The Devil gets around the Law, by provoking God to do more than necessary (provoked?)

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Hi there,

So this was something of a mystery until now: the Devil gets around the Law, by provoking God to do more than necessary. It is not that the Devil has no purpose and is ready to lose - he is personally aware that God desires only to humble Himself, that everything that God creates, is an opportunity to destroy (especially those things that would otherwise have been taken up by men, to the Glory of God). The Devil realises, that he doesn't have to destroy God, but that if he destroys the reputation of God, then His Creation in Men will be scattered (and the Devil can feast, in flagrant disregard for the will of God). This is a spiritual function, and a spiritual snare. If in sin, we agree with the Devil, then we bring destruction on ourselves. The Devil does not care for this.

So what does the Devil care for? Only that the perfection of the Will of God that he has facetiously asked for, not be found out! If he can ask for the will of God in private, the Devil believes he can destroy the fruit of the Will of God openly. It is a facade, a travesty - the Devil literally does not care if the entire will of God is wasted, if he can have snared Creation on the basis of it, ignorance or not, then he is able to list away from the fear of God, to take as he likes. That is the end goal for the Devil, he does not care if the Will of God is destroyed at all - indeed, he will complain if the Will of God is unknown to him and make all sorts of reparations to get the Will of God back, precisely so that he can destroy and continue to destroy it.

Why don't we ask God to give the Devil hope of some other kind? God cannot lie. If God says something is in His Will, then whether the Devil advances it or the Devil destroys it, it is still the Will of God. This is a sobering thought. We cannot think of greater wisdom, than the Devil, as far as the World is concerned, for this is the World of the god of this World - the Devil has already asked for the World, we are prisoners of that wisdom, as long as we are in it (in the World). But are we better than the Devil's wisdom? Only if we surpass in the Will of God, to get beyond it. The Lord is the Door, we still have a chance to leave, with our hopes and sanity and spirit in tact. God will not give the Devil the perfection or wisdom of it, to the Devil to snare again those who are now beyond the World. Those beyond the World are at Peace.

Is it the case then, that some will escape and some will be snared? That is precisely the problem, that the Lord Jesus spoke about: "narrow is the path to life, and there are few that find it" (gospels, from memory). We must always be mindful that the Devil will not let us leave this World, without parting with the substance of the things we accrued while in it. The Devil is at peace with this, but only in part, because to be constantly against God, is hard work! The Day will come, when the Devil and the World will have to part with the things they accrued while together, only God in Faith will be able to tell whether He has received praise for what He has Created, in this life! That means no praising ourselves, but also, no way for anyone to steal our peace! There is a great lesson in this (it is hard to imagine the Lord being so worthy of Praise, but He is!).

I hope you have been encouraged by these thoughts.

God bless.
 

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The God of the Holy Bible is ALMIGHTY, and does as He pleases at ALL TIMES!

The devil is a created being, a fallen angel. He CANNOT "provoke" Almighty God to do anything!

It is very clear from the Book of Job, that the devil is under the Power and Authority of God, and cannot do anything without God allowing him!
 
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For example, the Holy Spirit might encourage people to remember Jesus, but the Devil will provoke God to encourage people's memories more than He needs to - as such people think they have a number of ways to remember God, but forget Him (because they see themselves as Gods). The only way to combat this, is to confess that you do not remember as you should. Thus, the will of God is done, because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit, some remembering this, some remembering that. Being in agreement then, the spirit of God is not maligned the way it would be, if the Devil could simply flout what God genuinely remembers.
 

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I don't believe mans jargon is relatable to the spiritual realm.
The enemy can't provoke, as we know its meaning, the Father.

He can only obey God's plan as our adversary.
 
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this is UNBIBLICAL nonsense!

Can you share ONE verse from the Holy Bible that says anything of what you are saying here?
"A slave does not abide in his master's house forever, but a son does"

"The Devil is a slave to sin"

If the Sons are encouraged to remember the Lord together, the Devil will seek to be a slave to removing that memory.

If then, the Sons resist the Devil's forgetfulness, the Devil will abandon his territory to them (and so the Sons will begin to remember of their own accord)
 

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"A slave does not abide in his master's house forever, but a son does"

"The Devil is a slave to sin"

If the Sons are encouraged to remember the Lord together, the Devil will seek to be a slave to removing that memory.

If then, the Sons resist the Devil's forgetfulness, the Devil will abandon his territory to them (and so the Sons will begin to remember of their own accord)

The devil CANNOT "provoke" God! Period. This language is NOT used in any of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible. and you should stop saying this
 

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"A slave does not abide in his master's house forever, but a son does"

"The Devil is a slave to sin"

If the Sons are encouraged to remember the Lord together, the Devil will seek to be a slave to removing that memory.

If then, the Sons resist the Devil's forgetfulness, the Devil will abandon his territory to them (and so the Sons will begin to remember of their own accord)
Where do we find the last two paragraphs in the Bible?
 

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The devil CANNOT "provoke" God! Period. This language is NOT used in any of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible. and you should stop saying this
The Devil provoked God, in Job. Judas kissed Jesus, in Satan.

I didn't say the Devil was successful in provoking God, just that God responds with perfection.

EDIT: Also, the Devil is called 'the accuser of the brethren', how can he accuse the brethren without provoking God?
 
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The Devil provoked God, in Job. Judas kissed Jesus, in Satan.

I didn't say the Devil was successful in provoking God, just that God responds with perfection.

EDIT: Also, the Devil is called 'the accuser of the brethren', how can he accuse the brethren without provoking God?

the devil "provoked" JOB to rebel against the Lord, and NOT the Lord Himself! Get your facts right from the Holy Bible, and NOT your personal views!

The same is with Judas, again the devil "entered Judas", and used him to betray Jesus! the devil did NOT "provoke" Jesus.
 

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Hi there,

So this was something of a mystery until now: the Devil gets around the Law, by provoking God to do more than necessary. It is not that the Devil has no purpose and is ready to lose - he is personally aware that God desires only to humble Himself, that everything that God creates, is an opportunity to destroy (especially those things that would otherwise have been taken up by men, to the Glory of God). The Devil realises, that he doesn't have to destroy God, but that if he destroys the reputation of God, then His Creation in Men will be scattered (and the Devil can feast, in flagrant disregard for the will of God). This is a spiritual function, and a spiritual snare. If in sin, we agree with the Devil, then we bring destruction on ourselves. The Devil does not care for this.

So what does the Devil care for? Only that the perfection of the Will of God that he has facetiously asked for, not be found out! If he can ask for the will of God in private, the Devil believes he can destroy the fruit of the Will of God openly. It is a facade, a travesty - the Devil literally does not care if the entire will of God is wasted, if he can have snared Creation on the basis of it, ignorance or not, then he is able to list away from the fear of God, to take as he likes. That is the end goal for the Devil, he does not care if the Will of God is destroyed at all - indeed, he will complain if the Will of God is unknown to him and make all sorts of reparations to get the Will of God back, precisely so that he can destroy and continue to destroy it.

Why don't we ask God to give the Devil hope of some other kind? God cannot lie. If God says something is in His Will, then whether the Devil advances it or the Devil destroys it, it is still the Will of God. This is a sobering thought. We cannot think of greater wisdom, than the Devil, as far as the World is concerned, for this is the World of the god of this World - the Devil has already asked for the World, we are prisoners of that wisdom, as long as we are in it (in the World). But are we better than the Devil's wisdom? Only if we surpass in the Will of God, to get beyond it. The Lord is the Door, we still have a chance to leave, with our hopes and sanity and spirit in tact. God will not give the Devil the perfection or wisdom of it, to the Devil to snare again those who are now beyond the World. Those beyond the World are at Peace.

Is it the case then, that some will escape and some will be snared? That is precisely the problem, that the Lord Jesus spoke about: "narrow is the path to life, and there are few that find it" (gospels, from memory). We must always be mindful that the Devil will not let us leave this World, without parting with the substance of the things we accrued while in it. The Devil is at peace with this, but only in part, because to be constantly against God, is hard work! The Day will come, when the Devil and the World will have to part with the things they accrued while together, only God in Faith will be able to tell whether He has received praise for what He has Created, in this life! That means no praising ourselves, but also, no way for anyone to steal our peace! There is a great lesson in this (it is hard to imagine the Lord being so worthy of Praise, but He is!).

I hope you have been encouraged by these thoughts.

God bless.
Better to stick to Scripture:

(Mat 4:3) The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

(1Th 3:5) For this reason, when I could bear it no longer, I sent to find out about your faith, for fear that the tempter had somehow tempted you and caused our labor to be in vain.

(Luk 22:31) And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has desired you, that he may sift you as wheat.
 

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Gentiles is what we are considering the Law was never given to us.

Pre-Law,
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Since Yeshua, came and his death, and resurrection and fulfilling the Law. Satan and his works were destroyed, and eventually in the time span of 40 years since Jesus and his promise to come back to get the bride of Christ, also was the Devil done away with forever having his head crushed in completely done away with.

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As human beings though Satan has been done away with. Remnants remain, people being adversity, darkness being adversity, spiritual wickedness in high places, and rulers of darkness.

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Not only that our own thoughts.
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Satan has never been able to do anything outside the Parameters of God, though he may have tried, he was defeated is no longer able to blame anyone today, especially with Yeshua having victory, human beings will suffer through difficult times of their own mind, and sometimes other people, but to look to Yahava, and to look towards his Son is very much needed in eating and feeding oneself on the spiritual matters of God and his goodness which leads to a change of mind, and walking into a new life in Christ, if a person so chooses to follow after Jesus going to the cross, dying, being buried, and raising again to newness of life being adopted into the spiritual heavenly Kingdom.
 

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Gentiles is what we are considering the Law was never given to us.

Pre-Law,
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Since Yeshua, came and his death, and resurrection and fulfilling the Law. Satan and his works were destroyed, and eventually in the time span of 40 years since Jesus and his promise to come back to get the bride of Christ, also was the Devil done away with forever having his head crushed in completely done away with.

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As human beings though Satan has been done away with. Remnants remain, people being adversity, darkness being adversity, spiritual wickedness in high places, and rulers of darkness.

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Not only that our own thoughts.
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Satan has never been able to do anything outside the Parameters of God, though he may have tried, he was defeated is no longer able to blame anyone today, especially with Yeshua having victory, human beings will suffer through difficult times of their own mind, and sometimes other people, but to look to Yahava, and to look towards his Son is very much needed in eating and feeding oneself on the spiritual matters of God and his goodness which leads to a change of mind, and walking into a new life in Christ, if a person so chooses to follow after Jesus going to the cross, dying, being buried, and raising again to newness of life being adopted into the spiritual heavenly Kingdom.
There was a dream that was had last night, I was standing in a building while waiting for people to come and show up. A man showed up and asked "do you need any help." I started looking up at the clouds in the sky it was dusk, and a storm was rolling in but you could still see a small portion of the sun. Told the man, "Nah I got it." Turned around as the person drove off and entered the building and the storm was getting stronger and bits of rain started pattering on the tin roof. A stack of checks was on the table, I had to hand them all out. For some reason there was a load of money in my own hand, and right as I started putting it to drawer, people started coming into the building. The next thing that happen was 4 men came up behind me, and started to try to take it. I told them "Hey you guys need to go over there and sit on the couch, and wait." As I shut the money in the drawer, there was a bunch of people in there. Grabbing at where the checks where, they were gone. I went back and looked in the drawer and the money was gone. I turned around and said something to them, and threw over the table. That was the dream... idk felt like sharing it, it was really threatening when those 4 guys started coming up behind me, I looked at them and they all seemed to non-caring and drugged out. The woman who wanted her check first, started wigging out on me cause they were now stolen.


Anyway, thank you for reading, been awhile since having a very vivid dream.
 

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Gentiles is what we are considering the Law was never given to us.

Pre-Law,
View attachment 36499

Since Yeshua, came and his death, and resurrection and fulfilling the Law. Satan and his works were destroyed, and eventually in the time span of 40 years since Jesus and his promise to come back to get the bride of Christ, also was the Devil done away with forever having his head crushed in completely done away with.

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As human beings though Satan has been done away with. Remnants remain, people being adversity, darkness being adversity, spiritual wickedness in high places, and rulers of darkness.

View attachment 36501
Not only that our own thoughts.
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Satan has never been able to do anything outside the Parameters of God, though he may have tried, he was defeated is no longer able to blame anyone today, especially with Yeshua having victory, human beings will suffer through difficult times of their own mind, and sometimes other people, but to look to Yahava, and to look towards his Son is very much needed in eating and feeding oneself on the spiritual matters of God and his goodness which leads to a change of mind, and walking into a new life in Christ, if a person so chooses to follow after Jesus going to the cross, dying, being buried, and raising again to newness of life being adopted into the spiritual heavenly Kingdom.
1 Peter 5 tells us Satan and his agenda are alive and well in this world.
 
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1 Peter 5 tells us Satan and his agenda are alive and well in this world.
Sure does, Revelation also shares the defeat of Satan. It's up to people to decide what they will believe, love to you. :) I believe personally we wrestle around with darkness these days compared to most, and that is totally subjective and your right to reject.
 
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