ill. But that aside, no, you have shown me nothing. I have read what you wrote, and don't buy your beliefs. And there a lot of people here, who do not buy a lot of what you believe. There are a lot of people here yelling at me with their nonsensical rants, whether organized around fancy presentations or not. So go on and post all the fancy posts you like, and tell us we're all wrong, because we still don't buy what you post, no matter how many times you falsely claim you have shown me something, blah, blah, blah, blah. You'd have to convince me of your nonsense, to so claim you have shown me anything. And there is no law that I have to be here, whether I'm feeling well or not, I'm old. This is a debate site, in which I don't have to show up for it's nonsense if I don't want to, and listen to idiots yell at me for example, because I'm mentally ill, because the RCC has extensive charities, while still being the demonic spiritual whore who has tortured, maimed, or killed in it's inquisitions, or how many liberal catholics, etc.., worship at the altars of liberal, woke, progressive, etc.., and support kids ripped from their own parent's authority to be forcibly indoctrinated into their demonic trans lies, or no matter how many tens of millions of abortions so supported. So the demonic RCC Zombies van insult me likewise all they want, because catholic charities won't buy that cults way out of hell either.
 

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I haven't been here because I have been very ill. But that aside, no, you have shown me nothing. I have read what you wrote, and don't buy your beliefs. And there a lot of people here, who do not buy a lot of what you believe. There are a lot of people here yelling at me with their nonsensical rants, whether organized around fancy presentations or not. So go on and post all the fancy posts you like, and tell us we're all wrong, because we still don't buy what you post, no matter how many times you falsely claim you have shown me something, blah, blah, blah, blah. You'd have to convince me of your nonsense, to so claim you have shown me anything. And there is no law that I have to be here, whether I'm feeling well or not, I'm old. This is a debate site, in which I don't have to show up for it's nonsense if I don't want to, and listen to idiots yell at me for example, because I'm mentally ill, because the RCC has extensive charities, while still being the demonic spiritual whore who has tortured, maimed, or killed in it's inquisitions, or how many liberal catholics, etc.., worship at the altars of liberal, woke, progressive, etc.., and support kids ripped from their own parent's authority to be forcibly indoctrinated into their demonic trans lies, or no matter how many tens of millions of abortions so supported. So the demonic RCC Zombies van insult me likewise all they want, because catholic charities won't buy that cults way out of hell either.
Wow! That's angry.
 

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Wow! That's angry.
What's so angry about the truth? A bunch of lying sycophants, worshiping their lying and demonic RCC, and calling me mentally ill to do so? So I answer they, and what they say is nonsense, but I'm the angry one, lol. Yes I get angry at their lies, because they continue to mislead many. But I don't personally care they attack me. I simply will not tolerate their lies, and not stop calling the RCC the Abomination it is, for the sake of it's and the world's victims of their lies.

It's the very end of the end times, for the church age, also known as the time of the gentiles. And as such, because of the great apostasy that thus exists as a result, there will be a great destruction as a result, and then will the great tribulation will begin. We won't be here, but why can I not be concerned for those who will have to go thru what is next?

Now while true they shot back and said that the sexual scandal was greater in the protestant churches, well hello, isn;'t that proof that the great harlot apostasy is here? They have heresy proof at best that it was and is allegedly worse within the protestant churches, because Billy Graham's kid said the protestants are worse than the catholics, in that the protestants try and pretend it isn't so? It's not a contest of who is less of an abomination. However they likewise post that the catholic church only was gone after because their churches are insured, whereas the protestant ones are not, so only the money was gone after, blah, blah, blah, And because of tainted counter arguments, that they claim it may have been worse with protestants, without absolute proof one way or another, they again act as if it is a contest on who was less evil? It can't be proven the way they say it can on so much speculation, because unless all of the surviving adults come out, even if their is no money to be made, and then we have alleged final and total numbers to compare, we'll never know who was worse numberwise, as if that matters at all? The church, of all types, have become an apostate abomination, as I say for accepting the great harlot's primarily incorporeal lies, and thus physically as well become like uncontrollable beats physically as a result of their greatest abominations and sins, to compound that further by molesting children as a result? And that absolves them, by accusing the other guy of possible higher numbers?

From Jimi Hendrix to Bill Cosby, and so many others, are endless proof of the same everywhere. Because Hendrix sold out to the great harlot, he became a wild animal demanding he be serviced physically sexually as well. So I watched a biography channel biography of Hendrix, already knowing I hated him as such, and part of it had one of his band members on, Billy Cox, who related the story of picking up two girls, and bringing them back to his hotel room, and when Hendrix saw them, was so angry that Cox did not pick up the girls for him, how Hendrix picked up a loose brick, and chased and tried to beat the girls with the brick. And Bill Cosby was not the only one protected, or like others who Oprah brought young girls to, like little pieces of candy to be molested, all of whom were handed young girls, and protected as well, for serving the great harlot, that we are not to see the times for what they are? And they only started throwing all of these men, who served their great harlot as well, under the bus, to distract that Hillary Clinton in loosing to Trump so badly, for doing nothing but saying you have to elect me, simply because "I'm not Trump." that she did so much damage to the image of the great harlot Woke, etc.., etc.., etc.., that suddenly they had to throw all these obviously bad men, but all of a sudden, and virtually all at once, so the pro matriarchal great harlot left, could once again attempt to protect their reputation by showing how bad the men were, who were serving the great harlot in the first place.

And Matthew 13:33 has Jesus giving another parable, where he taught the kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three pecks of meal, until it was all leavened. And some study bibles, even try and provide cover, and pretend it may have not been about sin, in this case? When it clearly meant sin, in three pecks ( ages, ) from the early Church, thru to the main body of time of the church, or time of the gentiles, and again after the church age, during the great tribulation. So many of Christ's teachings on the kingdom of heaven, are negative, and about sin, because they are about the fake and outward pseudo kingdom of heaven, rather than the true and singular kingdom of heaven - obviously so because of all ther violence and sin contained there within - But even though dismissed by the Church, to cover our sin, as mere Idioms in Matthew the way the phrase the Kingdom of Heaven is mentioned, what they fail to tell you, in the Greek, I found instances in Matthew, within a Periscope, or block teaching by Christ He used both the singular Kingdom of Heaven, and then for the part with the sin and or violence as well, whereChrist used the plural the Kingdoms Of The Heavens, even with the plural of the Articles themselves, in line with the insisted upon rules of Greek, thus showing Christ compared a true and singular kingdom of heaven, with an outward and plural sinful fake, or copy - thus emphasizing the truth is found in ther singular and true accepting Christ, and thus drawing to God, rather that the fake outer false copy of sauid kingdom, for the lost.

And so we are now on the brink of a nuclear war involving the entire west of the USA, UN, EU, NATO, with Russia, Ukraine, etc.., in which the west is pushing and instigating this suicide, for the sake of hoping to rebuild their utopia and alleged freedom, in their fake and falsely hoped for fake utopia in their fake kingdom of heaven to come.

This thread was started by some kind of neo nazi, saying the USA was about to be nuked, because we partner with Israel, and likewise because f so many Jews here who allegedly run the USA?: Well. we might very well be nuked soon, with the EU, etc.., for all being part of political and commercial babylon, at the nd of the church age, so that the great tribulation can begin, but not because of some prosperous Jews in America?

There is so much we ignore, such as the counterfeit sinful kingdoms of the heavens, which I have mentioned before in Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc.., etc.., such as Isa 29: Isa 29:4-5, 7-8, 9-10, 11-12, etc.., etc.., to Isa 9:20, to Isa 49:26, etc.., to which for the sum total of Isa 29: Ariel as the Altar Hearth, and as Zion, and the Mountain of God, that is the mountain Hendrix wants to chop down with the side of his hand ( his guitar playing, and music as a whole [ especially with his great harlot serving gnostic and thuss evil lyrics ] )

Yes we are in very dark times, which I have every right to be angry with. And the RCC will survive the post church age, then as the false prophet, riding most likely the beast of Islam, for the Antichrist thru the Great Tribulation, and including the false peace with Israel, and the rebuilt Temple, to fulfil all of that remaining prophecy, but as a new partner and false prophet to post Christian Islamic Antichrist run NWO, the RCC will remain the Harlot she's always been, but now for the Antichrist's Islamic reign of terror and destruction.
 

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Both you and Truth7t7 clearly do not understand Prophecy, you take things like God giving us Sodom & Egypt in the book of Revelation as a HUGE CLUE, when it is, but not as you think.
The simplicity that is God's Word is not that difficult. It's the false prophets which God did NOT send that He has not given them to understand, that make His Word difficult and impossible to understand. And you appear to be on that very road of deception.

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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That Scripture means exactly... what it says as written. The "beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" that will kill God's two witnesses there in JERUSALEM for the end of this world, is about SATAN himself here on earth, in OUR dimension, in that future time of "great tribulation". That is who that "beast" that ascends out of the bottomless pit is! Even Rev.9 reveals that is Satan.

And Rev.11:8 calling JERUSALEM in the 'spiritual' sense as "Sodom and Egypt" is to MARK JERUSALEM at that time in a FALLEN WORSHIP CONDITION! And as I said before, in Ezekiel 16 God used similar pagan symbology for the city of JERUSALEM when it fell into false worship back in Old Testament times!

All that is IMPOSSIBLE to miss, as long as one stays with the SIMPLICITY that is God's written Word. Those who go against that simplicity instead follow MEN'S AGENDAS and preach falseness.

Everything in this book is given in CODED INFORMATION, thus Israel is called The Woman, you don't think a woman is fleeing Judea do you? No, its Israel, of course. Pssttt, you are just being given coded info on where all this will happen.
Right, Christ's Book of Revelation is CODED for the unbelieving, so the unbelieving JEWS CANNOT understand it! And there are FALSE JEWS that have crept into some Christian pulpits today, and thus hide, doing the devil's work!

Zechariah 13:8-9 shows Israel repents (1/3 do, so 3.5-5 million Jews repent JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord arrives as Zech. 14:1 shows, then in vs. 2 Jerusalem is sacked......THEN in vs. 3, 1260 days later Jesus returns, so please tell me why God would call Nation who has repented a Harlot?
EZEKIEL 16 is where God called JERUSALEM a harlot. Get your Scripture facts straight, you DECEIVER. And I never mentioned Zechariah 13, but ZECHARIAH 14!

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 14 is the DAY of Christ's future RETURN TO EARTH where He ascended to Heaven from, THE MOUNT OF OLIVES EAST OF JERUSALEM. Zechariah 14 declares that... is where He will bring His saints with Him to.

That Scripture is EASY, simple to understand. Only a false Jew follower of the devil would try... to muzzle it in some vain way.

Acts 1 reveled where Jesus ASCENDED TO HEAVEN FROM, i.e. the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem. THAT... is the SPOT which Zechariah 14 reveals He will return!!!
 

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OK, you are 100% Full Of It. Israel Is Not Babylon The Mother Of All Harlots, The Roman Catholic Church Is! Why do you think so many apostate Protestants have defected to the R.C.C. at this point, so very far into the end?
THE ANTI-CATHOLIC FASHION SHOW!!!
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Part Four: And so we have seen so far that not only is the RCC Mystery Babylon, The Mother Of All Harlots, Built Upon Nothing But Lies, Fake Authority, And 100% Purely Blasphemous Doctrines And traditions, But Their Blasphemy Knows No Bounds. We will now talk about the Eucharist.
There have been a number of stories in the news lately of small Satanic groups publicly performing so-called “Black Masses.”

These rituals are based on the Catholic mass but are inverted toward Satan and often involve the desecration of a Eucharistic host.

This sort of thing is evil and should not be taken lightly. It’s also occurred to me, though, how these Black Masses offer a powerful argument for the truth of Catholicism.

[See also: Why Satan Is So Scared of St. John Paul II, According to Rome’s Chief Exorcist]

[See also: A Priest’s Warning Against the Devil’s 10 Deadliest Tricks]


The Eucharist is either Jesus or Evil

The Eucharist is either Jesus or mere bread and wine.

If the Eucharist is Jesus, everyone should be at Mass, worshipping Our Lord. If the Eucharist is Jesus, there should be no such thing as Protestantism, Mormonism, Islam, atheism, etc. But if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then for two thousand years, the would-be followers of Jesus Christ were actually idolaters. If that’s the case, nobody should be Catholic.

So those are the stakes. Everyone who encountered Jesus of Nazareth was faced with a crucial question: is this God, in some mysterious guise, or not? The early Christians called this the “aut Deus aut malus homo” (“either God or a bad man”). Everyone encountering the Eucharist is faced with the same question: either God or idolatry.

And of course, if the Eucharist is pagan idolatry, it’s demonic. As 1 Corinthians 10:20 says, “what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God.”

The whole world hangs on this point: is the Eucharist Jesus or an idol? Is the Sacrifice of the Mass being offered to God, or to demons?

Satan Hates the Eucharist

The satanic Black Mass is a ritual inversion (and mockery) of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass performed by Satanists. Now, there are two types of Satanists: “LaVey Satanists,” and “theological Satanists.” LaVey Satanists atheists who don’t believe in Satan, and use “Satanism” as a tool to harass and provoke Christians (unlike“theological Satanists,” who believe in Satan and worship him). But whether the practitioners are playing at the occult, or serious, there’s no question that they’re tapping into some seriously dark spiritual forces. Satan is at work here.

And it worth pointing out that when Satanists (of both kind) want to mock a religious ritual, you can bet that it’s going to be the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that they target. How often do you hear about Muslim or Hindu or Jewish (or even Protestant) services being subjected to such intense Satanic mockery?

Nor is this Satanic targeting of the Mass anything new. As far back as the fourth century, St. Epiphanius of Salamis described a sect of Gnosticism performing a perverted mockery of Mass. I won’t go into the details, but it was graphic enough that the members of this sect became known as “Borborians” (“filthy ones”).

Satan Doesn’t Drive Out Satan

So the Eucharist is either Jesus or evil (since if it’s not Jesus, it’s idolatry) and since the devil hates the Eucharist, we can cross “evil” off the list.

For some additional Biblical support, consider Matthew 12.22-28:

“Then a blind and dumb demoniac was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “It is only by Be-el′zebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”

“Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Be-el′zebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”

This passage is important: it shows, for example, that Catholic exorcists are operating by the Spirit of God when they drive out demons. But it also means that if Satan hates the Mass, we can be sure that the Mass isn’t evil.

Of course, if the Mass isn’t demonic, if it isn’t idolatry, that really only leaves one option: that the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, and that the Sacrifice of the Mass is presenting Jesus to the Father. This (and as far as I can tell, this alone), accounts for the Satanic mockery.

The Target of Satan

Even if the only thing you knew about Catholicism was that its central form of worship, the Mass, was the target of Satanic ire, you would already have good reason to believe that Catholicism was the true religion.

But taken with all of the other evidence for the truth that the Eucharist is Jesus, that the Mass is a Sacrifice instituted by God, and that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, Satan is just one more (unwitting) witness for the truth of Jesus Christ and His Church.
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Matthew 12.22-28:

“Then a blind and dumb demoniac was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “It is only by Be-el′zebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”

“Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Be-el′zebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”
Unfailingly, whenever there is a TV show or movie that touches on subjects like Transubstantiation—the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus—the Virgin birth, apparitions, the stigmata, even confession, it is the subject of ridicule and insulting commentary. But when it comes to the phenomenon of exorcism, it’s hard to find anyone who mocks it.

Catholic League staffers reviewed over 600 movie reviews of “The Rite” that appeared in mainline media outlets. Aside from a few snotty remarks, the subject of exorcism was given a respectful hearing: none was derisive. The cast of “The Rite” was also respectful: none lambasted the idea that demons could be purged by a trained Roman Catholic priest.

This is good news. Evil exists, and everyone save for a fringe minority, admits it. More important, the belief that the devil can be conquered also exists. That the Catholic Church has a mechanism to deal with it is hardly surprising. After all, it was founded by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
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"if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?"
The CC has survived much worse persecution than the rantings of psychotics.


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