The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[reformed1689]

No - Sanctifying Grace is a BIBLICAL reality (1 Cor. 6:11, 2 Thess. 2:13).
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Sanctifying grace yes, but that doesn't make sanctification and grace synonymns.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sanctifying grace yes, but that doesn't make sanctification and grace synonymns.

That's like saying that money and wealth are not synonymous.
More of your Scriptural acrobatics . . .

 

[reformed1689]

That's like saying that money and wealth are not synonymous.
More of your Scriptural acrobatics . . .

Money and wealth AREN'T synonymous.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Money and wealth AREN'T synonymous.

They most certainly ARE synonymous.
A synonym is not necessarily an EXACT match - but so similar that it is virtually the same.

From Thesaurus .com:
Synonyms for wealth. abundance. affluence. cash. property. prosperity. revenue. riches. richness.

 

[reformed1689]

They most certainly ARE synonymous.
A synonym is not necessarily an EXACT match - but so similar that it is virtually the same.

From Thesaurus .com:
Synonyms for wealth. abundance. affluence. cash. property. prosperity. revenue. riches. richness.

Even still, sanctification and grace are not VIRTUALLY the same.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Even still, sanctification and grace are not VIRTUALLY the same.

Sanctifying grace.
Wealth and money.

Sanctification to wealth what grace is to money.
They are synonymous.

 

[reformed1689]

Sanctifying grace.
Wealth and money.

Sanctification to wealth what grace is to money.
They are synonymous.

No it's not.

Grace: Gracious or merciful behavior of a more powerful person toward another.
Sanctification: A process of purification to become holy.

Those are not the same thing.

 

[Taken]

2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.
Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

You can assume ...
I will trust scripture.

Scripture says nothing about "children", as you said.

Michal had a child and then Michal died on the day her child was born.

Let’s also examine Acts 2:34-35 (also see Psalm 110:1, Matt 22:44):
For David did not go up into heaven, but he himself said: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand UNTIL I make your enemies your footstool."'
Are we to surmise that Jesus will cease to sit at the right hand of the Father after his enemies are made his footstool?

You can assume.
I will trust Scripture.

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven and AFTER Gods enemies are made Gods footstool, Jesus SHALL return to Earth.

Deut. 34:6

states in NO uncertain terms that, when Moses died - God buried him:
He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab near Beth Peor, but no one knows his exact burial place UNTIL this very day.
Soooooo, did they find out where Moses was buried??

LOL...
The answer to your silly question...
IS...
No one knows where Moses is buried.

The problem here is that you ignorantly attempt to apply 21st century English to Hebrew and Greek from a culture thousands of years ago.

LOL...I trust Scripture..
Unlike you, who does not believe what it says, and despretatly tries to convince others they should believe your re-written versions and understanding.

Ding, Ding, Ding....your attempts are a fail.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Yes, everybody is aware of your Docetist Heresy and the fact that you reject Christ's Scripturally-revealed humanity (Heb. 2:18).
ALL of your fellow anti-Catholics havce abandoned you on this point because they are Christians - and this is an anti-Christian heresy.

LOL...

On par BOL...name call and make false accusations when no one falls for your adding to Scripture.

LOL...

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Sanctifying grace yes, but that doesn't make sanctification and grace synonymns.

He does NOT comprehend what words mean.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

He does NOT comprehend what words mean.

Glory to God,
Taken

No I think he does, he just can't admit what things mean because it tears his precious church doctrine apart.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...
On par BOL...name call and make false accusations when no one falls for your adding to Scripture.

LOL...
Glory to God,
Taken

I didn't "call" you anything. I stated a fact:
Your rejection of Christ's humanity is known as the heresy of "Docetism" - plain and simple.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You can assume ...
I will trust scripture.

Scripture says nothing about "children", as you said.

Michal had a child and then Michal died on the day her child was born.

Sooooooo, when Scripture doesn’t say that Mary had other children – why do YOU add to that by saying she DID??

You can assume.
I will trust Scripture.

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven and AFTER Gods enemies are made Gods footstool, Jesus SHALL return to Earth.

Ummmmm, that’s NOT what Psalm 110:1 & Acts 2:34-35 say. They say that He will remain at the Father’s right hand “UNTIL” His enemies are made His footstool.

LOL...
The answer to your silly question...
IS...
No one knows where Moses is buried.

Ummmmm, Deut. 34:6 states emphatically that nobody knows “UNTIL” this day.rely somebody know after, right?? Why is there no subsequent action in THIS case – but you insist that there MUST be one regarding the “until” in Matt. 1:25??

Can you say, "Hypocrisy"??

LOL...I trust Scripture..
Unlike you, who does not believe what it says, and despretatly tries to convince others they should believe your re-written versions and understanding.

Ding, Ding, Ding....your attempts are a fail.

Glory to God,
Taken

ALL of the above are textbook examples of how anti-Catholics twist the Scriptures to your own destruction (2 Pet. 3:16) when it comes to the doctrines you reject.

 

[BreadOfLife]

He does NOT comprehend what words mean.

Glory to God,
Taken

No I think he does, he just can't admit what things mean because it tears his precious church doctrine apart.

That’s because you don’t understand what the Church is.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus gave His Church SUPREME earthly Authority – t hat WHATEVER it bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

When you understand this Biblical truth – you will no longer mock or denigrate the Authority of Christ’s Church . . .

 

[Taken]

I didn't "call" you anything. I stated a fact:

Yes you call names. So what?

Your

rejection of Christ's humanity

To be CLEAR:
HUMAN...is a term BY earthy men to distinguish a man KIND of being from an animal KIND of being, in which BOTH occupy the Earth.

To be CLEAR:
SCRIPTURE...distinguishes KINDS of things:
By Where they ORIGINATE.

Earthly things, called Terrrestrial originate, FROM OUT OF the Dust of the Earth.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground ...

1 Cor 15
[40] There bodies Terrestrial:


Heavenly things, called Celestial that originate,
FROM OUT OF the Heavens.
1 Co 15
[40] There are ... celestial bodies..

And there IS GOD, the Creator of All things. He without beginning or ending, and HIS WORD that comes FORTH OUT from God.

John 16
JESUS SPEAKING...
[27]... I came out from God.

It matters not to me that you are limited to understanding the spiritual knowledge of God, by your mindful understanding of Scriptural knowledge.

My Lord God Almighty, IS NOT His own creation of earthly men.

is known as the heresy of "Docetism" - plain and simple.

And? So what?

You teaching that God "IS" a Human, is turning the Truth INTO a Lie.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

And

That’s because you don’t understand what the Church is.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .

- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus gave His Church SUPREME earthly Authority – t hat WHATEVER it bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

When you understand this Biblical truth – you will no longer mock or denigrate the Authority of Christ’s Church . . .

And the broken record continues.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes you call names. So what?



To be CLEAR:
HUMAN...is a term BY earthy men to distinguish a man KIND of being from an animal KIND of being, in which BOTH occupy the Earth.

To be CLEAR:
SCRIPTURE...distinguishes KINDS of things:
By Where they ORIGINATE.

Earthly things, called Terrrestrial originate, FROM OUT OF the Dust of the Earth.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground ...

1 Cor 15
[40] There bodies Terrestrial:
Heavenly things, called Celestial that originate,
FROM OUT OF the Heavens.
1 Co 15
[40] There are ... celestial bodies..

And there IS GOD, the Creator of All things. He without beginning or ending, and HIS WORD that comes FORTH OUT from God.

John 16
JESUS SPEAKING...
[27]... I came out from God.

It matters not to me that you are limited to understanding the spiritual knowledge of God, by your mindful understanding of Scriptural knowledge.

My Lord God Almighty, IS NOT His own creation of earthly men.



And? So what?

You teaching that God "IS" a Human, is turning the Truth INTO a Lie.

Glory to God,
Taken

As I’ve admonished you before – your cherry-picking of Scripture only leads to perversion of doctrine.

You keep using 1 Cor. 15:40 as “proof” that Jesus was not human because you won’t read it in its proper CONTEXT.

Here is it in its full context. Paul is talking about Christ’s RESURRECTED, GLORIFIED BODY.
He ends by saying that WE will also have a glorified body – just like that of Jesus:

1 Cor. 15:35-49
But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
SO WILL IT BE WITH THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. THE BODY THAT IS SOWN IS PERISHABLE, IT IS RAISED IMPERISHABLE; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, SO SHALL WE BEAR THE IMAGE OF THE HEAVENLY MAN.

There you have it - in its proper context.
YOUR rejection of Christ’s humanity is heresy. - and that's why your fellow anti-Catholics have abandoned you on this point . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

And

And the broken record continues.

And yet, NO Scriptural response to a Scriptural lesson on the Church.

Nice job . . .

 

[reformed1689]

And yet, NO Scriptural response to a Scriptural lesson on the Church.

Nice job . . .

No you gave me a Catholic lessson on the church, not a Scriptural lesson.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No you gave me a Catholic lessson on the church, not a Scriptural lesson.

Then, REFUTE the verses I presented.