The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Chapter 12​

The Day of the Lord’s Wrath​

The Day of the Lord is described as being preceded with the sun/moon/star event, and that event is described to happen at the sixth Seal. The sun/moon/star event in total is not the Day of the Lord if one uses the evening hour for the start of a “day.” Indeed, in Joel 2:31, the sun and moon aspects are said to precede the Day of the Lord. The aspect of stars falling would be more apt to be part of the scrolling of the sky: a celestial fireworks show as the sign of the Son of Man and God’s final thumbprint signature announcing the Return of His Son.

The two-day, as Western man would term it, or the single Hebrew Day of the Lord (going from sundown to sundown) is fulfilled within a rescue/wrath scenario as presented here. Likewise, in the Seal/Scroll account, after the Great Multitude is safe in Heaven; God's Wrath follows with the first Trumpet! This is the aspect of rescue-wrath foretold by the examples Jesus gives of Noah and Lot. The two halves will be replicated in the opposing halves of the Day of the Lord. The second day/half of the Day of the Lord begins that Wrath.

Using the example of the feasts, a premise is made here for a limited time of the Day of the Lord. Some try to expand the Day of the Lord in Post-Trib eschatology to include not only the final victory with the taking up, but then to extend that “Day” to the Millennium in the day-to-a thousand year analogy. However, the specific conditions of the Day of the Lord are not found in the Millennium. Neither the overshadowing of clouds, nor wrath with fire, blood and smoke can literally continue for the entire Sabbath Millennium of peace. Likewise, the aspects of Wrath said to be connected with the Day of the Lord are limited in the Bible. These twin aspects of conditions and desolations that are listed in the Bible can be fulfilled within a limited timeframe for the Day of the Lord which mirrors the two-day Holy Day of Rosh ha-Shannah.

Like the impossibility of extending the Day of the Lord across the Millennium, the rest of the desolations contained in the Seal/Scroll chronology take up too much time to be fulfilled within a two-day Day of the Lord. Fulfilling all that is contained in the Scroll takes time, more time than just a Day, even a Day expanded by example of the Festivals to two days. While the Day of the Lord is limited in the view presented here, the effects of God’s Wrath can extend past this special time as a true desolation. The Day of the Lord is not thought here to encompass God’s entire Wrath. While Paul writes that the end comes with the Day of the Lord, however, the Greek verbiage need not be on that day. Being set as a future condition in 2nd Thessalonians, once the Day of the Lord begins the only certainty is inevitable end of the anti-Christ.

The whole aspect of “end” varies between the New Testament and the Old and between the Greek and the Hebrew. In the New Testament, télos and teléō denote fulfillment. Thus for the Christian, the end fulfills or completes the Church age. This ‘end’ can be seen in the Harvest which is the natural hope for Christians.

But this denotation and the inherent hopeful connotation does not hold true in the Hebrew. “End” as qēs comes from qāsas which means to cut off. qēs is used in a context of judgment (TWOT p.2062). It is used in Genesis 6:13 when God brings an end to corrupt world. It is also used predominantly in Daniel most notably in the end-time section of Daniel 9:26 and throughout that book’s chapter 12. For Israel and the Jews, the Day of the Lord carries with it the ominous aspect of Judgment; indeed, the point made herein is that the Day of the Lord begins Jacob’s trouble.

The difference between the New Testament Greek and the Old Testament Hebrew reflects the actuality between Christians who believe in the Judaic prophecy for the Servant Messiah and the Jews who reject Jesus. The difference is reflected in the hope Christian have versus the dread surrounding the Day of the Lord as it is directed toward Israel. This difference comes to fruition in the person of Jesus, first coming on the clouds to gather the Elect, only to return to trample out His Wrath upon the land. The "long day" of the Day of the Lord are as divergent as the signs which mark the start of this “day” whereby in the brightest part of the day it goes dark, only to have it be light at night when Jesus appears. The interplay between halves of the Day of the Lord, between Rescue and Wrath also mimic the separate halves of the one ‘seven’ with the rise and fall of the anti-Christ.

Concerning God’s Wrath after the Gathering, only the wicked remain as the majority portion. These are the tares which have been collected in the field. For such people, who will include Jews, no chance for Grace could remain and the only recourse is for Judgment. Of those left behind, the clear majority have taken the “mark” or worshipped the talking image of the anti-Christ, or are predisposed to do so eventually, or have utterly rejected the Gospel message, even the one carried by the Angel. Even for a God who so loved the world to send His only Son, the only just disposition of such people is permanent exclusion from Heaven. Indeed, it could not be Heaven with such individuals in it; God desires willful worship, not robotic servitude.

As with the Harvest analogy though, the minor exception to this rule is the remaining number of the crop which was not gathered up in the Harvest. The only viable entry into Heaven for them will be to be martyred. This is the stated fate for Two Witnesses at least and is borne by the witness of the voice from Heaven and the Spirit in the pronouncement written in Revelation 14:13. If any “Christian” who believes and did not take the “mark” nor worshiped the talking image of the anti-Christ is “left behind,” the only hope for their salvation as part of the first Resurrection is to die for their testimony and so be included in the blessing of Revelation 14:13.
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Day of the Lord​

Past: or Future?​

These are key verses to the second half of the Day of the Lord:

JOEL 2:30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
JOEL 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Any assignment of this passage to the future should not even begin until a criticism leveled by some that this has already been fulfilled is addressed. This verse is quoted by Peter in part at the Festival of Firstfruits in Acts 2:16. Does this mean that this aspect of the Day of the Lord has already come to pass?

Peter’s claim of fulfillment may have more to do with the previous verse relating exactly to what he and others had just experienced rather than saying that the Pentecost was the Day of the Lord. In fact, what had transpired raised such a ruckus that the faithful who had assembled in Jerusalem were asking questions as to hearing their own language meant. Peter tells them that it is a fulfillment of prophecy.

AC 2:17 " `In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
AC 2:18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
AC 2:19 I will show wonders in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
AC 2:20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
AC 2:21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.'

But what Peter does not recite is the following sentence:

JOEL 2:32b for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the LORD has said,
among the survivors
whom the LORD calls.

While there is a great eschatological meaning to Joel 2, Peter proclaims fulfillment. Peter has been washed with the Holy Spirit. Therefore, imbued with the Holy Spirit, he understands the significance of the Gospel message of Jesus in the last line that he does quote from Joel 2:32.

When Peter says “this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel” from his perspective, he is explaining within the context of everyone hearing their own language from a group of Galileans who were not scholarly: that something new has taken place. The seminal event is the extraordinary aspect of tongues displayed by the first instance of the Church in Jerusalem. To that, Peter attaches Joel to explain the source for the Jews amazement.
Peter pronounced the passage in Joel as being fulfilled in of the context of what is happening in Acts on the Festival of Firstfruits: the outpouring of God’s Holy Spirit upon the Church, men and women. Peter is not giving a detailed exegesis of the entire passage. Peter is not speaking of Christ’s return as Joel does.

The literal parts Peter is referring to are the outpouring of God’s Spirit and the good news of Salvation through Jesus. The portion of prophecy between those two relevant verses has not been accomplished, but to that culture, what did apply was still true. The difference in applicability illustrates the difference between Peter’s culture and post-Renaissance thinking. What Peter is explaining is a new phenomenon: the gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church. As the Expositor’s Bible Commentary writes:

His use of the Joel passage is in line with what since the discovery of the DSS we have learned to call a "pesher" (from Heb. peser, "interpretation"). It lays all emphasis on fulfillment without attempting to exegete the details of the biblical prophecy it "interprets."

Some scholars would relegate the broader aspects of the Day of the Lord which Peter is not specifically addressing to the past. Two facts of Bible prophecy contradict the Amillennial or Post-Millennial notion of taking these events; the blood, fire and smoke on the one hand, and the Sun/moon/star event on the other as a “spiritual” condition which happen in the first century A.D.

The first fact is that Jesus pegs the Sun/moon/star event which is associated with the Day of the Lord throughout the Old Testament (the Scripture in His time) to the very time when He would return. Jesus had not returned at that instant when Peter made his pronouncement of fulfillment pertaining to Joel 2, but had fulfilled the specific promise He made to the Disciples in John 16. This then was the start of the last age: the Church age, and it was significant because something new had begun.

Secondly, in differentiating the spiritual Israel from the natural Israel in Chapter One, some of the Old Testament prophecy which indicated another people of God who would come to Him is joined by another Old Testament prophecy which actually spells out a time period for the Church age.

HOS 6:1 "Come, let us return to the LORD.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
HOS 6:2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.

Not only does this passage in Hosea allow for a two thousand year (two days) for the Church before God again turns His attention towards natural Israel, but it also predicts the purpose of the Millennium.

In this aspect of the Spiritual Israel, the Festival of Firstfruits begins the Church. This is an extremely important event in the unfolding of God’s Plan of Salvation. Peter and others are the very first of the Church. Going to the other end of the two days as Hosea called them, Paul says the end will come with the Last Trumpet. That specific trumpet is associated with Rosh ha-Shanah in the fall. These two similar Festivals act as bookends to the summer growing season. In figurative fashion from an eschatological view, they act as bookends to the two thousand year growing season of the Church.

So in introduction, having quoted a section of Joel which includes more than one event, Peter is not saying the Day of the Lord with its seminal sun/moon/star event has taken place. He is proclaiming the beginning of a new age though: the Church age. It is within this passage in Joel which does have a near-term fulfillment on the Day of Pentecost on the Festival of Firstfruits. Prophecy can have a near-term and a far-term aspect to it. This does not preclude a similar pouring out of God’s Spirit in the end-times; indeed, it even points to it as a far-term condition coincidental with the Day of the Lord. After all, God’s signature of miracles marks His influence in events and God does speak through His Church. Christians should expect His influence in the Church as the end-times unfolds.

 

[keras]

According to Marcus, the Day of The Lord will be a two Day event. He says the Lord will Return first, then execute His wrath.

I would like him to explain how Jesus Returns with His garments splashed in blood, before He has poured out His wrath. Read Isaiah 63:1-6 and see how He tramples the nations - no one helps Him then, whereas He has the armies of heaven with Him at the Return.

I do agree with your Day of the Lord - Past or Future chapter, that corrects the mistake of thinking all of Joel 2:28-32 was fulfilled then.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

According to Marcus, the Day of The Lord will be a two Day event.

You don't read very carefully. As Western man would count it, we could very well say a 24 hour period is two days: i.e., Tuesday night as it is here now, going into Wednesday tomorrow. The Hebrews would count it as one day because they begin their day at sundown. In my paper on Rosh ha-Shannah, I went over the two-day Holy Day as it was observed and is still celebrated. The rabbis refer to Rosh ha-Shannah as one long Holy Day. They take care not to have it line up with Saturday so that there are three Sabbath days in a row. So try to at least study the material you are trying so hard to disprove before making superficial criticisms of it.

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Blood, Fire, and Smoke
The Second Half of the Day of the Lord​

JOEL 2:30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.

Blood, fire, and smoke figure prominently in Old Testament Wrath on the Day of the Lord. These elements were not present when Peter addressed the Jews in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost. They do fit in quite neatly, however with end-time events which are stated in sequence order after the Harvest. Parts each occur in two parallel accounts within Revelation. The holistic approach taken with a literal interpretation for these calamities, or desolations, can be shown to be plausible.

One of the problems with developing a holistic eschatology is time. Most forms assume a quick end because of the nature of Scripture which seemingly calls for the end of the anti-Christ when Jesus returns. However, in the first level of examination, 2nd Thessalonians’ Greek only determines that Jesus will do that as shown in chapter 7. The second level of examination confirms this: the first Woe alone takes five months so some time is necessary just to agree with Scripture. The Bowl Judgments come last. Having some time for the Bowl Judgments is also required. It is hardly debilitating to have heat and a lack of water for a few minutes, but prolong that for hours or even a few days and it becomes extremely effective as a punishment. Likewise, the Bowl Judgments cannot go on too long or they would completely kill all and no one would be able to assemble at the final battle. Thus, the desolations cannot be evenly spaced either, each has to has its own time to develop and exact its revenge upon an unrepentant people.

If, as suggested by the sequence of events, the Rapture occurs at some nebulous point (and conjecture would suggest weeks or a few months after the midpoint for the Great Tribulation to decimate the Elect), how much time transpires until the end is poured out upon the ‘desolator?’ The desolations would as a matter of necessity have to fill up the remaining three plus years culminating with the Bowl Judgments. The idea here is that the desolations are not equal in time; they start out with great effect and continue to come at the earth in greater frequency. Just as the world recovers from one, another is upon it. There will be no rest for the wicked.

After the first shock of Christ’s parousia on the Day of the Lord, the world would be left ablaze. The damage from this terrible Day would be staggering. Whole portions of the earth would be wiped out by fire while others would be covered from the ash fallout from “mountains smoking.” The whole ecosystem of agriculture of the United States could be ruined, and the power grid would be overloaded to failure with an eruption of the caldera at Yellowstone for instance. Multiplied by continent, while a third is burned, the other two-thirds are not unaffected. Recovering from this onslaught would be slow and arduous. Thus, no other desolation is required for a while. Indeed, as will be shown, the desolation done just by the first Trumpet could affect the world for a substantially long time without any other desolation required to make life unbearable.

If Jesus comes as a thief to steal God’s people, another thing God might do is to rob the wicked of any respite. As the desolations become more deadly, their frequency would increase so that no one desolation would have its effect be prolonged so long as to wipe out the wicked completely. The Bowl Judgments, coming last, may well be a quickening pace because their devastation is total so that its effect is felt even more so, and so could not be sustained as long. A thought here is that the First Trumpet, coming on the Day of the Lord and so fulfilling prophecy immediately, might be of such a degree to disable, that its desired affect outlasts the initial onslaught. Thus, the earth would be reeling like a drunkard long afterwards and the Second Trumpet only sounds when the earth is poised to recover. As an idea, the timing of God’s Wrath need not be quickly accomplished, nor even evenly spaced out.

Blood

REV 14:17 Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." 19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Immediately after the Harvest, a second angel appears. This angel differs from the angels assisting in the Harvest. This angel is not coming from the clouds as Jesus does, but comes from out of God’s Temple in Heaven. The desolations God has decreed are stored on the Scroll. The Scroll is in the Temple. Thus, God’s Wrath emanates out from the Temple. Likewise, this angel fulfills part of the Day of the Lord Wrath prophecy that blood will flow.
While God appoints tasks to others, the origin for all of God’s actions rests with the Father. This holds true with the Gospel. While Jesus’ body was Salvation, as the Great Multitude proclaim in God’s Temple: “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb.” It was on the Father’s authority and will that Jesus laid down His life. So in the same manner that God’s servants do His Will, this angel is carrying out part of God’s plans.

Blood has a dual element to it, it both defiles and redeems. In Lev 19:26, it is a sin to eat meat with the blood still in it, and in Dt 12:23, eating blood is explicitly outlawed. In Num 35:33-34, bloodshed defiles the land. Showing the redeeming power of blood and the reason for the proscription against eating it or shedding innocent blood, in Lev 17:11 God states that blood not only is the life force of a creature, but it is provided so as to be able to make an atoning sacrifice. Interestingly enough, the verb ga’al (Strong’s’ 1350/1351) has a dual meaning in the Hebrew both to redeem and to defile ―TWOT p. 144-5. As the shedding of innocent blood defiles the land, and the land can only be washed clean with the blood of those who shed it, so too will the blood on the Day of the Lord act as a scourge yet also it acts to wash the land of Israel clean.

There are two sources of conflict which will contribute to the amount of blood. The first is a battle around Jerusalem, the second in the Valley of Decision associated with Jehoshaphat, which scholars place near Bethlehem. And as Revelation 14 speaks of winepresses, so too does Isaiah.

Isa 63:2 Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like the one who treads in the wine press?
63:3 “I have trodden the wine trough alone,
And from the peoples there was no man with Me.
I also trod them in My anger
And trampled them in My wrath;
And their lifeblood is sprinkled on My garments,
And I stained all My raiment.
63:4 'For the day of vengeance was in My heart,
And My year of redemption has come.

Here the Lord, Jesus, is speaking of having trampled out His wrath. But more interestingly than not, in verse 4, He terms this, as is said in Isaiah 62:1, as His day of vengeance - but He also terms it as His year of redemption has already come before His Heart was enraged from the iniquity of the injustice down in the Land. The third time Christians can be termed to have been 'saved' is when they are made alive eternally. This is also shown in the next verse and following in Isaiah 63:

5 “I looked, and there was no one to help,
And I was astonished and there was no one to uphold;
So My own arm brought salvation to Me,
And My wrath upheld Me.

It is the Lord who harvests the earth, and then His Wrath goes forth. That same example of rescue / wrath as evident with Noah and Lot is repeated here again in Isaiah 63:

9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
And the angel of His presence saved them;
In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them,
And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old.
63:10 But they rebelled
And grieved His Holy Spirit;
Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy,
He fought against them.

While Isaiah overall does not lay out long linear narratives of events, there are two interesting aspects here in one-two fashion. In verse 9 there is a thumbnail sketch of Christ's redeeming sacrifice which culminates with the Rapture: lifting them and carrying them "all the days of old" just as the wheat is taken to the barn of Heaven first. Secondly those who refused the free offer of salvation and are rebellious, not forsaking their sins nor repenting of their evil ways, are His enemy and He fights against them. These are the wicked, the tares who are to burned in this world.

Fire

REV 8:7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

Fire is an integral part of the end times. Peter’s view consisted of fire burning everything. In a manner of speaking in an observer-true point-of-view, fire revolves around Jesus’ parousia on the second half of the Day of the Lord, so much so that it could be said to burn everything, but that is not exactly what Peter says:

2PE 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

This is part of the scourging God through Jesus will do within Israel. God is going to stamp out the wickedness within the Land.

ISA 5:24 Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw
and as dry grass sinks down in the flames,
so their roots will decay
and their flowers blow away like dust;
for they have rejected the law of the LORD Almighty
and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.
ISA 5:25 Therefore the LORD's anger burns against his people;
his hand is raised and he strikes them down.
The mountains shake,
and the dead bodies are like refuse in the streets.

Unlike past calamities which commentaries reference for verse 25, on the first half of the Day of the Lord, God has shaken the mountains twice and dead bodies laying in the streets may refer to the bodies which are scattered all over in Amos 8:3. More likely however, the dead bodies result from the avenging Angel who reaps the grapes for the winepress. In this passage, that literally will have come to pass. On the second half of the Day of the Lord, God is striking unrepentant, and indeed, disobedient Israel, first of all, but not only them.

In addition to the rebellious Jews who did not mourn the travesties that occurred during the Great Tribulation, there are the wicked who occupy Israel in the wake of the Northern invasion: its army. The point that the Day of the Lord is terrible for Israel does not absolve either the forces of the North of God’s Wrath, nor does it exclude Israel’s ancient enemies who oppose the King of the North: Islam. Both of these people will share in God’s Wrath to be sure. However, special attention is paid to Israel because as Zechariah declares in 12:9, God is going to use Israel to smash the nations.

Here is how Jesus walks upon the earth on the second half of the Day of the Lord.

PS 21:9 At the time of your appearing
you will make them like a fiery furnace.
In his wrath the LORD will swallow them up,
and his fire will consume them.
PS 50:3 Our God comes and will not be silent;
a fire devours before him,
and around him a tempest rages.
PS 97:3 Fire goes before him
and consumes his foes on every side.
PS 97:5 The mountains melt like wax before the LORD,
before the Lord of all the earth.

ISA 66:15 See, the LORD is coming with fire,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
ISA 66:16 For with fire and with his sword
the LORD will execute judgment upon all men,
and many will be those slain by the LORD.

JOEL 2:3 Before them fire devours,
behind them a flame blazes.

Not to leave out the King of the North, in reference to the Gog/Magog war Ezekiel wrote:

EZE 39:6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the LORD.

Smoke

PS 104:31 May the glory of the LORD endure forever;
may the LORD rejoice in his works--
PS 104:32 he who looks at the earth, and it trembles,
who touches the mountains, and they smoke.

PS 144:5 Part your heavens, O LORD, and come down;
touch the mountains, so that they smoke.

ISA 30:27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar,
with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke;
his lips are full of wrath,
and his tongue is a consuming fire.

One source of smoke will be the fire which destroys a third of the earth, but in Psalms, another source is found in the earth itself: mountains will smoke. The Psalms here are of a special nature; unlike most of the Psalms, they are of a prophetic nature. Along with Isaiah’s context of the “Name of the LORD” coming with wrath which also has dense clouds of smoke, the two Psalm verses are the only ‘smoke’ verses to carry such an end-time overshadowing.

The first is in the context of having the earth tremble, and in the context of the two earthquakes which occur on the Day of the Lord’s first half to open that Day and then when Jesus touches down, comes in sequence order afterward. In Psalm 144, the part in the Heavens may aptly describe the dimensional rift Jesus opens up in the night sky to reveal the Spiritual realm of Heaven which surrounds us. Following that in sequence fashion again, Jesus comes down and touches the mountains so that they smoke.

How would mountains smoke? They would just as Mount St. Helens smoked; an eruption of smoke and ash would come forth. While not strictly smoke, the effect is the same: choking particles suspended in the air make breathing difficult if not impossible. Indeed, scientists warn us in apocalyptic fashion to expect horrendous volcanic eruptions. One such warning surrounds the Yellowstone caldera in Wyoming, USA. If that super-volcano blows, scientists project its plume would wipe out most of the Midwest’s farm crops and short-circuit the United State’s electrical grid. What’s more, that would be a catastrophe of Biblical proportions.

Just as the sixth Seal brings about the sun/moon/star event which heralds the Day of the Lord as a signature sign, which then sees the arrival in the Temple of God the Father of the Great Multitude who come out of the Great Tribulation, has in turn, the seventh Seal broken which finally allows the Scroll to be read; and the first aspect of God’s Wrath comes forth as the Trumpet Judgment of fire ― so too after the Harvest of the Elect on the first half of the Day of the Lord does fire follow after on the second half of the Day of the Lord as part of God’s Wrath.

Likewise in the parallel account within Revelation of chapters 13 through 16 inclusive does the Harvest follow the midpoint abomination with Jesus reaping it with a sickle from the clouds does an Angel proceed out of the Temple with a sickle to reap the earth, but unlike the Harvest, this reaping is done to add to God’s Wrath.

Fire and Blood are set in the two parallel accounts in Revelation after the Harvest is brought into the barn of God’s Temple. Since both are part of Old Testament Day of the Lord Wrath, the conclusion herein states that the Day of the Lord is two-fold and happens literally on two successive days as counted by Western man. Having additional desolations whereby mountains smoke are brought about by the Lord, then completes the three elements of Joel 2:30.

Fire from the first Trumpet not only cleanses, but destroys, and what is more, its effect lasts longer than its active burning. With cataclysmic eruptions joining the third of the earth which is burned up together they would affect not only civilized societies’ reliance upon electrical power but all nations would be affected by a shortage of edible crops for far longer than the fires and eruptions would rage. This one-two punch means that the earth might be staggering for as much as a year or a year and a half. The adversity the wicked would experience would mirror the real distress Christians felt when they could not buy or sell during the Great Tribulation because they might not be much of real substance to be had when there is no food. And without power, the wicked would have to live in darkness and be subject to heat and cold like Christians were as well when they could not buy the power people use to live comfortably.

The first Trumpet Judgment is interwoven with the second half of the Day of the Lord Wrath. Its fire is an essential ingredient in God’s Wrath of that Day. That desolation alone could consume quite a bit of time before the wicked recover, and it would be just recompense for the injustice the Elect had just suffered through.

Oddly enough, some self-deceiving, and self-proclaimed “Christians,” who failed the test of faith and took the Mark of the Beast so as to be able to eat and shelter their families during the Great Tribulation, and so were not counted among the Elect, will have to endure what they sought to escape. Ironically, not only will they suffer likewise, and while they will have no ultimate respite that the martyrs enjoy, their pain is more: having had a glimpse of Heaven in their failed faith, they will feel the pain of damnation multiplied by the loss of what they might have had with eternal life.

no one helps Him then, whereas He has the armies of heaven with Him at the Return.

That is not exactly what the text says.

In Isaiah 63:3 - there is no man to help him. Indeed, in God's Wrath, no human power is needed. The 144,000 are "sealed" which suggests a process that also transforms them to heavenly attributes so that they can go wherever the Lamb goes.

In Isaiah 63:5 - the reference is not entirely clear as to if the help were needed in bringing forth salvation or wrath. As already qualified that no human power is able to assist the Lord, to say this repetition of the Lord trampling out His Wrath means no aid is given so it conflicts with Joel 2:11; then would demand under an ultra-literal interpretation two tramplings of the Lord on His Day: one alone and one with His Army.

The point of the Day of the Lord is that it is Jesus who is acting. He alone can do it. That God is secure in His Power to share it as even we will sit on the Throne - Rev 3:21 - means that as He leads, others can follow in His stead. The Master works the field through His workers.

 

[keras]

Quote Marcus;
You don't read very carefully. As Western man would count it, we could very well say a 24 hour period is two days: i.e., Tuesday night as it is here now, going into Wednesday tomorrow. The Hebrews would count it as one day because they begin their day at sundown. In my paper on Rosh ha-Shannah, I went over the two-day Holy Day as it was observed and is still celebrated. The rabbis refer to Rosh ha-Shannah as one long Holy Day. They take care not to have it line up with Saturday so that there are three Sabbath days in a row. So try to at least study the material you are trying so hard to disprove before making superficial criticisms of it. Quote

You avoid my question; How come the Lord Returns with His garments already blood splashed? Rev 19:13
I don't disagree with a 2 Day scenario at Rosh Hashanah, that wasn't what asked about. So try to answer what you are asked, instead of dodging the issue.

I regard your view of Isaiah 63:1-6, as a poor attempt to squeeze out of a clear passage, your interpretation to suit the theory of a Day of Return & Wrath, that isn't prophesied as such anywhere.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Silly man. Jesus does not return from Heaven to the earth to commence the Day of the Lord with His robes drenched in blood. The question poised to Him is as He returns from the earth to Heaven having tread the winepress on the Day of the Lord.

 

[keras]

So you 'blind man', Isaiah 29:9-12, your reply is very unsatisfactory.
I presume you mean the 'winepress of God's wrath' in Rev. 14:18-20? Note in Rev. 14:8.....Fallen is Babylon [the godless nations] who has made all the nations drink the wine of God's anger...

But Rev 14:1-7 tells again about the 144.000, who we see in Rev. 7, are selected soon after the Sixth Seal event. It is them who go out the nations to proclaim the 'eternal Gospel', of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19 Those who refuse the message will get the full force of the 7 Bowl punishments, Rev.15:5-8 & 16:1-21
THEN - NOTE WELL; Rev 15:1...the wrath of god was completed.

AFTER the false religion is destroyed, Rev 17, AFTER Babylon is destroyed, Rev 18, Jesus will Return , Rev 19.
Although Rev 19:15 again mentions the 'winepress of God's wrath', we know His wrath was completed with the seven bowls and Jesus simply destroys the armies of the Anti-Christ by the sword of His Word.

It is undeniable that Jesus DOES Return in garments splashed in blood, this totally, utterly and completely refutes the Day of vengeance being the same Day as the Return.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

So you 'blind man', Isaiah 29:9-12, your reply is very unsatisfactory.

It's not meant to make you happy, it is meant to show you something. The fact that Isaiah 63:9 & 10 show a pattern of Rescue-then-Wrath which is repeated twice in the book of Revelation, ought to have you reexamine your own eschatological tenets. Instead you double down on ypur opinion with comptempt for investigation. Such an approach cannot help but keep a man in ignorance.

I presume you mean the 'winepress of God's wrath' in Rev. 14:18-20? Note in Rev. 14:8.....Fallen is Babylon [the godless nations] who has made all the nations drink the wine of God's anger... But Rev 14:1-7 tells again about the 144.000, who we see in Rev. 7, are selected soon after the Sixth Seal event.

The proclamation by one of the three Angels, who are placed sequentially between the mustering of the 144,000 and the Harvest, is in the Aorist tense. Along with all the shades of meaning which accompany pipto in the Greek, it is hardly a statement that God's Wrath is complete at that verse. The Aorist tense refers to a summary event without stating the time it takes to perform it. Babylon, then, will certainly come to an end; its destiny being foretold. But at this point within this point within the book of Revelations' parallel account of just the one ''seven' in chapters 13 through 16, God's Wrath has yet to be announced.

Likewise, the very message of the three Angels explain why the wicked know they are doomed with the sun/moon/star event of the sixth Seal in the broad overview of the end given in the Seal / Scroll Chronology of Revelation's chapters 4 through 11 (exclusive of 11:1-13).

Furthermore, rather than denote the end of the one 'seven', the first Angel completes Jesus' prophecy that the Gospel must be preached to all men before the end of the (Church) age. It is the last chance for Salvation before He comes for the Elect.

It is them (the 144,000) who go out the nations to proclaim the 'eternal Gospel', of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19

This statement of yours is demonstrably false.

A fact about the 144,000 is stated in Revelation 14:4:

These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they fnhave kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.

The 144,000 are not missionaries nor are they like LDS "Elders" going out two by two to convert the Jews.

THEN - NOTE WELL; Rev 15:1...the wrath of god was completed.

This is why I don't like your "teaching".

Rev 15:1 does NOT say God's Wrath was completed, but that it will be completed with the seven Bowl Judgments. At this particular place, none of the Bowl Judgments have been delineated; ergo, logically, God's Wrath has not yet been completed merely by taking a portion of what John rightfully concludes is about to happen and twisting the Bible to make it say what you want it to say!

Shame on you for falsely teaching. I hope none follow you in your folly.

AFTER the false religion is destroyed, Rev 17, AFTER Babylon is destroyed, Rev 18, Jesus will Return , Rev 19.

Again, I say you are in error.

The book of Recelation cannot be read like a novel. It is a series of visions, or narratives.

Chapters 17 and 18 are explanatory and are as a side note to the main action. Chapter 19 repeats the story of the end begun in chapter 16, but it does so before the ultimate end at Armageddon. It supplies additional information about the end and then carries the narrative forward past the end of the one 'seven' found in chapter 16.

Revelation chapter 18 does not spell out Jesus' parousia; it details the ultimate end of man's rule, begun in Babylon and ending with its final rendition at the end of this age.

It is undeniable that Jesus DOES Return in garments splashed in blood, this totally, utterly and completely refutes the Day of vengeance being the same Day as the Return.

I deny your statement, thus laughing at your idea it is undeniable!

Jesus returns to the Father in Heaven after the Day of the Lord has been done on the earth.

He is drenched in the blood of men slaughtered in the battles that are said to rage on that Day.

It is your error in insisting that He comes from Heaven to the earth already drenched in blood.

Isaiah 63:1-10 is not the only time that Isaiah relates personal conversation between Father and Son. Viewed in this way, we can see the reason for the action and so we might have some insight into God's Plan.

 

[keras]

Marcus, you are right, the wrath of God is completed after the Bowls are poured out.. But this only denotes the destruction of Babylon and the gathering of Satan's armies at Armageddon. Rev 16:12-18
Then in Rev 17 One of the angels who had one of the Seven Bowls, said: Come I will show you what will happen to the great whore....
Rev. 19:2b...He has taken vengeance on the great whore for the blood of His servants.....
All BEFORE the Return in Rev 19:11

However it is your pathetic explanation of how Jesus can come down, get splattered with blood, then gets on His white horse in the clouds ......that proves your error.
Then you incredibly state Jesus immediately goes back to the Father!

Not likely will I 'view any prophecy in your way'. I sure others can see by now how the Wrath of God just doesn't happen at the Return. It all takes place before that glorious event, starting with the Sixth seal, a worldwide disaster - triggered by an attack on Israel; the Psalm 83 event. Then after the leader of the One world govt makes a treaty with New Israel and breaks it at the mid point, will the Trumpet and Bowl punishments take place. All as the sequence as given in Revelation, no need to shift anything around.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

It's weird when I put up the sequence of events as laid out in linear narratives how people will scream: "You're wrong!" but hardly ever do they say where and even less can quote chapter and verse to show the error they claim!

What I have observed is that they protest because what is laid out in parallel and multiple accounts conflicts with their preconceived notions of how the end shall be!

When I refute their protestations, I am specific and I quote chapter and verse.

Then in Rev 17 One of the angels who had one of the Seven Bowls, said: Come I will show you what will happen to the great whore....
Rev. 19:2b...He has taken vengeance on the great whore for the blood of His servants.....
All BEFORE the Return in Rev 19:11

Revelation is comprised of parallel accounts. It cannot be read like a novel. If you do so, you're going to confuse yourself because some events are repeated, like the five times half of the one 'seven' is mentioned in just three chapters (11, 12, and 13) and the three "ends" of the one 'seven' with its Great Earthquake.

Being carried off to a different location, marks a break in the scene. The focus changes too to a woman on a beast. Whenever you see a change of both scene and focus, look for parallel construction. Chapter 17 does not "follow" 16 nor does it precede 19 where a new linear narrative begins with a change of both scene and focus.

Rev 17:8. “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss." Remember one of the ends of the one is mentioned at the conclusion of chapter 16. Yet, in this vision, the beast is still alive. This replay of events confirms a parallel construction to the passage in question.

However it is your pathetic explanation of how Jesus can come down, get splattered with blood, then gets on His white horse in the clouds ......that proves your error.
Then you incredibly state Jesus immediately goes back to the Father!

This is almost funny.

What keras is really protesting is not the exegesis of a verse or passage, but a precept which does not comport with his own peculiar brand of thinking which insists a coronal mass ejection (like the one we had this week) can burn a third of the earth.

Rescue-then-Wrath is found IN the Bible. (You just won't find Keras saying it.)

In the broad overview of the end in the Seal / Scroll Chronolgy of Revelation chapters 4-11 (exclusive of 11:1-14), the preceding sign for the Day of the Lord commences with the breaking of the sixth Seal. Following that, is the mustering of the 144,000 and the arrival of the Great Multitude in Heaven! AFTER that, with the opening of the Scroll by breaking its seventh seal, is the Wrath of God which has two of the three components for the Day of the Lord's Wrath: fire and blood. (The mountains will smoke too, but smoke also comes naturally from fire, thus all three elements are present.)

In the companion, detailed parallel account of just the one 'seven' in Revelation chapters 13-16, we see: the first half of the one 'seven', the midpoint abomination, two laws that make the Great Tribulation so terrible (for Christians), the mustering of the 144,000 (which matches the sixth Seal), three Angels (which explains why the wicked hiding with the sun/moon/star event of the sixth Seal are hiding), and then Jesus coming on the clouds to Harvest us. AFTER that, two Angels proceed to charge the winepress of God's Wratb with blood and they will have fire - the same as the first Trumpet's desolations - and that's not just a coincidence!

Rescue-then-Wrath. That is the lesson Jesus gave us with Noah and Lot.

But to say Jesus is "stuck" on the earth following this is belied by Jesus' mobility as expressed in Rev 14:4 and expounded upon here:
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/20849-the-day-of-the-lord-is-at-hand-for-all-the-nations/?p=244660

Isaiah 63:9-10 also shows Jesus in a personal conversation detailing the same sequence of Rescue-then-Wrath.

There are three examples which show our redemption being followed post haste by rightful retribution.

the Wrath of God just doesn't happen at the Return. It all takes place before that glorious event, starting with the Sixth seal, a worldwide disaster - triggered by an attack on Israel; the Psalm 83 event.

Error!

There is NO MENTION of any particular desolation which befalls mankind of Biblical proportions. What you have with the sixth Seal are the ignorant wicked, worried about their own skin, hiding in caves, because they just heard an Angel tell them God is coming for them.

Furthermore, Paul says we are not meant for Wrath. It would be an injustice to punish those proclaimed not-guilty by their justification through Christ Jesus.

Further still, the attack on Israel is in response to her dropping a nuke, which leads to the Gog/Magog invasion depositing the anti-Christ around Jerusalem on the eve of the midpoint as covered in Revelation 13.

Then after the leader of the One world govt makes a treaty with New Israel and breaks it at the mid point, will the Trumpet and Bowl punishments take place. All as the sequence as given in Revelation, no need to shift anything around.

Error again!

It is the false prophet (who is in cohoots the anti-Christ) who "breaks" the treaty by dropping the nuke. The Gog/Magog invasion is the response. This invasion sets the anti-Christ at Jerusalem, whereby he is presented with a "gift", and animated idol who speaks! This is the abomination which quickly on wing comes with the desolator - the anti-Christ.

The Trumpet and Bowl Judgments DO NOT take place then! The Great Tribulation does!

God the Father will abruptly end the Great Tribulation (at an unknown time) with the sixth Seal' Day of the Lord. This ushers in our Rescue, which is then followed by God's Wrath!

And as I have shown in my outlines sequencing various linear narratives together around specific and unique events, this is a consistent order within the Bible. It is not consisent with most eschatologies.

 

[keras]

Marcus O'Reillius,
Because of your confused and rather weird view of end times events, that neither I nor anyone can make head of tail of, I am withdrawing from discussing these issues with you. Do not think for a moment that I cannot refute you, I have done that many times and you just keep pushing your theories with more fanciful notions.
One thing I find puzzling, is how you as an aviator cannot see how a huge CME can [and WILL] cause all the effects prophesied for the Lord's Day of wrath? Google; Carrington event.

Only on the great Day of the Lord's wrath, which will come like a thief, sudden and unexpectedly, will you finally understand.

But I am going to 'be about my Lord's work', that is: I am a volunteer on the Pacific Hope, a YWAM ship and may not be able to post for a while.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Rescue-then-Wrath in Prophecy​

The detail provided here for the Day of the Lord gives a picture of opposites in stark contrast. One of those components is the mission of the Day of the Lord. In the New Testament the Day of the Lord is attached to the final aspect of salvation: resurrection/rapture. Interestingly enough, without study, the nominal Christian might not even recognize the gathering up as occurring on this important prophetic date. Although Paul refers to it in conjunction with the gathering up, mostly the term is used in the Old Testament. Furthermore, that phrase’s overwhelming prophetic nature only spells out doom: God’s Wrath – not redemption. Thus, it is not universally recognized as the end of the Church Age, being largely neglected, just as eschatology is not the main teaching of the pulpit.

The disparity between the actions of rescue and wrath would seemingly dictate different days. However, the sequence of events given in Revelation’s sixth Seal to the first Trumpet and the Harvest-to-winepress analogy in the detailed parallel account of the one ‘seven’ in chapter 14 insists not only on a shorter timeframe, indeed, it suggests a single day as the only way to follow God’s Word which names both the Day of the Lord. Thus, despite the human nature to separate and simplify, a combined action in 1-2 action between rescue-then-wrath eschatology must be followed to comport with the sequence-of-events in the Bible.

To cover it again, in the Seal/Scroll Chronology, after the Great Multitude arrive in Heaven, the seventh Seal is broken, opening up the Scroll which contains God’s Wrath. The first Trumpet supplies two of the three elements associated with the Day of the Lord, and the first contributes to the third one mentioned: smoke. The time between the sixth Seal and the Seventh’s breaking is not given, however, for a “Day”, the time frame here would be short.

While some time can be argued for the buildup to the end-times in the first four Seals to take the earth from an agricultural society where change is measured in centuries to a post-industrial computerized world where control can be exercised in real time and the end can come quickly; so too could that be argued here. But then, a lengthy time between the sixth and seventh Seal would necessitate two sun/moon/star events and two Days of the Lord. This would go against a plain reading of the term, ‘day’, and the sign preceding it. So while linear human time may be absent in the Heavenly account John gives to the first four Seals, a shorter timeframe even from John’s Heavenly account would be called for once the Elect are taken out of the Great Tribulation. In such a view, God rescues the Elect and then can turn His Wrath unto the Wicked in a single day.

Likewise, in the parallel account of the Rise and Fall of the anti-Christ in Revelation chapters 13 through 16 inclusive, likewise God’s Wrath follows the Harvest which rescues the Elect from the earth. The avenging Angel is sequenced after the earth is reaped of her Harvest. This Angel is joined by another who has command of fire, the element present in the first Trumpet of the Seal/Scroll Chronology. Here, John goes from the sickle of the Harvest to the sickle of the winepress in adjoining sentences. This too suggests a lessor timeframe with one coming on the heels of the other.

A legitimate question might center on why rescue-then-wrath is absent in Jesus’ most important eschatological discourse in Matthew 24. The point offered herein is that wrath is not applicable to the Church nor was it asked of Jesus. So Jesus in answering says not when the Temple will be torn down, but when the Church is removed from this world. Indeed, in expounding upon that keystone passage, He gives two parables and then adds the next time the Church meets the world: the second Resurrection in Mt 25:31. This bookends the intervening gap of God’s Wrath and the Millennium and sums up the total separation of Gentile and Jews, now united in Christ, to the world which is doomed to destruction.

This bookend interaction of the Church to the world in the Olivet Discourse is in alignment with Jesus’ parable of the wheat and the tares and the second parable of the fish in Matthew chapter 13. In this example of seemingly different methods to the realm of Heaven, often confused too, they refer to different gatherings. The first Resurrection is only for the Living and it is a selective calling of the wheat with the tares, which are gathered together (but not taken to receive their inheritance) to be burned in the field. The second Resurrection, then, is the total gathering of both, and they then must be separated. This is in alignment with the end of the first Resurrection in Revelation 20:4 and the division between Holy and Wicked in Revelation 20:11-15.

So from Revelation’s two accounts sequencing the end as rescue-then-wrath, Isaiah 63 fits perfectly. Viewed as a personal interaction between Father and Son, it explains the two aspects of Isaiah 61:2 as having come: the year of redemption and the day of vengeance. Here Jesus is returning to the Father having accomplished His Work on the Day of the Lord. It explains why Jesus has turned against His Chosen People and concludes with the Remnant searching for the Lord. This view centers on natural Israel and does not include much of the Church at all except to mention redemption, but it does allow the turn of heart of natural Israel, now chastised by the Lord, back to the Lord. This repentance is a stark contrast to the wicked who will not repent even in the face of worse consequence for themselves by way of God’s desolations of Wrath.

 

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The Day of the Lord is not at hand.

Your quotes and basic approach are mostly sound. The 'day', as it were, has obviously not happened. That much is certain. When it arrives it will be in all the papers.

I believe the season of judgment, the weighing of purpose of nations and the hearts of men has indeed arrived. The signs are everywhere. One cannot perform any sort of search without having his results provide links to hundreds of sermons and justifications as to why disaster is nearly upon us. One cannot travel outside the US without seeing the effect with his own eyes. There is trouble and rumors of trouble everywhere.

The problem in the church is that preachers are notoriously lagging in their message with regard to current events. It's been that way for most of the twentieth century. Those who do attempt to speak and work beyond their moment in time generally touch a nerve and affect society deeply. Unfortunately most are too secure with their position to make the attempt, choosing instead to preach the empty gospel of contentedness and faith in the American system (which is rapidly coming apart at the seams).

"If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the public press lacks moral discernment, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the world loses its interest in Christianity, the pulpit is responsible for it. If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it. If our politics become so corrupt that their very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it."
- Charles Finney

Thus have we been led like sheep to the slaughter. Debauchery and treachery are all around us, yet we prefer to look the other way. Instead of rising to action, we remain passive and disorganized. We do nothing.

And so the season of divine judgment is upon us. When man refuses, for whatever reason, to live and act rightly God steps in to take a hand. When He does that, things change permanently and the change is not pleasant. The DAY will come when the sins of man - and America - have reached a point when God can no longer hold back.

That 'point', that weight of sin, is almost but not quite at the tipping point. The signs are everywhere and even those who do not accept the gospel of Christ believe we are almost, almost, almost there. Search and look for yourself. The phrase 'tipping point' is everywhere. It is a reference to scales of measurement. What do you suppose the just scales of Heaven are measuring?

It is therefore the task of everyone who calls himself by the name of Christ to shed his pet sins and habits. It is time to put them away like the broken toys of childhood and to assume the stature of those who reject sin in themselves, in their actions, in their mental fantasies and EVEN IN THEIR DREAMS. True holiness begins within.

Christ WILL return suddenly. Will the reader be ready?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[keras]

RJP; don't you think it would be nice to have a fair idea of what the Day of the Lord's wrath will be and how it will affect everyone? Luke 21:34-35

From your post above, it seems you think the next event will be the Return. From the book of Revelation, we have the information that much must happen before that glorious event.
You are right in that the next prophesied event will come suddenly.
Isaiah 29:5b-6... Suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with thunder, earthquakes and great noise, with tempest and flames of devouring fire.

This worldwide disaster is not what Jesus will do at His Return, why destroy the earth then? No, it is the judgement/punishment of the nations, not individuals, as God will do at the end of the Millennium.
It will be the fulfilment of Matthew 3:12, Psalm 110:5-6, Hab. 3:12 and Rev. 6:12-17 plus many other prophesies.
Only those who choose to believe false teachings or are in denial that God would do such a terrible thing as send fire onto the earth, can't see it coming. Remember God has done a similar thing when He flooded the earth and now we are again 'as in the days of Noah'.
Be warned and be prepared!

 

[keras]

[SIZE=medium]The Near Future of Planet Earth[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 10:1-4 Woe betide you who enact unjust laws and draft oppressive edicts, depriving the poor of justice and robbing My people of their rights. What will you do, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]when called to account, when[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]devastation from afar[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] confronts you? Where will you hide your riches and leave your children? Nothing will remain, but that you cringe among the captives or fall with the slain.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 9:16-17 Those who guide My people have led them astray and those who follow them are deluded. Therefore the Lord will show no mercy to the youths or pity the widows and fatherless. They are a nation of godless evildoers, everyone speaks impiety. For all this, His anger has not abated. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 9:18-19 The ungodly are set ablaze[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]like a fire it consumes the briars and thorns. It sets the forests ablaze and all is wrapped in a pall of smoke. The land is scorched by the fury of the Lord and the people will be fuel for the fire.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 8:9-10 Take note you nations: You will be shattered. Listen all you distant parts of the earth, arm yourselves and be defeated, prepare for battle and be shattered. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Devise your plans, but they will be foiled, prepare what you will, but it will not be carried out.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 10:17-19 The Light of Israel will be become a fire, their Holy One, a flame – which in one Day will [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]burn up and consume His thorns and briars[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. The beauty of the forests and pastures will be suddenly devastated and only a remnant will remain. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 13:9-13 The Day of the Lord is coming, that cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, a Day of darkness to [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]reduce the earth to a desolation[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and to destroy the wicked there. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]The Lord will punish the world for its evil, the wicked and proud peoples will be cut down[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. Humans will be as scarce as gold, as rare as the gold of Ophir. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]The sky will tear apart[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and the earth will be moved from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, on the Day of His blazing anger.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]These Bible prophecies say it all, how the unjust and godless peoples will be brought to account and how the ‘thorns and briars’[/SIZE], that is: those who despise the Lord’s people and attack them, will be punished. Ezekiel 28:24, Jeremiah 12:14
[SIZE=medium]This is prophesied to be carried out by the means of a terrible fire judgement – a coronal mass ejection from the sun: ‘tearing apart the sky’[/SIZE]. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1 that will ‘[SIZE=medium]reduce the earth to desolation’[/SIZE], and ‘[SIZE=medium]cut down all the proud and wicked peoples’[/SIZE]. Their plans against the Lord’s people will not be carried out. Deut. 32:22&34-35, Psalm 83:1-4, Psalm 7:12-16
[SIZE=medium]But, after this sudden and shocking event, those who love the Lord and keep His commandments, have His amazing promises of redemption and the restoration of the Holy Land, where they will gather and live in peace and security. Ezekiel 36:8, Jeremiah 33:12-13, Isaiah 66:12-13, Joel 2:21-24 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Is the Day the Lord ‘tears apart the sky and[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]reduces the earth to desolation’[/SIZE], the same Day of the Return in glory? No, these scriptures do not match with that event, this happens first in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs Psalm 105:5-10 and for the sake of His Holy Name. Ezekiel 36:22
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[Marcus O'Reillius]

Silly Boy. If you don't look for Rescue?Wrath - you won't find it.

Jesus comes for us in the Harvest first, then He returns to trample out His Wrath.

Rescue/Wrath can be found here:

Rescue Rev 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, " Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.

Wrath Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. 18 Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, " Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe." 19 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.

 

[Straightshot]

Response to the OP

It is ... no doubt [Psalms 2; Jude 1:14-15; Revelation 6:12-17]

 

[michaelvpardo]

Silly Boy. If you don't look for Rescue?Wrath - you won't find it.

Jesus comes for us in the Harvest first, then He returns to trample out His Wrath.

Rescue/Wrath can be found here:

Rescue Rev 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, " Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.

Wrath Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. 18 Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, " Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe." 19 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.

Thanks for pointing this out. I've read the verses many times without noticing what they say (or the difference). This makes a bit more sense of the things which the Lord had shown me about the 1st and 2nd resurrections.

This is not a popular perspective for Christians who want a neat, nice ending. However, from God’s perspective, there is no end; the new Heaven and the new Earth are eternal, unlike this present universe which has limited time for life on Earth. Those who are left behind, at least two in number: will not be forgotten by God; “The Lord knows those who are his” ― 2Ti 2:19. Their place in Heaven is reserved right beneath God’s Altar in His Temple. So when thinking about the Resurrection to come, the pattern set by God for Israel with harvesting a crop, also serves as a template for the Harvest Christians look forward to in the end. Of the three parts, the first has already been covered with the 144,000 being specified by the Bible as Firstfruits. The second part, the main Harvest which captures the most, occurs as well on the Day of the Lord. However, a third element needs to occur before the first Resurrection can be said to be complete.

One of my last readings of the book of the revelation gave me the impression that the "two witnesses" were the last to give God's testimony for the legal disposition of God's judgment. That is, the trial of the earth and its inhabitants is not a jury trial, but a legal presentation by the prosecutor, God, an intercession by a mediator on behalf of God's servants, also by God in the person of His Son, and a final judgment (or judgments) based upon a verdict passed by God after the deluge (time doesn't matter to Him, just to us.) So, when the last two witnesses have completed their testimony, God's testimony is complete and there is nothing left to say with regard to sin and rebellion prior to the establishment of the millennial kingdom. I apologize for not reading the entire thread, but did you already detail the third element mentioned above?

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

The third part of the First Resurrection from the grave to Heaven happens with the Martyrs being "made alive" after Satan has been entombed in the abyss for a thousand years in Revelation 20.

To recap the action beginning in chapter 19 of this parallel account within the book of Revelation, Jesus goes out to Armageddon. We know from the detailed parallel account of the Rise and Fall of the anti-Christ in chapters 13 through 16 that his Fall ends at Armageddon, which God has arranged. It is coincident with this end of the one 'seven', chronicled some four times in the book of Revelation, that the Two Witnesses are also killed and resurrected after lying in the streets three days.

So at the end of the one 'seven', the Two Witnesses complete the fifth Seal number of the Martyrs, and coming at the end, are the last. The previous Martyrs were clothed in righteousness (white linen) but had to wait until this time. So when they are all "made alive" after the one 'seven' is over, John now pronounces the First Resurrection (complete).

I had not thought of the Two Witnesses as you have described. I will have to consider that.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Chapter 10 Day of the Lord papers #1 & 2 here.
papers #3 &4 here.
papers #5 & 6 here.
papers #7 & 8 here.
papers #9 & 10 here.
papers #11 & 12 here.

Now onto Chapter 11 -

Resurrection and Rapture​

In terms of speaking of the Christian hope for the end of the Church age, the common word used is Rapture. However, that does not totally describe the process indicated in the Bible. Within the rescue or gathering of the Elect, another sequence-of-events can be discerned. This pattern generally fits two analogies Jesus uses for the time when He comes back for those that call on His Name.

Thank you for your labor. Your scenario makes more sense than most of the teaching that I've heard on the topic.
Besides being horrified at the thought of young children being decapitated, I'm wondering if these young "Arab" Christians currently being martyred by ISIS for refusing to denounce Jesus Christ aren't actual physical descendants of a part of the early relocations of the Northern tribes. But I suppose that we'd have to already be in the "Great Tribulation" for that to be true.

 

[ezekiel]

Revelation 16:12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Then

Revelation 9:13
And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Land mass are move from the places they are or relocated and satan comes to earth.


Revelation 6:12
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Then

Revelation 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Power grid goes down

Revelation 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

God destroys satan planet it will be in the northwest of heaven.

Revelation 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

The killing of Christians still going on

Revelation 16:8
And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Because the sun is heating because of the two other stars.

Revelation 8:12
And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Christ said He will need to shorten the days it will be from 24 hour to 16 hour day

Revelation 6:7
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Many dead from war and and starving

Revelation 16:4
And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

Getting hot

Revelation 8:10
And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of

Meteor

Post getting lond I will stop for now.