The devil's lie in Christian music

[VictoryinJesus]

It is the video that I posted. I agree it is full of heresy. You must have missed the one from MatthewG which I objected to.

This is what makes me question Christianity and the message it claims. To me this is postering where you might as well put on a robe and become a judge. full of self righteousness in claiming you are a better judge “I object!” so what when with the same measure you judge, you will also be judged?

 

[Grailhunter]

I don't think anyone in this thread thinks we shouldn't sing praises to the Lord. But what passes as such these days is, I think, far from actual praise of the Lord.

Of course largely that would be a matter of opinion. You can look at the thread Daily Prayer and see my opinion…..just one opinion of many. Granted common sense and decency can get lost now a days.

But to make the statement “The devils lie in Christian music” is false and insulting.

 

[Grailhunter]

This is what makes me question Christianity and the message it claims. To me this is postering where you might as well put on a robe and become a judge. full of self righteousness in claiming you are a better judge “I object!” so what when with the same measure you judge, you will also be judged?

This is what makes me question Christianity and the message it claims.
I do not want to hear that from you....You know better.
Salutations Victory.....I love you,

 

[marks]

How does a song articulating the sorts prayers the singer will make for others constitute worship and praise of God?

You are right, the song is all about "me".

I like the songs that sing about how great God is, and what declare His divine attributes.

Immortal Eternal God Only Wise, the first example that comes to mind.

Much love!

 

[Hepzibah]

This is what makes me question Christianity and the message it claims. To me this is postering where you might as well put on a robe and become a judge. full of self righteousness in claiming you are a better judge “I object!” so what when with the same measure you judge, you will also be judged?

I send that right back at you.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I send that right back at you.

I’ll receive it, considering us equally in need of mercy so no flesh can boast.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This is what makes me question Christianity and the message it claims.
I do not want to hear that from you....You know better.
Salutations Victory.....I love you,

I’m not sure I know better. Definitely having a Faith failure here. I’m not sure who does evil…I’m not sure who the verses are condemning: the religious or those cast out as lacking what is needed.

 

[DuckieLady]

I am amazed that Christians would even look at another Christians worship and say, "You're doing it wrong and I don't like the lyrics," as if the praise were offered to you.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I am amazed that Christians would even look at another Christians worship and say, "You're doing it wrong and I don't like the lyrics," as if the praise were offered to you.

I am amazed that Christians would ignore the warnings in God's Word that false teaching would be so prevalent in the end times. Amazing!

 

[DuckieLady]

I am amazed that Christians would ignore the warnings in God's Word that false teaching would be so prevalent in the end times. Amazing!

Yeah it's almost like I would never know anything about that and never been through anything at all.

Maybe you should educate me

Crazy.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Yeah it's almost like I would never know anything about that and never been through anything at all.

Maybe you should educate me

Crazy.

I'm not the one inferring that all worship should be accepted as being actual Christian worship just because they "claim" to be Christian.

Crazy!

 

[Grailhunter]

I’m not sure I know better. Definitely having a Faith failure here. I’m not sure who does evil…I’m not sure who the verses are condemning: the religious or those cast out as lacking what is needed.

Go back to the Bible.
It is not a cliché. Go get a cup of coffee.
The Catholic Church did not allow its congregations to have Bibles and the ones the Church had were written in Latin.
People tried to get handwritten Bibles to people but the Catholic Church hunted them down and killed them.

But then a German named Johannes Gutenberg invented the Gutenberg press in 1450. After that as far as Bibles, the cat was out of the bag so to speak. Now the Bibles in this period did not have accurate translations….The Britches Bible…the Geneva Bible and the Adulterer' Bible….named after a queer King….the King James Version of the Bible.

So the first Protestant denomination Lutherans teachings, the actual denomination forms several years later. With Bibles in hand more denomination formed….Christian scholarship would not occur for three centurys, so hundreds and then thousands of denominations are formed by uneducated people with faulty Bible translations until today we have over 30,000 Protestant denominations.

Now as Christianity moved along people started coming up with ways to show how holy they were, whether it was classifying sex as sinful and living a celibate life. And then they started coming up with man-made sins….I am holier than you because I do not have sex or drink. I am holier than you because our women do not cut their hair, or wear bikinis or pants or watch TV or play Lotto. The holier than thou man-made sins number over a hundred.

This is a big sin in itself because they were playing God and those that perpetuate these man-made sins are also sinning because as Paul said anyone that preaches a different Gospel is cursed. False teaching cause sin in others because they condemn other using man-made sins. And turn people away from Christianity using man-made sins.

So go back to the Bible….get a good Bible….NASB or NIV or ESV Bible. Learn from them what are real sins. For example Weddings are great and I highly recommend them. But we cannot condemn a monogmous couple because the Bible does not require a Wedding Ceremony to be married.

Go back to the Bible and learn the truth. And find a good church with a good spirit and worship and fellowship.

 

[DuckieLady]

I'm not the one inferring that all worship should be accepted as being actual Christian worship just because they "claim" to be Christian.

Crazy!

That's a generalization. We already know that Christian music vs Christian worship are two individual things.

Not you, or any person here, can know the heart and efforts of a person from a small detail. You see on the ground at eye level, but God holds the bird's eye view.

Of course, there are some things out there that are not edifying or maybe you may see them as being "too simplistic", "too repetitive", or not theological enough - but people are coming to him from the heart and that is something God cares about. Ask Him yourself.

I would not step in front of a child offering a gift to the king at the throne and try to answer for Him, when I had no idea what was coming from the heart.


"But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents."

 

[Dash RipRock]

Not you, or any person here, can know the heart and efforts of a person from a small detail.

Why not accept what the Lord says in His Word first and foremost and compare what others say to what God says in order to understand who is in line with what God says verses who is in opposition to what God says?

In the end this is how the Lord is going to judge people and their works is based on whether they lived in agreement with Him or in opposition to Him.

Those not aware of the difference aren't being led by the Holy Spirit of the Jesus Christ of the Bible and instead are being led by an imposter who claims all people that claim to be Christians actually are even those who teach and worship in opposition to the knowledge of the Lord found in scripture.

Feel free to play like we cannot know the difference between being in agreement with the Lord verses being in opposition to the Lord.

That's keeping the door open for the old devil to get in.

 

[DuckieLady]

Why not accept what the Lord says in His Word first and foremost and compare what others say to what God says in order to understand who is in line with what God says verses who is in opposition to what God says?

In the end this is how the Lord is going to judge people and their works is based on whether they lived in agreement with Him or in opposition to Him.

Those not aware of the difference aren't being led by the Holy Spirit of the Jesus Christ of the Bible and instead are being led by an imposter who claims all people that claim to be Christians actually are even those who teach and worship in opposition to the knowledge of the Lord found in scripture.

Feel free to play like we cannot know the difference between being in agreement with the Lord verses being in opposition to the Lord.

That's keeping the door open for the old devil to get in.

Which song are you talking about?

If it's the "all about me" thing, doesn't line up with a major part of David in Psalms. Just read Psalm 26.

It's not right to take what's not yours.

 

[Behold]

How does a song articulating the sorts prayers the singer will make for others constitute worship and praise of God?

The song is "articulating praise" because the lyrics are giving God all the Credit for the Prayer being answered.
She's not taking the credit.

Yes, it's appropriate to pray to God about our needs. But God says repeatedly to us in His word that our willful sin plugs up His ears to our prayers.

Post that NT verse, that says God wont hear the Prayers of a born again Christian.

Well, let's see, then: In the first stanza, personal pronouns (I, you, my, I'll) are used ten times. "God" and "Jesus" appear once each.

The song is a universal prayer for others.
Its not a theology lesson.

Who's in view in the chorus? God? Nope. "I pray (x4)" this, that and the other over and for you,

The song is lyrically, praying for others.
Its not a theology lesson. @Kokyu

And... the chorus again, which hold some ideas that I wonder about. What sort of healing does God want for His children? Not physical, first of all, that's for sure.

"Jesus came to heal the broken hearted".

Also, most Prayers offered in a real Church, are for the sick or for the lost.

So, again, this song is not a Theology Lesson....its a Prayer, set to music.

Come believe and receive what, exactly?

She names the "what".
= The various healings.

Jesus is not just our sin bearer, but He's also, "by Jesus stripes we were healed"....
The lyrics in the song, understand this.......and so the prayer song is based on Jesus who heals, God who heals, God and Jesus who deliver.

If you want to find the exact same situation in the NT, tho its not being SUNG........then read what Paul says to Gaus.

"Beloved, Gaius , I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth," """

See that? So, if you set that to music..... then its the same as the song in the video., and neither Katy nor Paul are "taking credit" for anything. They are giving Credit, to the one who will Answer the Prayer.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Go back to the Bible.
It is not a cliché. Go get a cup of coffee.
The Catholic Church did not allow its congregations to have Bibles and the ones the Church had were written in Latin.
People tried to get handwritten Bibles to people but the Catholic Church hunted them down and killed them.

But then a German named Johannes Gutenberg invented the Gutenberg press in 1450. After that as far as Bibles, the cat was out of the bag so to speak. Now the Bibles in this period did not have accurate translations….The Britches Bible…the Geneva Bible and the Adulterer' Bible….named after a queer King….the King James Version of the Bible.

So the first Protestant denomination Lutherans teachings, the actual denomination forms several years later. With Bibles in hand more denomination formed….Christian scholarship would not occur for three centurys, so hundreds and then thousands of denominations are formed by uneducated people with faulty Bible translations until today we have over 30,000 Protestant denominations.

Now as Christianity moved along people started coming up with ways to show how holy they were, whether it was classifying sex as sinful and living a celibate life. And then they started coming up with man-made sins….I am holier than you because I do not have sex or drink. I am holier than you because our women do not cut their hair, or wear bikinis or pants or watch TV or play Lotto. The holier than thou man-made sins number over a hundred.

This is a big sin in itself because they were playing God and those that perpetuate these man-made sins are also sinning because as Paul said anyone that preaches a different Gospel is cursed. False teaching cause sin in others because they condemn other using man-made sins. And turn people away from Christianity using man-made sins.

So go back to the Bible….get a good Bible….NASB or NIV or ESV Bible. Learn from them what are real sins. For example Weddings are great and I highly recommend them. But we cannot condemn a monogmous couple because the Bible does not require a Wedding Ceremony to be married.

Go back to the Bible and learn the truth. And find a good church with a good spirit and worship and fellowship.

My mom is 95. She is in the nursing home now. But she has told me many things about the past. she talked about how blacks were not allowed in to churches and how my uncle had his house windows broken out by people throwing rocks at them…just because he was a preacher of a church who allowed blacks into his church. My mom tells about her aunt who judged any woman who didn’t wear clothing that covered the entire arms and legs down to your ankles and necklines that hid the neck…anyone who didn’t do the same dress code, would never amount to anything. The craziest most interesting one I’ve heard about the past is how women never cut their hair. it was praised for a woman to have hair never cut. What is interesting is some women who were poor would cut their hair to sell their hair to the rich, because long hair was a sought after thing. It’s very telling to me that the poor sold their hair to the rich. it’s been a long history of so much of what is said or promoted as to be holy. I’m sure I would be shocked and that is just the tip of all that has been promoted as what we must do to please God.

 

[MatthewG]

I am amazed that Christians would even look at another Christians worship and say, "You're doing it wrong and I don't like the lyrics," as if the praise were offered to you.

Most Christian, no all of the Christian music, is secular which causes people too have a feeling... it doesn't really produce any spiritual growth, what does though is actually reading the bible. I was thinking earlier, a person I use to watch basically said this.

"If you know how to love properly, you don't even need the bible anymore." I would agree.

Christian (Secular) Music, does nothing for the hearer most of the time.

It just sucks for people who are misaligned and also the CHARLATANS out there making a mockery out what is truth founded in the bible.
Fake miracles, bogus stories of false hope, on and on and on... as though loving your neighbor is not even the full gospel...

This is a very good video to check out personally as I took a moment to do so last night.

This was uploaded 24 hours ago.

Amazing, humans, us, that God loves.

 

[Behold]

It just sucks for people who are misaligned and also the CHARLATANS out there making a mockery out what is truth founded in the bible.

You forgot to mention "Preterism" """""taught by Charlatans that make a mockery out of the Truth found in the bible'

 

[MatthewG]

I cuss too. In considering cussing. To me it’s not the words but the spirit behind to words that fly for me. When the f-word starts flying for me is when I’ve reached the edge and I’m spitting angry. When I have turned bitter. Either I’ve become frustrated and usually full of wrath. Point is I’m not so concerned that I said the words but that I escalated to a dark place inside. Where all control over what I say is gone. It’s not only the cuss words that come but also a condemning spirit comes up, where I do speak death.

I get it. Thank you for just being open and honest about it.