The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Earburner]

Your claim of "Unconcious" is 100% false, the rich man died and was in "Conscious" torment in the flame!

Luke 16:19-24KJV
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

It's a Parable! A semi fictitious story spoken to deliver a single truth.
In this particular parable, the only fact and truth to be learned, is found in KJV Luke 16 [31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Timtofly]

The KJV Scripture says the following, of which I have shown in great detail a few pages back.
Let's try again:

John 14
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another [G243-different form of] Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth [I AM... THE TRUTH]; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him [It is I myself]; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me:
because I live, ye shall live also.
[20] At that day [Pentacost-"I will come to you"]
ye shall know that
I am IN my Father, and
ye IN me, and
I in you. See Colossians 3:1-4, Revelation 3:20

[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE [my Father and I] will come unto him, and make OUR abode [G3438-dwelling place/mansion] with him. See John 14:2.

> One plus one equals two (1+1=2 or 2=1+1), which when together, are one.

Still not proof of 3 comings when there have been way more than your explicitly laid out interpretation. This is still a single interpretation among thousands.

 

[Timtofly]

The pit, or a pit, is in reference to a grave on the earth (H-sheol, G-hades/hell), the location of where the unconcious, non-living flesh and blood bodies of the human dead are placed.
Rev. 20[14] And death and hell [the graves, pits] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Satan is BOUND to this earth, having no way of escape from it whatsoever!! Therefore, he also will be "burned up", along WITH THIS present global earth.
Rev.20[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Luke.10[18] And he said unto them, I beheld [past tense] Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev.12[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
2 Peter 3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Yes, since our God is a consuming fire, it is very plain, and really quite simple!

Was the earth not burned up before Satan was bound, at the Second Coming?

 

[Earburner]

Still not proof of 3 comings when there have been way more than your explicitly laid out interpretation. This is still a single interpretation among thousands.

It's not rocket science, though "church-ianity" has made it so.
1. He came in the flesh to Israel.
2. He is now coming in the Spirit to each person.
3. He shall come from Heaven in His Immortality.

 

[Earburner]

Was the earth not burned up before Satan was bound, at the Second Coming?

The entirety of KJV Revelation 20 is a condensed view of the Age of God's Grace, by Christ's Resurrection, to the 3rd Coming of Christ, depicting God ending His Age of Grace, showing the results.

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Earburner]

Was the earth not burned up before Satan was bound, at the Second Coming?

Previously, I provided the three scriptures about the "strong man" (satan) and also of He who was the "Stronger" (Jesus).

Jesus proved that He was the Stronger, by "the power of His Resurrection", which is what the "strong man" could not do. Hence, the beginning of God's Age of Grace, the figurative 1000 years.

Jesus successfully obtained the victory over death, and since then, He has been Coming in the Spirit to all of us, inviting us all to take part in His Resurrection, of which He Himself is the first. Revelation 3:20, Revelation 20:6.

 

[Earburner]

Still not proof of 3 comings when there have been way more than your explicitly laid out interpretation. This is still a single interpretation among thousands.

How many ways shall I show it, so that you might overcome the errors that are in, and foisted by most of "church-ianity"?

Do you think that there is no reality of His Holy presence within you, by "the power of His resurrection", in His current 2nd Coming to each of us by His Spirit?
Think again, for Paul and Peter, thought it to be no small matter. KJV John 14:18, Romans 8:9, Philippians 3:10, 2 Peter 1:4.
Edit: Now put that all together with 1 John 5:12-13.
So, the reality of it is, through faith in Jesus, we NOW HAVE the Gift of His Eternal Life, and therefore all that we are waiting for, whether alive or dead, is to be made into the likeness of His Immortality.

 

[Earburner]

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Until one understands what the figurative 1000 years is all about, there will never be a correct understanding, concerning the Lord's sudden return from Heaven, in the Glory of His fiery immortality.

 

[Davy]

You missed my point, because you are determined to see Revelation as all in the future.

Of course that is a made-up lie you learned from your teachers. Not everything in Christ's Book of Revelation is future, but do actually have a future application, like Christ's Messages to the seven Churches in Asia. The 7 Messages were originally... given through Apostle John to those 7 physical Churches in Asia Minor. However, they ALL... are still in effect for ALL Churches today. Each Church is to look at them, and compare their Church with what Jesus said in them.

So MOST of Christ's Book of Revelation is STILL FUTURE to us. Some of it is happening RIGHT NOW today.

Ideas that the Book of Revelation is PAST HISTORY (excepting maybe Christ's future coming), is from men's doctrines of PRETERISM AND HISTORICISM, seminary doctrines the crept in unawares came up with long ago to deceive the gullible who seek advantage from this world and its status quo.

Do you not yet understand Isaiah 55:8-9 and Zechariah 4:6.
God thinks in the past, present and future, ALL at the same time, and delivered it as such through the prophets, including John.
Yeah, we can all read the words, but only by the mind of Christ, and Him revealing His truth to us, are we allowed to understand His meaning.

Sorry, don't need any vain lectures from you about God's Word, since you show you follow men's doctrines and traditions more than His Word.

 

[Davy]

Is it Christ in you discerning His own words to you, or is it your natural man-mind studying the doctrines of men? John 16:13 is the correct counsel for a "guide" into ALL truth.
Can you go it alone with just Him, or are you co-dependent on church doctrines to speak through?

Go it alone? That's what the charismatics try to do, and look where it got them...

 

[Davy]

"Stage play"???
As I had said. It was my personal testimony of how the Lord has worked within me, for His understanding on eschatology. It's still going on. And even now, it's even more pronounced.
1 Corinthians 2:12-16

Do you think that I would lie before God and men, When I know that I am not the only one who abides in John 16:13 for His Truth??

I think you would EASILY ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE DECEIVED, as you have done away from many Bible Scriptures.

It's not a new thing that many brethren choose to LISTEN TO MEN because of honoring the ways of this world and men's credentials, status, etc., instead of strictly heeding God's Word as written. Even ideas that we can just heed The Holy Spirit without the need of Bible study in God's Holy Writ is a sign of being deceived. The Holy Spirit will NEVER go against what is written in God's Holy Writ. And in order to understand God's Holy Writ, having The Holy Spirit of promise is REQUIRED.

Many brethren cut off The Holy Spirit as Guide when they STOP Bible study to show theirself approved of God. Those wind up following MEN and their traditions instead, and thus deserve to be deceived.

 

[Davy]

Matthew 25:8
Edit: the foolish virgins realized that the wise virgins had the "Spirit of truth" (oil), and now the foolish were humbly begging the wise to help them.
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That's pretty much an admission that you don't have a clue of what that Revelation 3:9 Message to the Church of Philadelphia means, and what timing it will happen. NONE of those of that "synagogue of Satan" come to worship at the feet of Christ's elect yet today!

And that is NOT a difficult idea to understand per that Revelation 3:9 Scripture.

But you show you don't care what that says, much as you also show about other Bible Scripture.

 

[Davy]

Jesus' comings/appearances are only three times!
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It is written that Lord Jesus comes ONLY TWO TIMES.

FIRST COMING:
Zech 9:9-10
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

SECOND COMING:
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
KJV

Christ's 1st coming was to die on the cross, becoming the one perfect sacrifice for all time.

Christ's 2nd coming is to begin His eternal reign over all nations and peoples as KING of kings and LORD of lords.

ANY IDEA of a 3rd coming is from MEN'S FALSE TRADITIONS.

 

[Davy]

I wouldn't waste my time looking forward to a fairy tale in this old earth, when we are specifically told to expect and look for a NEW Heaven and a NEW earth, when Jesus is revealed from Heaven in flaming fire, in all His Glory.

That in bold underline is the FALSE DOCTRINE OF MEN CALLED AMILLENNIALISM.

That theory from men's false traditions refused to recognize the future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect per the Revelation 20 Scripture, and from many other Scriptures in God's Word that point to that future reign over the unsaved.

Amillennialism also refuses to heed many Bible Scriptures that show the wicked still exist after Christ's future return to reign.

Amillennialism wrongly believes on the day of Christ's future coming, all the wicked are destroyed, hell, death, and Satan are destroyed, and we immediately go into God's new heavens and a new earth timing. They bypass the "thousand years" reign over the wicked which Apostle Paul showed in 1 Corinthians 15:23-28, and as shown in Zechariah 14:16-21, and per Revelation 20.

 

[Davy]

Previously, I provided the three scriptures about the "strong man" (satan) and also of He who was the "Stronger" (Jesus).

Jesus proved that He was the Stronger, by "the power of His Resurrection", which is what the "strong man" could not do. Hence, the beginning of God's Age of Grace, the figurative 1000 years.

Jesus successfully obtained the victory over death, and since then, He has been Coming in the Spirit to all of us, inviting us all to take part in His Resurrection, of which He Himself is the first. Revelation 3:20, Revelation 20:6.

You don't know what you're talking about, but only follow MEN'S FALSE DOCTRINES OF AMILLENNIALISM.

The future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect is LITERAL. It begins at His future return. And it is a reign over the UNSAVED NATIONS and WICKED.

The WICKED are NOT all destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming, as shown by the Zechariah 14:16-17, Revelation 3:9, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, and Revelation 20 Scriptures. Even Isaiah 24:22 reveals the wicked kings of the earth will still exist being locked up in Satan's pit prison, and "after many days shall be visited" (i.e., after the "thousand years" of Revelation 20).

Isa 24:21-23
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
KJV



Those above verses reveal the wicked kings of the earth STILL EXISTING while Jesus reigns from Mount Zion in Jerusalem, on earth. That totally... goes against what the doctrine of man called Amillennialism teaches! The wicked are supposed to ALL be destroyed on the day of Christ's future return per your false doctrine!

 

[Davy]

The entirety of KJV Revelation 20 is a condensed view of the Age of God's Grace, by Christ's Resurrection, to the 3rd Coming of Christ, depicting God ending His Age of Grace, showing the results.

That is GNOSTIC STYLE ALLEGORIZING of God's written Word, like what the Greek philosophers did which joined their false GNOSTICISM with certain Christian doctrine.

Bible prophesy is that Christ is to come ONLY 2 TIMES, per the Zechariah 9:9-10 Scripture.

The 1st coming was to die on the cross.

His 2nd coming yet future is to reign over the nations with the Psalms 2 promised "rod of iron". And amazing HOW Revelation 20 with the "thousand years" reign POINTS DIRECTLY TO THAT Psalms 2 Scripture!

You simply choose to deceive others here by pushing doctrines of men that are NOT written in God's Word.

 

[Davy]

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You WRONGLY have the "day of the Lord" timing within the time of "great tribulation".

The "day of the Lord" is the FINAL LAST DAY OF THIS PRESENT WORLD. Its events are what ENDS the "great tribulation" with Jesus' 2nd coming.

1. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 = Paul showed the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night", and it will accompany a "sudden destruction" upon the deceived who will be saying, "Peace and safety".

2. 2 Peter 3:10 = Peter proclaimed also the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night", and will include the melting of man's works off this earth by God's consuming fire. That means an immediate end of this present world, which of course means ending the time of "great tribulation". It means LAST DAY timing, not tribulation time.

3. Revelation 16:15 = Jesus Himself WARNING His Church that He comes "as a thief", and for us to keep our garments lest we walk naked and in shame (at His appearance).

All 3 of those examples are linked together, and show the "day of the Lord" will not happen until the VERY LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD WHEN JESUS RETURNS.

Thus you are instead heeding the doctrines of men on that matter instead of what The Bible actually teaches.

 

[Earburner]

That is GNOSTIC STYLE ALLEGORIZING of God's written Word, like what the Greek philosophers did which joined their false GNOSTICISM with certain Christian doctrine.


Bible prophesy is that Christ is to come ONLY 2 TIMES, per the Zechariah 9:9-10Scripturere.

The 1st coming was to die on the cross.

His 2nd coming yet future is to reign over the nations with the Psalms 2 promised "rod of iron". And amazing HOW Revelation 20 with the "thousand years" reign POINTS DIRECTLY TO THAT Psalms 2 Scripture!

You simply choose to deceive others here by pushing doctrines of men that are NOT written in God's Word.

For all of your posts above, that you recently wrote:
Then you are clueless and beside yourself, as to how to explain KJV Zechariah 14:6-8, through the filter of the false "pre-mil" doctrine, of which helps you to fabricate everything for all of your mis-understanding.

 

[Davy]

For all of your posts above, that you recently wrote:
Then you are clueless and beside yourself, as to how to explain KJV Zechariah 14:6-8, through the filter of the false "pre-mil" doctrine, of which helps you to fabricate everything for all of your mis-understanding.

Like I've already shown, what you do to God's Holy Writ is the same things that got Origen of Alexandria excommunicated from the early Church, wrongly allegorizing literal Truths in God's Word until it makes those Scriptures unrecognizable.